• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 02:15
CEST 08:15
KST 15:15
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: Within Reach5[ASL22] Ro8 Preview: In A Tizzy11[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Holy Diver5[ASL22] Ro16 Preview: Rough Waters10[ASL22] Ro24 Preview: Siren's Call8
Community News
Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double2Weekly Cups (Sep 13-20): herO scores triple3BSL Season 2313Weekly Cups (Sep 7-12): SHIN, ByuN, MaxPax double down1StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon111
StarCraft 2
General
StarCraft open world shooter announced at BlizzCon Weekly Cups (Sept 21-27): herO and ByuN double Recent Patches and the Future Stellar Fest 1 Replay Pack Balance hotfix patch 5.0.16b (July 16)
Tourneys
Stellar Fest TWO the Moon (Dec 16-20) 2026 GSTL Grand Finals SC2 INu's Battles#21 [ 3-Days tournament ] ScienceCraft (October 24-25) - Live Event Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
[H] ZvP Mid-Late Game: Stalkers Collossi HT
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Sweltering Sands [M] (2) Frigid Storage
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 545 And Drops and Rifts Mutation # 544 Double Trouble Mutation # 543 Enhanced Defenses
Brood War
General
Where can I find Flash replays that work? Bot on ladder a Announcement on the JEDI Ringing Official StarCraft website teases new content ahead of BlizzCon? BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[ASL22] Ro8 Day 3 [ASL22] Ro8 Day 4 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL22] Ro8 Day 2
Strategy
Cliff Jump Revisited (1 in a 1000 strategy) Replay Review Process - What do you do? Simple Questions, Simple Answers Odyssey Mineral Stack Saturation
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Total Annihilation Zero Nintendo Switch Thread
Dota 2
Dota 2 Champions League Season 3 Begins April 25! Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
[TL LoL EUW IHs] Teemo shall perish
Heroes of the Storm
Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine All you football fans (soccer)! Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread
Fan Clubs
MarineLorD Fan Club The Creator Fan Club The ShoWTimE Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Diablo Animated Series on Netflix
Sports
Football (Soccer) Thread MLB/Baseball 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
Recent Gifted Posts
Blogs
Violent-Cooperative Play and…
TrAiDoS
38 yo Retired SWE loo…
PurE)Rabbit-SF
Can Bots Beat Pros?? Starcr…
namkraft
[meme] I finally understa…
LUCKY_NOOB
Regacy Esports:Our Goa…
regacyesports
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 7913 users

Patch 7 Notes - Page 22

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 32 Next All
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
March 30 2010 23:30 GMT
#421
Protoss not loved? Protoss is Blizzards lovechild.. always been
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
March 30 2010 23:30 GMT
#422
Blizzard really hates protoss. seriously when the fuck are they going to stop nerfing toss and give them a buff? when their win rate gets down to 25%? 40% pre-patch and probably going to drop pretty heavily after this one...
Terran gets buffed across the board

On March 31 2010 04:41 eXigent. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 04:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On March 31 2010 04:21 MorroW wrote:
awesome patch! liked every single thing about it


I hope you are joking

The storm nerf is not really that big, its radius decreases slightly.


Toss gets a ~40% decrease in the power of one of its most vital abilities (for those of you who are mathematically challenged, 25% decrease in radius=43.75% decrease in area) 1.5^2=2.25 vs 2^2=4
in exchange, they get a 20% buff in cannon HP...

Zerg gets a 25% nerf to the immediate cost of spores, a 25% damage buff to spines(vs non armored) AND a 27% attack rate increase.
Roach and broodlord nerf are nice, but those only apply post-hive tech, which isnt really the problem.
KOFgokuon
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States14912 Posts
March 30 2010 23:31 GMT
#423
ah fml banshees even stronger
DM20
Profile Joined September 2008
Canada544 Posts
March 30 2010 23:33 GMT
#424
On March 31 2010 08:30 Chen wrote:
Blizzard really hates protoss. seriously when the fuck are they going to stop nerfing toss and give them a buff? when their win rate gets down to 25%? 40% pre-patch and probably going to drop pretty heavily after this one...
Terran gets buffed across the board

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 04:41 eXigent. wrote:
On March 31 2010 04:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On March 31 2010 04:21 MorroW wrote:
awesome patch! liked every single thing about it


I hope you are joking

The storm nerf is not really that big, its radius decreases slightly.


Toss gets a ~40% decrease in the power of one of its most vital abilities (for those of you who are mathematically challenged, 25% decrease in radius=43.75% decrease in area) 1.5^2=2.25 vs 2^2=4
in exchange, they get a 20% buff in cannon HP...

