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fyyer
Profile Joined February 2010
United States145 Posts
March 16 2010 18:19 GMT
#101
On March 16 2010 16:49 billyX333 wrote:
[image loading]


a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta
best ranking system ever


Which game is that from? Post a replay?
creepcolony
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany362 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 18:35:38
March 16 2010 18:29 GMT
#102
Ladder system is a bit crazy atm. Thats at least whats my impression.

Last days i was placed 4-6th in silver 2v2 random. one evening i won 5 or 6 games in row, which resulted in that i had the best win/loss ratio in my division. Next day, to my surprise, after a loss i got promoted to 16th place gold league, with like 1060 points. before in silver it where like 1240 or something..

atm for me its really hard to say what counts for what in case of points/favored/league placement.

edit: Was wondering yesterday that theres a guy in my gold division with 40-21 and he got ~940 points..must be a constant horrible selection of opponents for him..
[uci] Fizik
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States263 Posts
March 16 2010 18:39 GMT
#103
I am at like 270 wins with 240 losses and a rating of 1800s in silver with the lowest rating in my division's top 8 being in the 1400s and I have yet to be promoted to gold/plat. I play high ranked gold and low ranked plat players and trade wins and losses with them.

I am sure the ladder system will work better once these "tournaments" get implemented where winning probably will result in direct promotion to the next tier.
Liquid'HerO fan for LIFE.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 16 2010 18:44 GMT
#104
On March 17 2010 03:14 mnofstl007 wrote:
I mean its cool getting 35+ points per win, but im just not at the level to compete against platinum players continually.right now.


And lastly it seems to be completely obvious its a shared account, and if u account for 1 player being a copper and 1 being a platinum the middle = silver/bronze. Silver= the plat one plays more, but the copper plays enough to kep him out of gold/plat. So if anything i think this proves the divisions are more balanced than we thought. This also acounts for his insane amount of points. The copper play keeps him in lower division, but he is obvious a top platinum player in reality = 30-50 points a win and when the copper person plays he is losing 1-5 = he only need 1 for every 7-10 games the copper person plays.


He's not getting 35 points a win, more like 6 to 12 points a win against top ten platinums depending on their rating. Since he is getting favored against the top platinums, that means he'd be losing at least 13-14 points per loss, so him staying as silver can't be explained by losing on purpose, and also he wouldn't be this highly rated if he mostly just loses games.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 16 2010 18:52 GMT
#105
On March 17 2010 03:19 fyyer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 16:49 billyX333 wrote:
[image loading]


a silver player beats #1 rated platinum player on beta
best ranking system ever


Which game is that from? Post a replay?


Most likely he got that from his match history thing.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
mondry
Profile Joined March 2010
United States40 Posts
March 16 2010 19:12 GMT
#106
I think what happens is, especially with shared accounts, is that if someone is losing a bunch early on, like let's say they get placed in silver and go 5-25 W/L ratio while someone else on the account is a better player and goes 25-5, the average is still 1:1 W/L.

This scenario keeps up for a bit, but then the person going 5-25 stops playing and the person going 25-5 starts to quickly pump the rating, winning most of the matches on the account and getting a lot of points as the underdog. However, the system sees how overall, the account might still be 225 wins with 175 losses and it thinks it has seen enough brutal losses to gold / plat to keep the account right in silver league because the bad player on the account lost almost every time they played an equal or higher quality opponent.

Of course you could obtain the same result by simply throwing your matches after you feel you've won to many.





Piousflea
Profile Joined February 2010
United States259 Posts
March 16 2010 23:50 GMT
#107
I think it is likely that the ranking system is still buggy. After all, on the first week of beta, it was randomly resetting people to 1000 rating for no reason. We have no evidence to suggest that the beta matchmaking system is stable and bug-free.
Seek, behold, and reveal the truth
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
March 16 2010 23:54 GMT
#108
does your ELO get reset to a default value when you graduate a division?
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-16 23:57:56
March 16 2010 23:57 GMT
#109
On March 17 2010 08:54 StayFrosty wrote:
does your ELO get reset to a default value when you graduate a division?


From what I understand it converts your rating to the equivalent for the new league you are moving to. Most people say each league higher is about 200 to 250 points, so if you were 1600 in silver, moving up to gold your new rating would be around 1350-1400.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
StayFrosty
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada743 Posts
March 17 2010 00:09 GMT
#110
I would think it makes more sense by calculating the average ELO for the division you are in and setting your ELO to a value 30% below it or something along those lines.
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 17 2010 00:51 GMT
#111
I asked scsz and he said he does share his account.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
Kralic
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2628 Posts
March 17 2010 02:34 GMT
#112
It is obvious he is the control part of this beta. see what the max "elo" can get to.
Brood War forever!
Fasho
Profile Joined March 2010
United States11 Posts
March 17 2010 09:51 GMT
#113
Im actually in this guys league and ive been following his progression, hes online alot but right now as i type this he is 832 points higher than 2nd place in our league :-S
Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
March 20 2010 04:17 GMT
#114
Now rated 2680, closing in on 500 games :D
[image loading]
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
semantics
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
10040 Posts
March 20 2010 04:29 GMT
#115
ridiculous~ I hate to be him when he gets to plat league and gets reset to 1000 points
Blankets
Profile Joined March 2010
United States15 Posts
March 20 2010 04:53 GMT
#116
Reset will be soon, so none of this matters =]
mechanix
Profile Joined March 2010
33 Posts
March 20 2010 04:59 GMT
#117
i played him a few times, got trounced. guy is pretty good.
InRaged
Profile Joined February 2007
1047 Posts
March 20 2010 05:56 GMT
#118
On March 16 2010 01:06 Chill wrote:
I just can't even imagine how this system got approved in the first place. It's like 80 meaningless divisions where you can play anyone but you're grouped into these meaningless leagues. I understand what they're trying to do (8-man groups for the final tournament) but they should have simply had ONE platinum division, taken the top X players (by whichever criterium they wanted), and seeded them eight-man groups.

There's just so many things wrong with BNet 2 like this. I cannot fathom someone sitting at his desk getting pitched this idea and said "yes, this is a good idea - we should do this." Same with the friends / messaging system. It's so bulky. How did they think this was good?

I think for anyone who doesn't belong to top-50 separation by Leagues is an Awesome idea. Simple comparison with Iccup ranking style: who's gonna feel better about himself and more motivated to play more - #1 Copper Player who's about to get into Bronze League or 10050003 D- Player?

For Best of the Best players they should implement something like top-50 ranking so they can see how they compare to each other, that's for sure!
junny
Profile Joined October 2007
United States174 Posts
March 21 2010 05:16 GMT
#119
On March 16 2010 17:17 Dionyseus wrote:
Anyone willing to post a rep of scsz, I don't care if it's a bad one. Maybe looking at his hotkeys someone could figure out who he is. btw the guy is now 2532.

nvm it turns out that scsz is a user here (Ghoflz) and he posted a replay of his vs Lite earlier today. Here's his post:
Show nested quote +
On March 16 2010 13:34 Ghoflz wrote:
lite vs sczc TVT
Lost Temple
Platinum 1 vs Silver 1
Pretty tense back and forth game. Lite goes for m&m&m tank vs thor tank and bc.

http://www.mediafire.com/?nwidkwbjyzj



To clarify, I'm not actually sczc. I just posted the rep because a friend showed it to me and I thought it was a pretty good game.
Ranix
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States666 Posts
March 21 2010 05:28 GMT
#120
This whole ladder is crap imo. I want to see an iccup style rating of D- to A+ so I can accurately judge where I am.
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