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Okmanl
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 01:56:40
January 09 2011 09:44 GMT
#15821
Daily # 234

Stephano won because he went for an army composition that incorporated units from all stages of the Zerg's tech tree (early, mid, late -- roach, infestor, broodlord), not because he had some insane timing push.

It seems that Stephano's style of play might favor macro-oriented players, because essentially, the goal is to focus on early expanding, choosing units that will help best keep you alive, and then teching to your final unit before pushing. For example, a Terran player, mimicking Stephano's style of play might opt for an early expansion, and then rely solely on marines, and siege tanks to stay alive, and then tech to BCs. BCs eliminate any dangers posed to the marines/siege tanks and vice versa.

Another point I'd like to touch on is that I don't think that the hive was early at all like what day 9 pointed out. It was standard timing for a zerg player who (I assume) inteded on getting an early-mid-late army composition all along. It only seemed "early", because most Zerg players only BLs and ultras when their current early-mid game unit composition fails to win the game.
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
January 09 2011 09:49 GMT
#15822
On January 09 2011 12:32 TrinitySC wrote:
The sun has risen for the ninth time this year in Korea. As the world continues to turn and a new dawn fast approaches those all over the world, I invite you, and I implore you all to set aside our arguments and rages to celebrate with me the coming of the greatest day in the year - Day 9.

Happy Day 9! :D


I really like this. Happy Day 9 everyone! May your day be free of trust funds.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
HwangjaeTerran
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Finland5967 Posts
January 09 2011 10:47 GMT
#15823
Merry 9th day to all, may the thoughthammer grant you it's wisdom.
https://steamcommunity.com/id/*tlusernamehere*/
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 14:43:55
January 09 2011 14:33 GMT
#15824
On January 09 2011 18:44 Okmanl wrote:
Daily # 234

Stephano won because he went for an army composition that incorporated units from all stages of the Zerg's tech tree (early, mid, late -- roach, infestor, broodlord), not because he had some insane timing push, that Day9 leads us to believe.


When he was talking about the timing, I didn't get the impression he talked about the push itself, but the timing of the build he was using, getting the roaches, then infestor, corruptor into broodlord - getting broodlords fast without rushing for them as he put it.

On January 09 2011 18:44 Okmanl wrote:
Another point I'd like to touch on is that I don't think that the hive was early at all like what day 9 pointed out. It was standard timing for a zerg player who (I assume) inteded on getting an early-mid-late army composition all along. It only seemed "early", because most Zerg players only BLs and ultras when their current early-mid game unit composition fails to win the game.


Day9 said it was an early hive compared to most zerg vs terran games he've seen, which is completely true and you even say yourself that most zerg players play differently. So what exactly are you not agreeing with?
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 15:12:04
January 09 2011 15:10 GMT
#15825
Stephano won because he went for an army composition that incorporated units from all stages of the Zerg's tech tree (early, mid, late -- roach, infestor, broodlord), not because he had some insane timing push, that Day9 leads us to believe.


Uhm what? His army was pretty much just infestor/broodlord after he lost all his roaches. How is incorporating units from all stages of the tech tree advantagous? And that's an incredibly general thing to say that is almost impossible for zerg players not to do. If anything, it's a bad idea because if you look at his econ, he is horribly unbalanced in terms of gas and minerals.

The timing was INCREDIBLY important. He was literally about to die when the broodlords popped. The roaches and infestors were really there just to keep him alive until the broodlords.

But because Terrans don't actually scout (or at least didn't respond properly), he didn't prepare vikings beforehand and was caught offguard against the broodlords. Like all lategame units, if they catch you offguard they can kill you. I mean seriously, Hive & Greater Spire take a while to morph and give the terran plenty of scouting potential. You really shouldn't be caught offguard by that.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
January 09 2011 15:21 GMT
#15826
On January 10 2011 00:10 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
Stephano won because he went for an army composition that incorporated units from all stages of the Zerg's tech tree (early, mid, late -- roach, infestor, broodlord), not because he had some insane timing push, that Day9 leads us to believe.


