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On January 09 2011 14:09 Foxt wrote:
Yes, but still, macroing while doing marines vs banelings is not possible.
If you cannot place queues, then your macro takes a break at this specific micro situation.
And i am talking about ONLY MARINES VS BANELINGS nothing else
The point is that you dont have the money to queue up units.
It's as simple as that.
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On January 09 2011 09:36 Providence wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 09:24 Foxt wrote:
And to note: I am talking ONLY about marine vs baneling micro which is hardest micro in the game. I guarantee you ling micro is by far more difficult than marine micro
i disagree, if you fail to micro vs lings you won't lose 40 marines to 1
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Yes, in order to become a good player, you need to be able to make educated comporimises regarding macro.
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On January 09 2011 15:00 Slithice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 14:09 Foxt wrote:
Yes, but still, macroing while doing marines vs banelings is not possible.
If you cannot place queues, then your macro takes a break at this specific micro situation.
And i am talking about ONLY MARINES VS BANELINGS nothing else The point is that you dont have the money to queue up units. It's as simple as that.
If you dont have money to macro when microing takes place, then you cant help it.
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On January 09 2011 15:01 Foxt wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 15:00 Slithice wrote:On January 09 2011 14:09 Foxt wrote:
Yes, but still, macroing while doing marines vs banelings is not possible.
If you cannot place queues, then your macro takes a break at this specific micro situation.
And i am talking about ONLY MARINES VS BANELINGS nothing else The point is that you dont have the money to queue up units. It's as simple as that. If you dont have money to macro when microing takes place, then you cant help it.
Before the fight -> constant production -> money close to 0
Fight begins -> 2 possibilities -> you continue normal production and your money is close to 0
-> you dont continue production and your money adds up.
I dont get how u can queue up before the fight even starts, perhaps you needed an additionnal barrack 1 or 2 minutes ago.
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I am talking about situation, where you know that you are soon engaging to combat with banelings then you possibly could arrange your macro to fit for queuing.
If banelings come by surprise, then your macro stops if you wanna micro your marines properly.
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On January 09 2011 15:01 Foxt wrote:
Yes, in order to become a good player, you need to be able to make educated comporimises regarding macro.
Exactly. Find me a game where a pro doesn't queue, period. Jinro queues. FoxeR queues. Though they don't queue all the time, that still doesn't stop them from queuing one or two extra units from time to time, especially if they have a sufficient economy to support it.
It would be ideal to never queue, but if you need to spend over 25 seconds microing marines against banelings, then you are technically not macroing well since the un-queued barracks will be idle for some time.
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On January 09 2011 15:06 Foxt wrote:
I am talking about situation, where you know that you are soon engaging to combat with banelings then you possibly could arrange your macro to fit for queuing.
If banelings come by surprise, then your macro stops if you wanna micro your marines properly.
Even if I know im about to start a battle, i dont receive extra money that would allow me to queue up...
If the banelings come by surprise, my macro stops then I get back to macroing (assuming im not dead) but im not gonna queue up. If my money is really high im gonna lay down some additionnal unit producing structure...
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On January 09 2011 15:11 Slithice wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 15:06 Foxt wrote:
I am talking about situation, where you know that you are soon engaging to combat with banelings then you possibly could arrange your macro to fit for queuing.
If banelings come by surprise, then your macro stops if you wanna micro your marines properly. Even if I know im about to start a battle, i dont receive extra money that would allow me to queue up...
Try to think where you can snap money from not as urgent parts of macro. And then again, this lands down to general game sense.
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Know why pros queue up now? Because everyone SUCKS at Starcraft2 since its a new game. And since not queuing is the optimal choice you should still strive for that and not queue just because some pros still do it.
Look at Starcraft1, noone queues unless its really late game and in Starcraft1 it´s a lot harder to macro. A LOT.
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Why day9 rarely follows terran gameplay? Basicly all dailies revolves around protoss or zerg.
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On January 09 2011 16:27 Foxt wrote:
Why day9 rarely follows terran gameplay? Basicly all dailies revolves around protoss or zerg.
