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On March 31 2010 07:07 Skyze wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:02 mOnion wrote:On March 31 2010 06:59 Skyze wrote:On March 31 2010 06:50 Shiladie wrote:On March 31 2010 06:18 CharlieMurphy wrote:On March 31 2010 05:22 Skyze wrote:
bleh. This is a bad patch IMO, done nothing to stop marauders owning everything a zerg has in first 15 minutes.. Terran is too strong, any good terran wont fall for the "baneling bust" and then just send in their MMM to dominate everything.. I doubt sunkens will be changed enough to actually do any damage to MMM.
Its like BW, cept M&M dont take any damage from sunkens... so theres no way to stop the mid-game push. They dont even need tanks, cause marauders are like a walking tank with slow agree with this. If you try and cut your losses and retreat from MnM you lose it all. If MnM tries to cut his losses and retreat he kites you into nothing as he retreats or you just let him get away to lick his wounds. Lings are supposed to counter marauders but they really don't, the marauders have too much Hp even if you sruround them, the reinforcements arrive before you finish them off and like I said you can't retreat at this point because you'll get slowed and raped by stim if you try. This is the same thoughts I've been having, zerg has to flat out win it's battles or terran just keeps getting bigger, marauders are simply too strong vs all other T1, I'd say it's time they get a small HP nerf and an attack speed nerf. That and/or nerf roaches+buff lings... I actually think thats the biggest problem in SC2 (what SpoR said), You basically cant retreat from battles in SC2.. Theres so many units that are just either too slow, or units like the marauders which slow you down.. Even like roaches vs stalkers/sentries, you cant run because the roaches are too slow (without upgrade, but even with upgrade i thnk its the same) and they just own you before you can retreat.. Air units are even worse, altho I like that in a way because it means my mutas can dominate like 5 phoenix's when they start running, but it should be fixed imo. You basically have to commit to attacking in SC2, because you cant retreat. That is probably why we are seeing so many people just sitting in their base massing armies, you cant even really pick off one unit and run back micro because running away doesnt work. The only major design flaw I see so far in SC2. uh, yes you can. you just, turn around and run. unless you were completely dominated by 36 marauders, you're gonna be able to get away. muta did the same attack shit while it runs thing in BW, you just gotta get away first. you dont HAVE to commit by any stretch of the imagination. uhh. Go try it. Have 5 roaches vs 5sentry/5stalker, try picking off one sentry then running away.. Good luck getting even 1 roach alive when you get back to your base. Same with roach vs roach even. and obviously Marauders
why the hell would you try to snipe with roaches when they have shit range? you cant just do whatever you want and hope to get away.
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Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran.
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On March 31 2010 07:14 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 06:27 Tdelamay wrote:
The banshee is a base raiding unit. Now that static defense is better, it will be harder for banshee to do what they did, so they buffed her health by 10 hp. Which is okay. I don't think a banshee can take down a photon cannon. fuck i'd hope a photon cannon could take down 2 banshies... ffs
2 banshees > photon cannon fyi.
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On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran.
cannons have been buffed
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On March 31 2010 07:17 Simple wrote:
aw i kinda liked how storm was before. if anything, they should just increase the duration by one second. it rapes when it deals the damage quick, so with a longer timer at least itll give faster reactionists a chance to avoid the full force
this would make roaches even better QQ
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On March 31 2010 07:18 McCain wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:14 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 06:27 Tdelamay wrote:
The banshee is a base raiding unit. Now that static defense is better, it will be harder for banshee to do what they did, so they buffed her health by 10 hp. Which is okay. I don't think a banshee can take down a photon cannon. fuck i'd hope a photon cannon could take down 2 banshies... ffs 2 banshees > photon cannon fyi.
so dumb
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On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran.
you could play the race you enjoy o.o everyone's so picky choosy.
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On March 31 2010 07:08 Thrill wrote:
I play terran.
I don't know what it is.
I haven't won a single game after this patch.
Not. One. Single. Game.
Co. In. Ce. Dence.
Correlating your losses to this patch purely because you find the patch to be a landmark is a fallacy of false cause.
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On March 31 2010 07:19 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:18 McCain wrote:On March 31 2010 07:14 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 06:27 Tdelamay wrote:
The banshee is a base raiding unit. Now that static defense is better, it will be harder for banshee to do what they did, so they buffed her health by 10 hp. Which is okay. I don't think a banshee can take down a photon cannon. fuck i'd hope a photon cannon could take down 2 banshies... ffs 2 banshees > photon cannon fyi. so dumb
what? what's so dumb about that? lol
banshees attack ground only and they're 150/100, you'd expect a cannon to beat 2 banshees?
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On March 31 2010 07:18 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran. cannons have been buffed
Fayth just stop this please, we are from the internet, we have the need to construct an argument in which only take facts that supports our claim and ignore facts that disprove of our argument.
