David Kim on potential beta changes (Feb 4th,2013) - Page 5

On February 05 2013 05:20 ACrow wrote:

I like the sound of this. Make it happen please.

On February 05 2013 05:24 Grapefruit wrote:


Do you even play HotS?

On February 05 2013 05:20 Fuyihken wrote:
Yeah, I play LoL but I get really bored with it quickly compared to SC2. There just isn't as much to do in LoL, not to mention the player community is a stinking sesspool of 13 year olds...

Is DOTA 2 any good? I haven't tried it yet.

On February 05 2013 05:25 c0sm0naut wrote:
dota 2 is great

its far more skilled than LoL,

On February 05 2013 05:34 Fuyihken wrote:


Sold, researching DOTA 2 now

On February 05 2013 05:20 Fuyihken wrote:
Yeah, I play LoL but I get really bored with it quickly compared to SC2. There just isn't as much to do in LoL, not to mention the player community is a stinking sesspool of 13 year olds...

Is DOTA 2 any good? I haven't tried it yet.

On February 05 2013 06:12 c0sm0naut wrote:
if they listened to the community on everything we'd be in a bad place: taken at 3:10 from blizzards HOTS forums

"Zergs should refuse to play HOTS until they are given a legitimate way to deal with skytoss.

You know there's a terrifying problem with this game when you are ahead of the macro game the entire match and a 200/200 army of hydralisks can't deal with voidrays cost-efficiently. Either buff the hydralisk or nerf the hell out of voidrays.

inb4 "learn to micro against overcharge!!11" We are. Hydralisks are still getting crapped on when not engaging vs overcharge"

"not gonna lie im really considering being done with hots to. Zergs got nothing to keep me interested. Im tired of losing my entire army to a few widow mines, sick of feeling like i have no choice but to mass drones while everyeone else gets to do whatever they please for 10 minutes just to make it to late game so i can get steamrolled by whatever deathball they come up with. Doesnt help that i have an equal value army that gets crushed by things im suppose to counter because of the massive amounts of aoe in this game. I dont see a zerg advantage anymore. I honestly dont think zerg is the most mobile race. Especially now that i have to tip toe around the map cuz i can lose everything to just a few mines. My ability to outnumber them never comes into play because of the aoe in the game and the fact that half my supply is mandatory for economy. I had high hopes for hots and still do but the fact that blizz is completely absent from the beta isnt helping things either."

"I agree with the OP and can not for the life of me understand why zergs pre purchased hots just to make a usless unit we had somewhat viable and one new awsome unit and then the polar opposite for are other unit to replace the hydras as worst unit in game (yea sh).

yea blizz wants to encourage mixed units problam is they only do it to zergs it has always taken 3-4 unit comps to beat one massed unit from the others and that is just poor design. Also only race in game whos early game units become 100% useless latter in the game. not sure what HOTS will look like 6+ months in and cant really care anymore in WOL you have zergs going mass spine/inf/brood after trying all kinds of roach/hydra, ling/bane/muta later they realized the units are just trash (doesnt take a genius just look at the unit stats bw - wol vs the others rines and zealot buffed ling nerfed/hydras super nerfed) then half the SWARM's pop is tied up back home LOL such a bad design."

"As I have stated before, I just gave every zerg a way to always win in ZvP. I cannot even recall losing a ZvP past the 15 minute mark this whole season vs High Masters - Mid GM's. So I please ask for zergs to try this out, I will even make a guide on it soon for TL and these Battlenet forums. But in the meantime don't complain about skytoss because there ARE ways to beat it, you just have to try an entirely different composition than in WoL. Also I have not had to make a single infestor at all in all my games this season." < THIS COMMENT IS IGNORED

"The combination is absurd. It's like marine tank, only stronger, easier to micro, and cheaper to make. I just played a macro ZvT with a diamond Terran (I'm playing and beating high master zerg and protoss by the way) and he literally did nothing except expand slowly, make sensor towers, and widow mine bio.

I threw a lot of different armies at him, every single one he beat with widow mine + bio. All he did was stim, run away, let the widow mines activate, turn around, and kill whatever was left.

Ultralisk clearly aren't the answer. Lings used to be zerg's best choice against bio (pure roach or roach hydra is actually very weak vs. pure stim bio with medivac support), but it only takes 2-4 widow mines to make any number of lings 100% worthless in the engagement. I tried vipers but he simply ran away until blinding cloud was gone (and then all my vipers died to the widow mines lol).

I tried hydralisk, but they can't compete with bio in a straight up fight so you can't get to the widow mines. I've tried infestors before (not in this game), all they do is presplit their army and snipe anything that gets too close. I've tried swarm hosts and died to mass drops (you actually can't move out against bio with swarm hosts unless your opponent is bad/lets you), and yes, I made a lot of spines, I've left 1-2 swarm hosts behind to defend bases, I've tried nydus, and none of it has worked.

I like to think I'm not bad at this game, but when I'm taking games off of grandmaster zergs in ZvZ (long macro games mind you, not 14/14 all ins) and I'm competing with high masters Protoss with relative ease, but I'm losing to diamond terrans who do literally nothing, I think there's a serious problem with balance.

Here's my most recent replay. This is the one that really sent me over the edge. I'm usually pretty reasonable about balance but Terran is just driving me insane lately."

"The problem was that the Tempest took too much of an investment to use for what it was. The cost for them was insane, 300/300, stargate, fleet beacon, 200/200 range upgrade, 6 supply, insanely long build times....

Since Tempests required such a huge investment and had such a slow fire rate all your opponent had to do was attack as soon as they realized you were going tempests and win the game. That's when Protoss players would get mad and say the tempest sucked.

All you needed to do was decrease their cost/ build time. Then everything would have been fine. But you guys decided to make Tempests into a glorified super viking that also shoots ground units.

Now the Tempest is just a boring 1A mass up and win unit with no counter. Please change the Tempest back to how it used to be with long range and a slow fire rate, but with reduced cost and build times."

this is their level of feedback, the forums there are literally 3/4s whine threads about how weak zerg is, or how OP some new unit is. the rest of the threads are helpful suggestions that get taken to troll hell by these players. i really feel like keeping our feedback on HOTS in the teamliquid forums is hurting this game a lot because this is the feedback they are responding to guys... Do you really think the player whining about widow mines is going toe to toe with GM zergs in zvz? fuck no, he's terribad and describing possibly the worst strategy you can do vs mines/bio... Blizzard sees these things and responds, we need to actually post shit there or the game is going to be balanced for idiots again