Zerg gets a 25% nerf to the immediate cost of spores, a 25% damage buff to spines(vs non armored) AND a 27% attack rate increase.
Roach and broodlord nerf are nice, but those only apply post-hive tech, which isnt really the problem.


with the way units clump storm needed a nerf.
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
March 30 2010 23:34 GMT
#425
Pretty good changes overall but i think the storm radius decrease might be a bit too much. The difference is really huge xd
Revolutionist fan
Archerofaiur
Profile Joined August 2008
United States4101 Posts
March 30 2010 23:35 GMT
#426
Blizzard wants to make the player base more proportional with the lore. They will continue to nerf Protoss until only a couple hundred survivers huddle in some dark corner of BNET muttering to themselves about artifacts of salvation.
http://sclegacy.com/news/28-scl/250-starcraftlegacy-macro-theorycrafting-contest-winners
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
March 30 2010 23:35 GMT
#427
On March 31 2010 08:29 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 08:21 Knutzi wrote:
what people comparing the ghost nerf to the templar nerf is forgetting that the ghost also got a very nice reduction in gas cost and that templars is needed in 2 matchups, not just 1


The other thing is, the fact the Templars storm obliterated any M&M army incredibly quickly with the size it was at. It was making Bio almost unbearable late game when Protoss have a decent number of templers and you can't get a nice EMP on them all.

It's more a balancing thing, means that two templars on their own can't take out an entire army within like two storms each.


so terran can't mix their army composition up with mech? i mean terran bio is very mobile.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Kaniol
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Poland5551 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 23:38:13
March 30 2010 23:37 GMT
#428
On March 31 2010 08:30 Chen wrote:
Blizzard really hates protoss. seriously when the fuck are they going to stop nerfing toss and give them a buff? when their win rate gets down to 25%? 40% pre-patch and probably going to drop pretty heavily after this one...
Terran gets buffed across the board

Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 04:41 eXigent. wrote:
On March 31 2010 04:22 CharlieMurphy wrote:
On March 31 2010 04:21 MorroW wrote:
awesome patch! liked every single thing about it


I hope you are joking

The storm nerf is not really that big, its radius decreases slightly.


Toss gets a ~40% decrease in the power of one of its most vital abilities (for those of you who are mathematically challenged, 25% decrease in radius=43.75% decrease in area) 1.5^2=2.25 vs 2^2=4
in exchange, they get a 20% buff in cannon HP...

Zerg gets a 25% nerf to the immediate cost of spores, a 25% damage buff to spines(vs non armored) AND a 27% attack rate increase.
Roach and broodlord nerf are nice, but those only apply post-hive tech, which isnt really the problem.

Wrong, blizz loved protoss so much that they made them so powerful that they now need to nerf them in order to make balanced

"OMG STORMS HAVE A CHANCE TO NO LONGER BE OP, OMG ((("
Antisocialmunky
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5913 Posts
March 30 2010 23:37 GMT
#429
On March 31 2010 08:29 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 08:21 Knutzi wrote:
what people comparing the ghost nerf to the templar nerf is forgetting that the ghost also got a very nice reduction in gas cost and that templars is needed in 2 matchups, not just 1


The other thing is, the fact the Templars storm obliterated any M&M army incredibly quickly with the size it was at. It was making Bio almost unbearable late game when Protoss have a decent number of templers and you can't get a nice EMP on them all.

It's more a balancing thing, means that two templars on their own can't take out an entire army within like two storms each.


Unless you're TLO, then you go MM -> Reapers -> Tanks -> Breaking the Stream -> BCs. *-*

I rather would have seen reduced DPS, increased duration like the old storm.
[゚n゚] SSSSssssssSSsss ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Marine/Raven Guide:http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=163605
hellitsaboutme
Profile Joined March 2010
Singapore118 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 23:42:58
March 30 2010 23:41 GMT
#430
The thing I don't like about this patch that terrans will spam maradeurs even more. They are very cost effective if not countered by storms. And storms got nerfed.

This is kinda boring when you see whole a lot of barracks and maradeurs -_-
lu_cid
Profile Joined April 2008
United States428 Posts
March 30 2010 23:43 GMT
#431
I don't agree with the banshee hp, I think they were already plenty strong. The storm nerf was much needed though. It was just too insanely powerful against terran in late game. I have been waiting for that one for a while.
creepcolony
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany362 Posts
March 30 2010 23:45 GMT
#432
Nice changes to static defense. But im not sure about the other ones.

Thors and turrets now probably will rape mutalisk harass..but i didnt played yet, but it reads awful as a Z player.

The roach upgrade is kinda not usable any more. I mean its tier 3 and soo weak now..
Shiladie
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada1631 Posts
March 30 2010 23:45 GMT
#433
Protoss need to stop bitching, I would be suprised if the actual win-rates have ever been anything outside of a 5% range of 50% for any race the entire beta, post the big terran buff patch.