Uhm what? His army was pretty much just infestor/broodlord after he lost all his roaches. How is incorporating units from all stages of the tech tree advantagous? And that's an incredibly general thing to say that is almost impossible for zerg players not to do. If anything, it's a bad idea because if you look at his econ, he is horribly unbalanced in terms of gas and minerals.

The timing was INCREDIBLY important. He was literally about to die when the broodlords popped. The roaches and infestors were really there just to keep him alive until the broodlords.

But because Terrans don't actually scout (or at least didn't respond properly), he didn't prepare vikings beforehand and was caught offguard against the broodlords. Like all lategame units, if they catch you offguard they can kill you. I mean seriously, Hive & Greater Spire take a while to morph and give the terran plenty of scouting potential. You really shouldn't be caught offguard by that.


I'll be the first to admit I often get caught out by it xD It happens pretty rarely, and almost always really late game, so it's hard to remember to keep scouting for tech you don't imagine they will get.

I think BL's are underrated...all you can get against it is vikings, and the brood lord/corrupter combo is pretty harsh against them. Meanwhile if you don't micro your infantry they get blown away by your own tank splash. Not impossible to deal with, but harder than people give it credit for.
DoubleReed
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States4130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-09 15:27:58
January 09 2011 15:27 GMT
#15827
I think BL's are underrated...all you can get against it is vikings, and the brood lord/corrupter combo is pretty harsh against them. Meanwhile if you don't micro your infantry they get blown away by your own tank splash. Not impossible to deal with, but harder than people give it credit for.


I don't know about that. I think maybe Ghost Snipe might be pretty deadly against BLs as well. I don't think Vikings are the one and only answer. Though I'm on the other side of the matchup, so I certainly could be wrong.
The KY
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United Kingdom6252 Posts
January 09 2011 17:42 GMT
#15828
On January 10 2011 00:27 DoubleReed wrote:
Show nested quote +
I think BL's are underrated...all you can get against it is vikings, and the brood lord/corrupter combo is pretty harsh against them. Meanwhile if you don't micro your infantry they get blown away by your own tank splash. Not impossible to deal with, but harder than people give it credit for.


I don't know about that. I think maybe Ghost Snipe might be pretty deadly against BLs as well. I don't think Vikings are the one and only answer. Though I'm on the other side of the matchup, so I certainly could be wrong.


Aren't BL's massive units? Does snipe do any good against massive units? I don't know and I can't be bothered to open the unit tester ^_^

But still...ghosts are soooo expensive, and they take up valuable barracks time. I'm not saying they aren't good against zerg for those that know how, but I'm not sure if it's a valid option.

And maybe vikings aren't the be all and end all, but I think if they aren't your main anti BL unit then you're probably doing it wrong. The way to beat corruptor/BL mixes is usually using thors to back up the vikings.
TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
January 09 2011 17:55 GMT
#15829
On January 10 2011 02:42 The KY wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 10 2011 00:27 DoubleReed wrote:
I think BL's are underrated...all you can get against it is vikings, and the brood lord/corrupter combo is pretty harsh against them. Meanwhile if you don't micro your infantry they get blown away by your own tank splash. Not impossible to deal with, but harder than people give it credit for.


I don't know about that. I think maybe Ghost Snipe might be pretty deadly against BLs as well. I don't think Vikings are the one and only answer. Though I'm on the other side of the matchup, so I certainly could be wrong.


Aren't BL's massive units? Does snipe do any good against massive units? I don't know and I can't be bothered to open the unit tester ^_^

But still...ghosts are soooo expensive, and they take up valuable barracks time. I'm not saying they aren't good against zerg for those that know how, but I'm not sure if it's a valid option.

And maybe vikings aren't the be all and end all, but I think if they aren't your main anti BL unit then you're probably doing it wrong. The way to beat corruptor/BL mixes is usually using thors to back up the vikings.


