EPTscsz, highest rated silver player in the US - Page 5
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NiGoL
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Disastorm
United States922 Posts
On March 16 2010 01:16 yomi wrote: Pretty much everything stated in this post it's a reward system that in the end doesn't affect serious game play at all it feels good to be top 20 in your division even if it's only out of 100 random people, also don't cry about a ranking system being broken so soon it's only been out for a few weeks =x. Theoretically it actually could affect serious game play as one division could have more competitive players then another and so it would be harder for people to get in the top 8. For example imagine 2 divisions, 1 has 16 competitive players and the other has 0. in the tournament, there would then be 8 competitive players as opposed to 16, which there would have been had they all been in the same single division. | ||
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Teejing
Germany1360 Posts
On March 16 2010 02:05 Disastorm wrote: Theoretically it actually could affect serious game play as one division could have more competitive players then another and so it would be harder for people to get in the top 8. For example imagine 2 divisions, 1 has 16 competitive players and the other has 0. in the tournament, there would then be 8 competitive players as opposed to 16, which there would have been had they all been in the same single division. system balaces iteself out by moving players from plat to plat leagues | ||
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ROOTFayth
Canada3351 Posts
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Rothbardian
United States497 Posts
On March 16 2010 01:28 starcraft911 wrote: Using rating to determine someones skill is pretty bad. I'm kinda confused as to why he hasn't moved up though. My friend did all the placement games for one of the ID we share and he got it placed in gold going 8-2. After playing for 1 day and stomping noobs it put me into a platinum division. His ratio is 1.7/1 which might be part of it. If Blizzard actually used a strictly ELO system rating would be perfectly fine. Chess has shown what an outstanding ranking system ELO can be. I like the KISS method, but apparently Blizzard doesn't take too kindly to Occam's Razor :p | ||
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billyX333
United States1360 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/4082/67689556.jpg) a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta best ranking system ever | ||
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zealing
Canada806 Posts
User was warned for this awfully worded post | ||
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Blankets
United States15 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i39.tinypic.com/mm4fh4.jpg) nvm it turns out that scsz is a user here (Ghoflz) and he posted a replay of his vs Lite earlier today. Here's his post: On March 16 2010 13:34 Ghoflz wrote: lite vs sczc TVT Lost Temple Platinum 1 vs Silver 1 Pretty tense back and forth game. Lite goes for m&m&m tank vs thor tank and bc. http://www.mediafire.com/?nwidkwbjyzj | ||
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papaz
Sweden4149 Posts
On March 16 2010 16:54 Blankets wrote: definitely a shared account, he has some ridiculously bad games and some ridiculously good ones. the most intelligent post on this thread. period. stop bashing on the rating system. Yes it's far away from perfect, faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar away. But when something is that off like a silver player beating nr 1 ranked platinum player other explanations than "the matchmaking system is sooo broken" are probably more likely. He shares account is much more likely than the system being THAT broken. But yea, he shouldnt just stay in silver league forever when his account is beating plat players. | ||
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Dyno.
