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NiGoL
Profile Joined September 2008
1868 Posts
March 15 2010 16:30 GMT
#81
who is scsz? anyone got his aka? maybe from sc1/wc3 ?
http://www.twitter.com/NiGoLBW playing league on a competitive level
Disastorm
Profile Joined January 2008
United States922 Posts
March 15 2010 17:05 GMT
#82
On March 16 2010 01:16 yomi wrote:
Pretty much everything stated in this post it's a reward system that in the end doesn't affect serious game play at all it feels good to be top 20 in your division even if it's only out of 100 random people, also don't cry about a ranking system being broken so soon it's only been out for a few weeks =x.

Theoretically it actually could affect serious game play as one division could have more competitive players then another and so it would be harder for people to get in the top 8. For example imagine 2 divisions, 1 has 16 competitive players and the other has 0. in the tournament, there would then be 8 competitive players as opposed to 16, which there would have been had they all been in the same single division.
"Don't worry so much man. There won't be any more zergs left to QQ. Lots of QQ about TvT is incoming though I bet." - Vrok 9/21/10
Teejing
Profile Joined January 2009
Germany1360 Posts
March 15 2010 22:03 GMT
#83
On March 16 2010 02:05 Disastorm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 01:16 yomi wrote:
Pretty much everything stated in this post it's a reward system that in the end doesn't affect serious game play at all it feels good to be top 20 in your division even if it's only out of 100 random people, also don't cry about a ranking system being broken so soon it's only been out for a few weeks =x.

Theoretically it actually could affect serious game play as one division could have more competitive players then another and so it would be harder for people to get in the top 8. For example imagine 2 divisions, 1 has 16 competitive players and the other has 0. in the tournament, there would then be 8 competitive players as opposed to 16, which there would have been had they all been in the same single division.


system balaces iteself out by moving players from plat to plat leagues
ROOTFayth
Profile Joined January 2004
Canada3351 Posts
March 15 2010 22:07 GMT
#84
lol seems like some huge newbie is playing on his account, played him twice today and it was beyond ridiculous, it was like he was afk, I even asked "are you afk??" and he said "no, I'm beginner"
Rothbardian
Profile Joined January 2010
United States497 Posts
March 15 2010 22:48 GMT
#85
On March 16 2010 01:28 starcraft911 wrote:
Using rating to determine someones skill is pretty bad. I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't moved up though. My friend did all the placement games for one of the ID we share and he got it placed in gold going 8-2. After playing for 1 day and stomping noobs it put me into a platinum division. His ratio is 1.7/1 which might be part of it.


If Blizzard actually used a strictly ELO system rating would be perfectly fine. Chess has shown what an outstanding ranking system ELO can be. I like the KISS method, but apparently Blizzard doesn't take too kindly to Occam's Razor :p

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billyX333
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States1360 Posts
March 16 2010 07:49 GMT
#86
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a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta
best ranking system ever
zealing
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada806 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 18:00:49
March 16 2010 07:52 GMT
#87
this shows us how T_T the b.net ladder system really is. /cry but ELO is like nothing

User was warned for this awfully worded post
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Blankets
Profile Joined March 2010
United States15 Posts
March 16 2010 07:54 GMT
#88
definitely a shared account, he has some ridiculously bad games and some ridiculously good ones.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 08:26:42
March 16 2010 08:17 GMT
#89
Anyone willing to post a rep of scsz, I don't care if it's a bad one. Maybe looking at his hotkeys someone could figure out who he is. btw the guy is now 2532.
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nvm it turns out that scsz is a user here (Ghoflz) and he posted a replay of his vs Lite earlier today. Here's his post:
On March 16 2010 13:34 Ghoflz wrote:
lite vs sczc TVT
Lost Temple
Platinum 1 vs Silver 1
Pretty tense back and forth game. Lite goes for m&m&m tank vs thor tank and bc.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nwidkwbjyzj

9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
papaz
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden4149 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 08:26:33
March 16 2010 08:24 GMT
#90
On March 16 2010 16:54 Blankets wrote:
definitely a shared account, he has some ridiculously bad games and some ridiculously good ones.


the most intelligent post on this thread.

period.

stop bashing on the rating system. Yes it's far away from perfect, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away. But when something is that off like a silver player beating nr 1 ranked platinum player other explanations than "the matchmaking system is sooo broken" are probably more likely.

He shares account is much more likely than the system being THAT broken.

But yea, he shouldnt just stay in silver league forever when his account is beating plat players.


Dyno.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 08:51:58
March 16 2010 08:51 GMT
#91
guy gets sc2 beta account. plays 10 games, gets placed in silver, gold, or bronze. played 20 more games, remains in silver or is promoted/demoted from copper/bronze. decides he's bored with the game and/or doesn't like it. gives account to friend who is some gosu RTS player. friend proceeds to results shown in this thread.

friend isn't promoted to gold or platinum because there are no more automatic re-rankings beyond 30 games played.
Kiante
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Australia7069 Posts
March 16 2010 08:54 GMT
#92
As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing.
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Insane
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States4991 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 09:05:15
March 16 2010 09:04 GMT
#93
On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote:
As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing.

Seems to be a big problem to me. I thought the whole point of the leagues was that there's incentive to improve because you keep reaching new leagues and stuff. Where's the incentive if you get stuck in your current league?

Also all platinum should be &gt; all gold, and all platinum should be directly comparable to all other platinum, etc.

