Burrow at tier 1 - officially! - Page 4

On January 15 2013 08:10 McBrungus wrote:


How late are you building your Nexus that a Zerg would be able to block it with a burrowed unit? You still have to get the gas and research the ability, you know.

On January 15 2013 08:36 Existor wrote:

Too much new things around new units. Reapers should recieve soft-detection.


Sensors =\= detectors. Remember sensor tower? It does not detects, but just spots units in fog of war. Same for Reapers spotting burrowed units (not only in fog of war)

On January 15 2013 09:09 ineversmile wrote:

I'm talking about taking a third base.

On January 15 2013 09:10 Grumbels wrote:

How about a one-time use ability per reaper? - a bit similar to flare in WC3 for the mortar team.

On January 15 2013 08:36 Existor wrote:

Too much new things around new units. Reapers should recieve soft-detection.


Sensors =\= detectors. Remember sensor tower? It does not detects, but just spots units in fog of war. Same for Reapers spotting burrowed units (not only in fog of war)

On January 15 2013 09:13 willoc wrote:


That's a pretty cool idea for the reaper! Would make them awesome at taking out tumors as well!

On January 15 2013 09:21 Excludos wrote:
the "burrow unit at third base" is going to be annoying to deal with... The only problem I have with this is that it sortof forces protoss to open robotics again. Yes, the oracle have an ability to detect burrow, but its limited by energy. And if there is going to be burrowed zerg units across the entire map, then I fear it wont be enough. Well, we'll still have to wait and see.

• It does not ruins ZvX, because delays Lair-tech, meaning mobile detection, better anti-air and other tools.

• It does not ruins ZvP, because protoss always starts with photon at Nexus-expand, so they can quickly clear burrowed Zergling and easily place expand. For 3rd base they have observers/Oracle to detect (Oracle got Core's Envision after Patch #11), and they can place quickly pylon-photon to clear burrowed Zergling too.

• It refreshes ZvZ and turns early game into more positional, forcing Zerg-attacker go into tier2 instead trying to kill opponent at early game stages. With nerfed Fungal Growth against armored units it can be more interesting too. So if one Zerg did burrow, he delays Lair with all it tech like faster Roaches, Infestors, Mutalisks or other options, but it allows to defend better at tier1. Also if you know, where enemy unit is burrowed, you can explode one Baneling and kill burrowed unit without detection.

• It does not ruins ZvT. Terran can already deny 3rd expand for zerg by burrowing Widow Mine. I'm not saying, is that effective or not, but Terran can unlike Zerg. Terran have scans and can build turrets anywhere. Zerg spores can be built only on creep. Also it will allow to deny Terran expand a bit, like Terran can do it now with Reaper, bunker-marine rush, Widow Mine and mixes of these units.

On January 15 2013 09:33 Grumbels wrote:

Or they could have sensor towers sense burrowed units, just not detect them.

On January 15 2013 09:18 Nightshade_ wrote:

That ruins strategy. the whole POINT of burrow is to surprise your opponent, if you just have the magic unit you make 1 of because it doesnt need tech lab anymore run around the map you go "LOLOLOL" and run around baneling traps or lingroach traps etc.

On January 15 2013 09:18 Nightshade_ wrote:

That ruins strategy. the whole POINT of burrow is to surprise your opponent, if you just have the magic unit you make 1 of because it doesnt need tech lab anymore run around the map you go "LOLOLOL" and run around baneling traps or lingroach traps etc.

On January 15 2013 09:35 Existor wrote:

Oracle can detect and kill it, but will you defend your 3rd base with photons? Maybe better start with pylon-photon and then place nexus?

On January 15 2013 10:55 ineversmile wrote:


So now we have to build a pylon and a cannon before taking our third? That's 300 more minerals and significant build time that should just be starting the nexus immediately.

Another option I wish Blizzard would experiment with is Hatch based Spawn Creep for Overlords so you could knock on the door of Protoss and Terran wall offs earlier, maybe combined with decreasing Spine Crawlers Burrow time to 3 seconds so you could aggressively walk them over to your opponent's base instead of proxy them.