United States286 Posts
friend isn't promoted to gold or platinum because there are no more automatic re-rankings beyond 30 games played. | ||
Kiante
Australia7069 Posts
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Insane
United States4991 Posts
On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote: As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing. Seems to be a big problem to me. I thought the whole point of the leagues was that there's incentive to improve because you keep reaching new leagues and stuff. Where's the incentive if you get stuck in your current league? Also all platinum should be > all gold, and all platinum should be directly comparable to all other platinum, etc. Right now it's a clusterfuck and no one really has any idea except like #1 platinum is probably better than #1 gold and #1 gold is probably better than #40 platinum etc.... | ||
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humblegar
Norway883 Posts
On March 14 2010 16:02 Xxio wrote: This ladder is so messed up. The placement matches are weighed to heavily, in fact I don't even know why they exist, it would be much better if everyone just started at the bottom and worked their way up. I've seen people in platinum with under 100 games ffs. You are right, but under 100 games? I ended up in platinum with extremely easy 8-2 in both 1v1 and 2v2. The first ten or so games after that were hell, but I've picked up the pace and back at around 1000 points or so now. There are at least four people in my plat. division with 8-2 at all times (1000 points), Most of them are in for a one way ticked down the ladder, and that is as big a problem as the ladder being misleading and not promoting people. The bottom of platinum is filled with people having 8-15. 10-20 and so on, barely scraping a victory after their ranking matches, not much fun in that. I can only guess but I think would have been much better to start lower and work their way up in stead. Other than that I'm surprised at the lack of clarity compared to iccup as it is right now, although iccup has other flaws. | ||
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chobopeon
United States7342 Posts
On March 16 2010 17:54 Kiante wrote: As long as they're going to do "seasons" like iccup, i dont see a problem with the not being moved after 30 games thing. i was just moved after over 100 games. | ||
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lololol
5198 Posts
On March 16 2010 18:04 Insane wrote: Seems to be a big problem to me. I thought the whole point of the leagues was that there's incentive to improve because you keep reaching new leagues and stuff. Where's the incentive if you get stuck in your current league? Also all platinum should be > all gold, and all platinum should be directly comparable to all other platinum, etc. Right now it's a clusterfuck and no one really has any idea except like #1 platinum is probably better than #1 gold and #1 gold is probably better than #40 platinum etc.... Even divisions should be strictly one after the other, otherwise what's the chance of a player currently ranked 40 in his division to get in the top 8 and compete in the tournament? I can tell you what's his chance with the current system, it's exactly 0%, since a gold player in 40th place is very likely much worse than a number 1 silver player. So currently whether or not you can compete in the end season tournament is mostly luck than anything else with divisions not only heavily overlapping with each other, but heavily overlapping even with other leagues. In order for divisions to be of players of similar skill levels as it is advertised in the bnet description of leagues and divisions and everyone to have a chance of being top 8 the skill difference inside a division must be a lot smaller and it's not like there aren't enough players with similar skill levels. Even on iccup where the amount of players is much smaller than in the SC2 beta you can see there's a very very small difference between player 2000 and 2100 and just one-two games can move you 100 positions, so if divisions were extremely tight in skill level one game would be enough to get you from last place to first place, so even with significant overlap(but not as ridiculous as the current one is) there would still be chance for everyone to become top 8 in their respective division. | ||
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AskJoshy
United States1625 Posts
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Dionyseus
United States2068 Posts
On March 16 2010 22:29 JoshSuth wrote: I've seen evidence of people being moved at or after 500 games as well. It looks like he's played over 350 by now. I might find out soon, the leader in my silver division (youngdrew.hungry) has played 434 games and he's rated 2009, he's been playing platinums and top gold. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
Obviously it's silly that scsz wasn't moved around the same time as me last week, but oh well. It's not perfect | ||
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
But my last 4-5 games i friend added them and they were platinum players, its not that im crying about playin v platinum players, but then put me in a better league, being in silver and playing v platinum players is kinda ridiculous, WTB more players for gold division? (im like 1750 in my silver like 30 points out of 2nd and our number 1 is like 1900 i think. Our top 5 are all 1600+ with every1 else being 1500 and less. all the way down to like 800) I mean its cool getting 35+ points per win, but im just not at the level to compete against platinum players continually.right now. just as a BTW the game count has nothing to do with being moved div's id bet money on it. Every1 suspected the same thing in the beginning "after 50" or "after 100" l dont think so, i am pretty sure the div changes come in waves. (still waiting to be bumped to gold). And lastly it seems to be completely obvious its a shared account, and if u account for 1 player being a copper and 1 being a platinum the middle = silver/bronze. Silver= the plat one plays more, but the copper plays enough to kep him out of gold/plat. So if anything i think this proves the divisions are more balanced than we thought. This also acounts for his insane amount of points. The copper play keeps him in lower division, but he is obvious a top platinum player in reality = 30-50 points a win and when the copper person plays he is losing 1-5 = he only need 1 for every 7-10 games the copper person plays. | ||
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