Right now it's a clusterfuck and no one really has any idea except like #1 platinum is probably better than #1 gold and #1 gold is probably better than #40 platinum etc....
humblegar
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Norway883 Posts
March 16 2010 09:36 GMT
#94
On March 14 2010 16:02 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 14 2010 15:55 Dionyseus wrote:
On March 14 2010 15:40 AnEsotericMan wrote:
The rough impression I've gotten from playing is that each league up is a 200-250 point difference. So he's roughly as skilled as a platinum ranked 1932-2032. Not the highest rated, but certainly among the top players. Very odd that he's still in silver.


Yea that sounds about right. He's probably getting favored against platinums under 1900. I just noticed he only got 4 points for a win against Quick, a rank 7 platinum division 16 rated 1614.


This ladder is so messed up. The placement matches are weighed to heavily, in fact I don't even know why they exist, it would be much better if everyone just started at the bottom and worked their way up. I've seen people in platinum with under 100 games ffs.


You are right, but under 100 games? I ended up in platinum with extremely easy 8-2 in both 1v1 and 2v2. The first ten or so games after that were hell, but I've picked up the pace and back at around 1000 points or so now.

There are at least four people in my plat. division with 8-2 at all times (1000 points), Most of them are in for a one way ticked down the ladder, and that is as big a problem as the ladder being misleading and not promoting people.

The bottom of platinum is filled with people having 8-15. 10-20 and so on, barely scraping a victory after their ranking matches, not much fun in that. I can only guess but I think would have been much better to start lower and work their way up in stead.

Other than that I'm surprised at the lack of clarity compared to iccup as it is right now, although iccup has other flaws.
chobopeon
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
United States7342 Posts
March 16 2010 09:40 GMT
#95
On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote:
As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing.



i was just moved after over 100 games.
:O
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
March 16 2010 13:00 GMT
#96
On March 16 2010 18:04 Insane wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote:
As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing.

Seems to be a big problem to me. I thought the whole point of the leagues was that there's incentive to improve because you keep reaching new leagues and stuff. Where's the incentive if you get stuck in your current league?

Also all platinum should be &gt; all gold, and all platinum should be directly comparable to all other platinum, etc.

Right now it's a clusterfuck and no one really has any idea except like #1 platinum is probably better than #1 gold and #1 gold is probably better than #40 platinum etc....


Even divisions should be strictly one after the other, otherwise what's the chance of a player currently ranked 40 in his division to get in the top 8 and compete in the tournament? I can tell you what's his chance with the current system, it's exactly 0%, since a gold player in 40th place is very likely much worse than a number 1 silver player. So currently whether or not you can compete in the end season tournament is mostly luck than anything else with divisions not only heavily overlapping with each other, but heavily overlapping even with other leagues.

In order for divisions to be of players of similar skill levels as it is advertised in the bnet description of leagues and divisions and everyone to have a chance of being top 8 the skill difference inside a division must be a lot smaller and it's not like there aren't enough players with similar skill levels.
Even on iccup where the amount of players is much smaller than in the SC2 beta you can see there's a very very small difference between player 2000 and 2100 and just one-two games can move you 100 positions, so if divisions were extremely tight in skill level one game would be enough to get you from last place to first place, so even with significant overlap(but not as ridiculous as the current one is) there would still be chance for everyone to become top 8 in their respective division.
I'll call Nada.
AskJoshy
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States1625 Posts
March 16 2010 13:29 GMT
#97
I've seen evidence of people being moved at or after 500 games as well. It looks like he's played over 350 by now.
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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 16 2010 17:58 GMT
#98
On March 16 2010 22:29 JoshSuth wrote:
I've seen evidence of people being moved at or after 500 games as well. It looks like he's played over 350 by now.


I might find out soon, the leader in my silver division (youngdrew.hungry) has played 434 games and he's rated 2009, he's been playing platinums and top gold.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 18:04:43
March 16 2010 18:03 GMT
#99
I was moved after over 60 games. I really think it's simply a matter of the system waiting for new players to make a division with. Number of concurrent users has been on a steep decline since late last week, so it stands to reason that the system would have trouble moving people around.

Obviously it's silly that scsz wasn't moved around the same time as me last week, but oh well. It's not perfect
MaestroSC
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2073 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 18:29:42
March 16 2010 18:14 GMT
#100
Im number 3 in my silver, but am currently sticking to FFA because now im nonstop playing platinum players, im a gold at best. (im playing FFA to work on my apm/management because atm its mechanics and not strategy as much that seperate me from players who beat me)

But my last 4-5 games i friend added them and they were platinum players, its not that im crying about playin v platinum players, but then put me in a better league, being in silver and playing v platinum players is kinda ridiculous, WTB more players for gold division? (im like 1750 in my silver like 30 points out of 2nd and our number 1 is like 1900 i think. Our top 5 are all 1600+ with every1 else being 1500 and less. all the way down to like 800)

I mean its cool getting 35+ points per win, but im just not at the level to compete against platinum players continually.right now.


just as a BTW the game count has nothing to do with being moved div's id bet money on it. Every1 suspected the same thing in the beginning "after 50" or "after 100" l dont think so, i am pretty sure the div changes come in waves. (still waiting to be bumped to gold).

And lastly it seems to be completely obvious its a shared account, and if u account for 1 player being a copper and 1 being a platinum the middle = silver/bronze. Silver= the plat one plays more, but the copper plays enough to kep him out of gold/plat. So if anything i think this proves the divisions are more balanced than we thought. This also acounts for his insane amount of points. The copper play keeps him in lower division, but he is obvious a top platinum player in reality = 30-50 points a win and when the copper person plays he is losing 1-5 = he only need 1 for every 7-10 games the copper person plays.
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