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On February 01 2013 05:42 JonIrenicus wrote:
I was able to notice that mech is not strong against swarm host. I had always to tech to bc when the zerg opponent made the swarm host. Am I the only one who use to have so many problems agianst SH when meching?
Mass tanks are a good vs it so that the locusts never reach your army. And that's what mech in hots is atm is literally pure siege tank  .
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On February 01 2013 04:57 blade55555 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 01:36 Kambing wrote:On January 31 2013 13:21 blade55555 wrote:Hey guys I figured this would be a good place to post these replays that feature only swarmhost type of play. This will feature mainly in zvp and 2 games of zvt (vs mech, I will never do them vs bio as I am like 0-15 or so with it lol) and 1 game of zvz. I will update this with some more for zvz and what not in the future and will bump this thread so keep an eye on that. This also has my replay of me vs seed as well. You guys will notice this is all macro oriented swarmhosts and not all in or anything. Hope you guys enjoy! http://www.mediafire.com/?wpoizw3y33ysp9jThis will also feature transitioning. You don't want to remain on swarmhosts all game that's never a good idea you should be teching + expanding and all that while using swarm hosts effectively. You're having the opposite experience than me, Blade. I've found swarm hosts effective against mech (as a cover into brood lords). Host/hydra/corruptor was working well in zvp for me until Protoss figured out how to either punch through it or go around host lines with blink stalkers. In zvz, I've never found a way to be comfortable with hosts as zerg armies are too mobile. =/ (EDIT: and goddamnit blade, don't rar things! >_<) Why don't you like rar things? 
Totally off-topic: rar is the betamax of the compression wars!
And on topic: how have protoss been responding to your swarm host play? In the swarmhost cloud reply, the protoss stays turtled at their third. Some of this is forced by your pressure, but what's stopped me from keeping up host play in zvp is the protoss that builds up just enough at home to parry hosts and then backstabs with blink stalkers or prism play. This might be more of a map/positioning thing, though.
(The zvp swarmhost cloud replay seems to be corrupted or otherwise not playable in the current client.)
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On February 01 2013 06:00 Kambing wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2013 04:57 blade55555 wrote:On February 01 2013 01:36 Kambing wrote:On January 31 2013 13:21 blade55555 wrote:Hey guys I figured this would be a good place to post these replays that feature only swarmhost type of play. This will feature mainly in zvp and 2 games of zvt (vs mech, I will never do them vs bio as I am like 0-15 or so with it lol) and 1 game of zvz. I will update this with some more for zvz and what not in the future and will bump this thread so keep an eye on that. This also has my replay of me vs seed as well. You guys will notice this is all macro oriented swarmhosts and not all in or anything. Hope you guys enjoy! http://www.mediafire.com/?wpoizw3y33ysp9jThis will also feature transitioning. You don't want to remain on swarmhosts all game that's never a good idea you should be teching + expanding and all that while using swarm hosts effectively. You're having the opposite experience than me, Blade. I've found swarm hosts effective against mech (as a cover into brood lords). Host/hydra/corruptor was working well in zvp for me until Protoss figured out how to either punch through it or go around host lines with blink stalkers. In zvz, I've never found a way to be comfortable with hosts as zerg armies are too mobile. =/ (EDIT: and goddamnit blade, don't rar things! >_<) Why don't you like rar things? Totally off-topic: rar is the betamax of the compression wars! And on topic: how have protoss been responding to your swarm host play? In the swarmhost cloud reply, the protoss stays turtled at their third. Some of this is forced by your pressure, but what's stopped me from keeping up host play in zvp is the protoss that builds up just enough at home to parry hosts and then backstabs with blink stalkers or prism play. This might be more of a map/positioning thing, though. (The zvp swarmhost cloud replay seems to be corrupted or otherwise not playable in the current client.)
Hm not sure why that would be might have put a bad one in on accident. As for the reply most are contained and you need to be very minimap aware because yes backstabs and stuff can be a pain.
A few replays show case them trying this (blink stalker run around, warp prism drops) watch me vs TT1 as an example for warp prism most tosses do try this.
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Oh btw, I really suggest all of you to watch replay named "Immo all in 1" vs. XionS. Great game, with constant action, and when you killed both Nexuses at once, he proceed to kill your 4th and 3rd, and then when you did all those Lings, Swarm Hosts and Locusts flanks and surrounds, as Artosis would said, nerd chills man. :D
I really like how is the Zerg shaping in the middle game at the moment. Seen a lot of different strategies lately, Swarm Hosts, Roaches with Hydras, Mutalisks, Infestors, basically every tech is viable(not in all situations of course), and late game, Ultras are a lot better thanks to the buffs and Vipers.