You can snipe broodlords. They have quite a bit of health though. I think it'd help a whole lot more to use the EMP ability though.
escruting
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain229 Posts
January 09 2011 20:59 GMT
#15830
anyone else noticing a lot of "ghosting" lately in day9's videos?
My Life for Aiur
Swarls
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia193 Posts
January 10 2011 00:12 GMT
#15831
Hey Day[9]
What is the ETA on that special daily that you promised for episode 200:D
"Your a zorg!" - Nerf Herder
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 00:14:25
January 10 2011 00:14 GMT
#15832
On January 10 2011 09:12 Swarls wrote:
Hey Day[9]
What is the ETA on that special daily that you promised for episode 200:D

Soon

I guess.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Mr Tambourine Man
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands190 Posts
January 10 2011 00:22 GMT
#15833
On January 09 2011 18:44 Okmanl wrote:
Daily # 234

Stephano won because he went for an army composition that incorporated units from all stages of the Zerg's tech tree (early, mid, late -- roach, infestor, broodlord), not because he had some insane timing push, that Day9 leads us to believe.

It seems that Stephano's style of play might favor macro-oriented players, because essentially, the goal is to focus on early expanding, choosing units that will help best keep you alive, and then teching to your final unit before pushing. For example, a Terran player, mimicking Stephano's style of play might opt for an early expansion, and then rely solely on marines, and siege tanks to stay alive, and then tech to BCs. BCs eliminate any dangers posed to the marines/siege tanks and vice versa.

Another point I'd like to touch on is that I don't think that the hive was early at all like what day 9 pointed out. It was standard timing for a zerg player who (I assume) inteded on getting an early-mid-late army composition all along. It only seemed "early", because most Zerg players only BLs and ultras when their current early-mid game unit composition fails to win the game.


Wow, in your first post on teamliquid you claim to understand the game better than Day9..
I mean, in that first statement you don't even say stuff as "I personally think", or "possibly", but just state it as fact, crazy stuff man.
I'm all for looking at stuff critically and not blindly following someone, but still..
Okmanl
Profile Joined August 2010
United States4 Posts
January 10 2011 01:55 GMT
#15834
On January 10 2011 09:22 Mr Tambourine Man wrote:
Wow, in your first post on teamliquid you claim to understand the game better than Day9..
I mean, in that first statement you don't even say stuff as "I personally think", or "possibly", but just state it as fact, crazy stuff man.
I'm all for looking at stuff critically and not blindly following someone, but still..



Point out where I claimed that I knew the game better than Day 9.

Also, we're both intelligent people, it should be obvious when someone is stating an opinion or a fact. You don't need to type "imho" to be able to differentiate the two. Do you start off every essay with, "I personally think"? Anyways, the whole "imo/imho" is completely unnecessary imo.
SilverPotato
Profile Joined July 2010
United States560 Posts
January 10 2011 02:39 GMT
#15835
I've given up on the daily, is only Zerg and Protoss dailies...
"The ability to learn faster than your competitors may be the only sustainable competitive advantage." ~Arie de Geus
Deleted User 108965
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
1096 Posts
January 10 2011 02:44 GMT
#15836
On January 10 2011 11:39 SilverPotato wrote:
I've given up on the daily, is only Zerg and Protoss dailies...


he did one last week on tlo that was terran
Disciple....Top 3 control in Clarion County
AJMcSpiffy
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States1154 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 03:15:51
January 10 2011 02:48 GMT
#15837
Is today also a prerecorded daily or is he back live again?

Edit: It's live, hooray!
If the quarter was in your right hand, that would've been micro
BetterFasterStronger
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States604 Posts
January 10 2011 02:53 GMT
#15838
Day9 if you can please contact me, my company is interested in sponsoring you. My email is betterfasterstronger@live.com or you can PM me here.
Top 200 as Protoss - Switched to Terran. 0-30 against EGiNcontroL... God damnet
sjschmidt93
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2518 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 03:16:40
January 10 2011 03:07 GMT
#15839
Anyone get that last song? Bah, every time I hear it I love it. Try'd to Shazam it but he stopped it (((

All I catch is "...what it takes to get high..."
My grandpa could've proxied better, and not only does he have arthritis, he's also dead. -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
Kirb
Profile Joined April 2010
Germany900 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-10 03:55:23
January 10 2011 03:12 GMT
#15840
Wasn't Morrow vs kiwikaki the requested match? ^^ I'm confused. :D

Edit: Nvm..
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