I expect these forums to be a bit more civil then screaming imba/uselessness at every change.

hive upg for roach is actually useless now though
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 23:46:06
March 30 2010 23:45 GMT
#434
On March 31 2010 08:35 Archerofaiur wrote:
Blizzard wants to make the player base more proportional with the lore. They will continue to nerf Protoss until only a couple hundred survivers huddle in some dark corner of BNET muttering to themselves about artifacts of salvation.


this must be the reasoning
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Skee
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada702 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-30 23:48:34
March 30 2010 23:47 GMT
#435
Was the HT nerf really necessary?

They might have just completely changed how PvT is played.

If they wanted that they could have just made mech a little more useful.
Black Octopi
Profile Joined March 2010
187 Posts
March 30 2010 23:48 GMT
#436
Concerning all the complaining on "why is blizzard nerfing protoss", as Tasteless said in PvT, protoss player can just talk on the phone and attack move while terran player has to burn his heart out. The fact is Protoss with its "perfect counter" units was and maybe still is the easiest most no-micro/no-tactics race by far.

Blizzard have yet to make Protoss harder then Terran, all patches are doing is simply making the playing field more even. Same applies to Zerg. No race should just be dead easy in a matchup versus another.
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13922 Posts
March 30 2010 23:48 GMT
#437
On March 31 2010 08:47 mity wrote:
Was the HT nerf really necessary?

They might have just completely changed how PvT is played.


what gg at start of the game?

+ Show Spoiler +
i guess it might not be that bad but still its a kick in the balls
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Daycayday
Profile Joined March 2010
France9 Posts
March 30 2010 23:48 GMT
#438
On March 31 2010 04:17 Bear4188 wrote:
It seems like they might be trying to move the banshee from a strictly harass role into also being a main army composition unit.


+1
Attack is the best defense
Zexion
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Sweden971 Posts
March 30 2010 23:49 GMT
#439
Why did they nerf HT? I already thought Psi Storm was pretty weak. But that's just me I guess...
Daycayday
Profile Joined March 2010
France9 Posts
March 30 2010 23:51 GMT
#440
On March 31 2010 04:19 mOnion wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 31 2010 04:17 TheComeback wrote:
On March 31 2010 04:13 De4ngus wrote:
YES!!! I eliminated someone with 5 seconds left to shutdown lololol. Damn that was close.

LOL @ HT nerf. They suck so much people barely used them in the first place. Cannon buff is nice. Forge FE should be a little easier now. Also the muta problem is less of a problem, although they're still going to be stupid as hell on desert oasis.


are you kidding? templar > collosus since the collo nerf


uh, no? situational, but i still prefer robo builds because the counters are hard counters.

the colossus didnt even get nerfed that badly T_T


With the Viking's buff you don't need to nerf Colossus,
Attack is the best defense
Prev 1 20 21 22 23 24 32 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 4h 45m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 152
-ZergGirl 87
StarCraft: Brood War
Rain 1817
Hyuk 262
910 67
Yoon 38
Bale 34
NotJumperer 28
ZergMaN 17
yabsab 13
Icarus 8
League of Legends
JimRising 638
Reynor49
Super Smash Bros
hungrybox595
Mew2King59
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor222
Other Games
summit1g6076
WinterStarcraft400
PiGStarcraft251
C9.Mang0201
Sick191
Livibee170
ArmadaUGS48
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick660
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream215
[ Show 10 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• Migwel
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• lizZardDota2311
League of Legends
• Stunt467
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
4h 45m
Stellar Fest
6h 45m
The PondCast
1d 3h
OSC
1d 6h
Stellar Fest
1d 6h
OSC
1d 17h
Stellar Fest
2 days
CranKy Ducklings
3 days
Online Event
3 days
FEL
3 days
[ Show More ]
AI Arena Tournament
3 days
BSL: Ladder Tournament
3 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
4 days
INu's Battles
4 days
herO vs Classic
Percival vs Rogue
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
BSL Open Qualifier
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
WardiTV Weekly
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
INu's Battles
6 days
SHIN vs Cure
ByuN vs Zoun
PiGosaur Cup
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-09-27
Blizzard Classic Cup 2026
Calamity Invitational

Ongoing

ASL Season 22
Super Anchor Qualifying S3
CSL 2026 AUTUMN (S22)
Acropolis #5
1win Private Club #1
Logitech G Play Connect 2026
SL StarSeries Fall 2026
FISSURE Playground #3
BLAST Open Fall 2026
Esports World Cup 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer 2026
BLAST Bounty Summer Qual
Stake Ranked Episode 3

Upcoming

Acropolis #5 - GSB
Acropolis #5 - GSC
BSL Season 23
SC4ALL II: Brood War
BSL 23: Non-Korean Championship
HSC XXX
Stellar Fest 2: Lunar Cup
SC4ALL II: StarCraft II
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
RSL Offline Finals
Custodian Cup
Copium Cup
PGL Major Singapore 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 6
BLAST Rivals Fall 2026
IEM Beijing 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 5
PGL Masters Bucharest 2026
1win Private Club #2
Thunderpick World Champ. '26
ESL Pro League Season 24
Stake Ranked Episode 4
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.