EPT2 weeks later..... ok fungal is bad + 2 range
Can someone explain to me, I m just too dumb to understand ^^
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DzIcetea
France3 Posts
2 weeks later..... ok fungal is bad + 2 range Can someone explain to me, I m just too dumb to understand ^^ | ||
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ReachTheSky
United States3294 Posts
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EliteSK
Korea (South)251 Posts
Do infestors even have 10 vision? | ||
knOxStarcraft
Canada422 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:00 KrazyTrumpet wrote: I have never been happy about the spell works, and every time I see Blizzard is changing fungal, I get let down when it's not a change to the freeze. Every other change is 100% pointless until that is addressed. I don't even really know what to say to this... so infestors are completely imbalanced in your eyes until fungal isn't a freeze? lol | ||
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Oukka
Finland1683 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:41 droken wrote: 0.5 seconds is a shorter reaction time than the average human being - hell I even think it's faster than everyone except the maybe top 0.02%. Now, I know that this might be intended as a threshold for people to get into GM (they have fast enough reactions to dodge fungals) but I really feel like this is only going to have a real effect on people already playing at the GM level. For everyone else, this is basically making the fungal growth instant again which will bring back the mass-infestor playstyles of current WoL. : / There is not only delay in dodging the fungal, but also in launching it. Your average ladder Joe cannot time his fungals so that they'd hit the moving units as he wants, either he'll be late and miss the front row or he'll evaluate the unit movement speed wrong and hit too far ahead of the enemy units. The point is that fungal is not instantaneous for the caster either. I could see a problem somewhere in masters, where maybe the APM doesn't quite allow to dodge the projectile and simultaneously the players (especially the zerg one in this case) know their units and their speeds so that it is easier to aim fungals to place where the units will be instead of where they were. At pro-level this means that fast splitting is now worth it when the units still have time to spread out. This rewards micro for both sides as it should. Now casters yelling "beautiful fungals!" should mean that zerg player has been able to evaluate the pathings and still send the fungal in time. Way better than it used to be, "beautiful fungals!" meant just that zerg has gotten their infestors ready. | ||
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Advantageous
China1350 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
Infestor buff? Why. Why do you buff the infestor!? 10 range? 15 speed instead of 10 (idk how much of a difference that will be). Seriously blizzard you guys were doing so good until this patch... Widow mine nerf? The attack nerf is dumb if they are to strong vs units like banshees REMOVE THEIR AA and make them 1 supply to compensate for that removal, then there is a more direct counter to mines anyway so 1 supply shouldn't be that big of a deal. Blink nerf was random though lol. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:02 EliteSK wrote: so....vikings range 9. fungal range 10... how do I snipe/emp infestors that basically don't need to be even close to a fight to fungal... Fungal becoming a total siege/artillery spell better than 13 range tanks... Do infestors even have 10 vision? It has 10 sight range http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Infestor | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:02 knOxStarcraft wrote: I don't even really know what to say to this... so infestors are completely imbalanced in your eyes until fungal isn't a freeze? lol The freezing of units is BY FAR the biggest issue, and the biggest complaint about fungal. Have you been living under a rock for the past 6+ months? | ||
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Dodgin
Canada39254 Posts
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Thezzy
Netherlands2117 Posts
First claim that Fungal Growth will be dealt with only to buff it beyond WoL by giving it more range. Vikings and Ghosts are just going to get hit even easier now. | ||
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MrMatt
Canada225 Posts
I hope they can find a place for infestors to be used as a support unit where zerg would have maybe a few but not 1 million like in wings. Seems like they are pretty deadset on not trying a slow though so maybe the projectile will help. | ||
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Prome7heus
7 Posts
The other changes are fine, though I think the blink nerf is a bit heavy handed. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:00 iEchoic wrote: I'm really confused as to why David Kim won't let go of fungal growth. Nobody likes it, it's not fun to use, not fun to play against, not fun to watch. The spell is poorly designed, and despite community consensus that the ability sucks, we're going to give it 10 range and make it move 50% faster? Why can't we let this awful spell die or get re-designed? The current blizzard seem to have a problem where they cling desperately to everything in their game. They don't want to admit they're wrong and the community is right, ever. Think how ridiculously long some fucking stupid things have been in the game. Think of the awful maps still in the ladder map pool. It's actually really, really hurting their game. | ||
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marcjpb
Canada64 Posts
I like how people freak out and QQ and say stuff like : I know its beta but its in is last stage, so should be balance. WoL wasnt even balance at launch, yet you expect an expansion pack most pro dont spend time on to be balance few months before release ? In what eutopia do you live. Blizzard doing change like this to promote a certain composition and they do it more drastically because its a beta. People need to chill out, play game and check what are the actual impact. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:04 MrMatt wrote: maybe they are bracketing with fungal? the last patch made noone use them so now they will make them OP to see so people deal with the projectile then they can play around with other things. I donno. Whoever wrote that it seems to all stem from the widowmine is my thinking too. I hope they can find a place for infestors to be used as a support unit where zerg would have maybe a few but not 1 million like in wings. Seems like they are pretty deadset on not trying a slow though so maybe the projectile will help. The trouble being that now the projectile is so fast you can't avoid it, unless you have the most godly reaction times anyone has seen in this world. Oh and it also has 10 range now... | ||
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Vortun
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sjperera
Canada349 Posts
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Jacmert
Canada1709 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:01 Prog455 wrote: I honestly doubt that it is every going to change. Spells such as Force Fields and Fungal Growth is making it so god damn hard to balance the game, because these two spells have been designed so poorly that they are either mind blowingly OP, or alternatively as crappy as Fungal Growth is right now (Update #9) At least with Forcefields, you still have options against them. You can try and bait them out, or maintain a decent position in an open area, or if you're Terran you can emergency pickup away or if you're Protoss, you can potentially blink your stalkers out. Or crush them with massive units (archons, colossus, ultras, thors). Really, with forcefields, you rarely see an ACTUAL lock-in (i.e. units are trapped) with forcefields unless it's on a ramp. And when a player DOES manage to get a full lock in on a semi-open or completely open area, it's very exciting to watch as a spectator (because it's so hard and rare). With fungals, it's auto-freeze. And it's frustrating either way - if the fungal isn't enough to swing the battle in the Zerg's favor, then it's frustrating to see the units frozen for a bit, and then continue on as the opposing army crushes the Zerg. Imagine watching the Zerg you're cheering on get some emergency fungals off, but the medivacs just heal away or the other Protoss units just walk around their frozen comrades and continue the push. And if the fungal IS enough to break the opposing army, it's frustrating, too, because you see their army just frozen in place, and there's nothing they can do about it as their units slowly lose HP. I am sick of fungal, whether it's helping the player I'm cheering for or hurting that player. It's now an annoying mechanic to me. Also, that was a pretty sick pun (oops, I did it again)  | ||
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logikly
United States329 Posts
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