Its because the viewer base for Day9 is 80% bronze players, and they q.q all day about Terran, so I'd imagine day does less Terran focused dailies because of the fans.
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Its sad, because terran players do not benefit from dailies much.
For example if this kind of episode would have been released for all races it would have been awesome
Day[9] Daily #121 - Plugging Leaks in Silver Level Play
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On January 09 2011 15:08 eviltomahawk wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 15:01 Foxt wrote:
Yes, in order to become a good player, you need to be able to make educated comporimises regarding macro. Exactly. Find me a game where a pro doesn't queue, period. Jinro queues. FoxeR queues. Though they don't queue all the time, that still doesn't stop them from queuing one or two extra units from time to time, especially if they have a sufficient economy to support it. It would be ideal to never queue, but if you need to spend over 25 seconds microing marines against banelings, then you are technically not macroing well since the un-queued barracks will be idle for some time.
Nada is pretty sick regarding that. Sometimes I try to spot him queuing units, and he does. But goddamn, most of the time he unqueues it!
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On January 09 2011 16:27 Foxt wrote:
Why day9 rarely follows terran gameplay? Basicly all dailies revolves around protoss or zerg.
What are you talking about? This past week, only? He has done plenty of Terran-centric gameplay recently. I have no idea what you're going on about.
Hell, the whole newbie tuesday was about marine vs baneling stuff. Not every daily can be about Terran. I was tempted to say "IMO zerg is underrepresented" but that's just because I play zerg.
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On January 09 2011 17:00 DoubleReed wrote:
Hell, the whole newbie tuesday was about marine vs baneling stuff.
No it wasn't
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On January 09 2011 13:58 Foxt wrote:
Stop posting yourself
1. there is reason to queue if microing absolutely gives no space to macro otherwise, marines vs banelings is one of the rare situations where human cannot macro otherwise than queuing or otherhand, trying to get banelings killed before one unit production has ended.
2. I do use hotkeys, dont claim anything opposite.
3. Whats your point? Generally, marine vs. banelings will not give room for macroing manually.
4. The actual thing is opposite
Marines vs banelings requires full time attention slicing your marines, attack moving all those little groups and focusing also to kite them.
Of course, I can eat my words if any of you can proove me wrong by some video footage of actual marine vs. baneling micro while macroing without queuing. Combats shorter than production cycle of one marine do not count.
You're an idiot, marine build time is 25 seconds, or around 20 real time seconds, in a battle vs banelings, how long do you think it's gonna last?
Please, theorycraft more.
I'd actually love to see an example of your world-class marine micro that's so time and attention intensive that you can't press 5 keys in between. PLEASE, show me how good you are, and how AWESOME your micro is, otherwise gtfo and listen to the advice of the rest of the forum.
The only situation that would require queuing is if your macro slipped WHILE you were micro-ing and then you needed to catch up afterwards, or if this is late game and you have 2k/2k floating around, since this is (presumably) neither, you are wrong.
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You are wrong, microing with marines vs. banelings just does not give that spare time to press 5 and then aaa
You have not credited any evidence to proove me wrong, yet. Do that or get out of here.
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On January 09 2011 18:00 Foxt wrote:
You are wrong, microing with marines vs. banelings just does not give that spare time to press 5 and then aaa
You have not credited any evidence to proove me wrong, yet. Do that or get out of here.
Yes it does, your APM is just not enough. Train more and one day you´ll be able to do it yourself. Just because you cant do it doesnt mean that noone can.
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On January 09 2011 18:04 Sl4ktarN wrote:Show nested quote +On January 09 2011 18:00 Foxt wrote:
You are wrong, microing with marines vs. banelings just does not give that spare time to press 5 and then aaa
You have not credited any evidence to proove me wrong, yet. Do that or get out of here. Yes it does, your APM is just not enough. Train more and one day you´ll be able to do it yourself. Just because you cant do it doesnt mean that noone can.
It is not that, it is about humanbeings physical abilities.
Marine vs banelings is just too intense for macroing.
If you disagree, you dont know anything and you are stupid and should get out of here, please.
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