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On March 31 2010 05:54 Paladia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 05:51 adelarge wrote:On March 31 2010 05:44 Paladia wrote:On March 31 2010 05:18 mOnion wrote:On March 31 2010 05:16 Paladia wrote:
Great, the race that had a 42% win rate in the top before the two nerf patches (Protoss) gets even more nerfed, while the race with above 60% win rate gets even more buffed.
Banshee buff and HT nerf makes no sense. The area storm covers was decreased by almost 50%, GG no re. only decreased by 25%....and where are you getting your stats? 25%? Math ftl mate. How do you calculate area of a circle? Area = pi * radius^2 and thus Prenerf: pi * 2^2 = 12.7 Area Storm covers: 12.7After nerf: pi * 1.5^2 = 7 Area Storm covers: 7Difference in percent: 1-(7/12.7) = 45% Total area nerf to Storm: 45%, it is possibly the biggest nerf ever done in Starcraft history. Biggest nerf ever done in Starcraft history my ass. Don't you remember how much was EMP nerfed last patch? The radius went from 3 to 2. Feel free to calculate the percetage for yourself. Storm has been a fundamental tool in every match up for Protoss for the past 11 years. EMP was situationally used against one race in some patches, there is quite a difference.
The game is not even out yet wtf are you talking about. Remember It's not the same game.
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On March 31 2010 06:35 -orb- wrote:
So let me get this straight... terran now has splash anti-air to deal with mutas.
Protoss, on the other hand, still doesn't have splash anti-air, and the only AoE we had (storm) has now been nerfed making it even harder to deal with mutas.
What the fuck blizzard?
I could NOT agree with this more. It's about time Phoenixes received a buff.
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On March 31 2010 07:18 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran. cannons have been buffed
so muradors and roaches still plow through them easy mode
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On March 31 2010 07:19 Zeke50100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:08 Thrill wrote:
I play terran.
I don't know what it is.
I haven't won a single game after this patch.
Not. One. Single. Game. Co. In. Ce. Dence. Correlating your losses to this patch purely because you find the patch to be a landmark is a fallacy of false cause.
I wouldn't attribute it to coincidence. The more likely cause is that he is simply bad at sc2
As a Terran player, I'm quite happy they nerfed storm. It makes bio play more viable. EMP feels like a much more powerful spell compared to storm now.
Regarding the thor AA splash change, I was experimenting with marine/marauder/medivac/thor army and it seemed really strong o.O. Thors have a long enough range to snipe nat hatcheries plus you can use their special attack to get it down faster. It really forces Z to split up his army quite a bit since you can drop like 3 thors into a Z's base and snipe key buildings and/or hatcheries real quick. Then just run away on the medivacs.
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On March 31 2010 07:22 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:18 Fayth wrote:On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran. cannons have been buffed so muradors and roaches still plow through them easy mode
so did zerglings in SC1! IMBA, oh wait T_T
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On March 31 2010 07:20 Fayth wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:19 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 07:18 McCain wrote:On March 31 2010 07:14 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 06:27 Tdelamay wrote:
The banshee is a base raiding unit. Now that static defense is better, it will be harder for banshee to do what they did, so they buffed her health by 10 hp. Which is okay. I don't think a banshee can take down a photon cannon. fuck i'd hope a photon cannon could take down 2 banshies... ffs 2 banshees > photon cannon fyi. so dumb what? what's so dumb about that? lol banshees attack ground only and they're 150/100, you'd expect a cannon to beat 2 banshees?
sure why not?
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On March 31 2010 07:24 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:22 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 07:18 Fayth wrote:On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran. cannons have been buffed so muradors and roaches still plow through them easy mode so did zerglings in SC1! IMBA, oh wait T_T
And no, roaches do not plough through cannons ez-mode. Cannons are very cost effective against roaches.
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On March 31 2010 07:25 StorrZerg wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:20 Fayth wrote:On March 31 2010 07:19 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 07:18 McCain wrote:On March 31 2010 07:14 StorrZerg wrote:On March 31 2010 06:27 Tdelamay wrote:
The banshee is a base raiding unit. Now that static defense is better, it will be harder for banshee to do what they did, so they buffed her health by 10 hp. Which is okay. I don't think a banshee can take down a photon cannon. fuck i'd hope a photon cannon could take down 2 banshies... ffs 2 banshees > photon cannon fyi. so dumb what? what's so dumb about that? lol banshees attack ground only and they're 150/100, you'd expect a cannon to beat 2 banshees? sure why not?
there's that whole "banshees cost gas" so they should at least be able to take out a photon cannon relatively easy. lets try and be reasonable.
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On March 31 2010 07:19 mOnion wrote:Show nested quote +On March 31 2010 07:18 Yamoth wrote:
Another Protoss nerf, I would say I am sock if it wasn't for this being the 7 straight neft protoss been getting. As a loyal Protoss player since SC1, I guess not is as good of a time as ever to move to Terran. you could play the race you enjoy o.o everyone's so picky choosy.
Why bother when I can play another race that I spend a third of the time playing yet get more wins. I don't know about anyone else here but I enjoy winning very much.
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