I just hope that we have a lot of viable strategies like this, would really not like something like Swarm Hosts to become mandatory, what happened to Infestors in WoL...
Still didn't finish all of the replays, keep them coming! 
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Thx for this !
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Swarm Hosts are awesome, thanks for posting this Blade!
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And btw, you accidentally uploaded the wrong replay(or you named it wrong), Blade vs Todeskampf is the same replay as Blade vs TT1.
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All right guys I just added 5 new replays (4 zvp 1 zvt) of swarmhost action.
Still don't believe swarmhosts are the answer verse immortal all in? There is another replay with that in action!
http://www.mediafire.com/?usdy2prgd632i2v
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Gonna check those reps.
I personally found SHs best in ZvZ if zerg goes into ground army. I open muta (<10), and harass him while building SH army. When he moves out it's usually quite one sided, but it can be because i am playing little bit weaker opponents so not sure.
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On February 01 2013 18:53 Alpina wrote:
Gonna check those reps.
I personally found SHs best in ZvZ if zerg goes into ground army. I open muta (<10), and harass him while building SH army. When he moves out it's usually quite one sided, but it can be because i am playing little bit weaker opponents so not sure.
I'm still not sure how good they are zvz. I have won most of the time I did it and so far 1-0 when i did it again but it wasn't verse a really good zerg so I am not sure.
All I know is I love them zvp ^^.
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awesome! thanks, downloaded and will check em out
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Always enjoying your replays Blade !
So are you fedup with the ground ball + viper style ?
Or do you try some SH play to learn every aspect of the game ?
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Can't wait for some more replays.
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How do you deal with Good toss on the beta who go into sky toss? Tempest/void/storms stream roll the swarm/corrupter/infestor like no other. And as above said alot of the toss I play on the beta go into blink stalker avoid the swarm lines, turtle up with cannons, then tran into a sky deathball that rolls over you in the late game.
I seen LZ make it work, but he pushes and ends the game before toss can get his 3rd up, pretty early push with mass lings/swarm/mutas
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Sup blade, Zodex44 from your stream here . Just held an mmortal all in trying this for the first time. Didn't check out any replays or really know what your general build is, just did stand 15p/16h with 2 gas at 6:00 as per usual. Worked out really well though .
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Noticed you never upgrade missile attack while locusts get huge boost in damage considering their fast attack speed.
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This sounds great. Really wanted Swarm hosts to be viable in at least some match-ups and versus certain compositions. Going to watch these when I get home (next week T_T). Thanks for uploading!
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On February 01 2013 23:09 Orzabal wrote:
Always enjoying your replays Blade !
So are you fedup with the ground ball + viper style ?
Or do you try some SH play to learn every aspect of the game ?
Well I was strugggling zvp really bad. So I started experimenting with swarmhosts and and found out their really good. Of course you don't want to open swarmhost vs 2 stargate voidray or anything and do mutalisks instead.
Swarmhost/muta are both fun strats that I have pretty good success with.
On February 02 2013 00:33 LingBlingBling wrote:
How do you deal with Good toss on the beta who go into sky toss? Tempest/void/storms stream roll the swarm/corrupter/infestor like no other. And as above said alot of the toss I play on the beta go into blink stalker avoid the swarm lines, turtle up with cannons, then tran into a sky deathball that rolls over you in the late game.
I seen LZ make it work, but he pushes and ends the game before toss can get his 3rd up, pretty early push with mass lings/swarm/mutas
There is a replay of it with seed where he gets the mass sky toss (although he stopped going voids and went pur etempest/templar which isnt' as hard to deal with as pure voids xD).
Also as I said as well some of these replays (a lot) show case the protoss going around and trying to avoid the swarmhosts all together. They blink and try to go snipe bases, etc. YYou will see how I handle those with the reps as so far they have never been very successful.
Sky toss though once they get a high supply count of voidray/templar is unbeatable. No idea how a zerg can ever beat it but thank god most tosses I play either don't know best methods to do it or know it's broken as shit and will get patched or just don't realize how strong it is.
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On February 02 2013 03:57 blade55555 wrote:Of course you don't want to open swarmhost vs 2 stargate voidray or anything and do mutalisks instead.
Mutas vs. 2 stargate? :O Sounds like suicide XD
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