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Adreme
Profile Joined June 2011
United States5574 Posts
December 18 2012 22:07 GMT
#161
On December 19 2012 07:03 Dodgin wrote:
Why are they nerfing Blink? I don't get it =/


I would assume like with all build time nerfs it was because of a blink timing they didnt like (either in PvZ or PvT). I dont know about hots meta but blink is kinda strong in WoL at early points so who knows.
knOxStarcraft
Profile Joined March 2012
Canada422 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:09:04
December 18 2012 22:07 GMT
#162
[QUOTE]On December 19 2012 07:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 19 2012 07:02 knOxStarcraft wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 19 2012 07:00 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 19 2012 06:57 knOxStarcraft wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 19 2012 06:54 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
[QUOTE]On December 19 2012 06:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Omg you people, I posted this earlier but I'll say again - fungal is still a projectile and INFESTED TERRANS STILL SUCK. They didn't buff infestors to where they were before, they just made them a viable option, which is good considering how strong bio is now. It also starts to fix the muta only play in zvz. As for broodlord infestor now; in zvp roach hydra viper seems like a better composition from the mid to late game anyways and toss has tempest now which counters broodlords, not to mention carriers are amazing now. In zvt, the medivac buffs will allow for better multiprong attacking (MMA and Polt omgggggg) against broodlord infestor, and when going mech there will already be a buff to air armor so thor/air combos will be very good I think. [/QUOTE]

Fungal still fucking freezes units. I will not be happy with the infestor, ever, until this changes.

Infested Terrans are now exactly where they should be. Tank shot fodder, and good economy harass. They should never have been "mass infestors and spawn free army anywhere you feel like"[/QUOTE]
Good for you... I'm saying why this happened and giving reasons why you shouldn't be freaking out about the change, unless you're just mad about how the spell works and not about the balance of it.[/QUOTE]

I have never been happy about the spell works, and every time I see Blizzard is changing fungal, I get let down when it's not a change to the freeze. Every other change is 100% pointless until that is addressed.[/QUOTE]
I don't even really know what to say to this... so infestors are completely imbalanced in your eyes until fungal isn't a freeze? lol[/QUOTE]
You didn't answer the question, freeze isn't necessarily a balance issue, but more a spectator issue. I'm not saying I agree with the mechanic, hell, I don't even like infestors, but the idea that the freeze mechanic makes them imbalanced is wrong. Also, with infested terrans being so weak I'm really not sure that infestors will be very good, in zvp anyways. The fungal rooted the army, but in most scenarios in high level games, infested terrans were used just as heavily as fungal in battles.
The freezing of units is BY FAR the biggest issue, and the biggest complaint about fungal. Have you been living under a rock for the past 6+ months?

edit: wow i fucked up the formatting of this post pretty badly lol
wUndertUnge
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:09:42
December 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#163
Why are people using the word "is" instead of "could be" or "potentially be" when discussing any of these balance changes? It's not live yet, people.

With that said, I can understand either projectile speed OR range increase (I like the speed increase) but both does seem a little OPness. But all the reactions are so LOLworthy.
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speknek
Profile Joined February 2012
758 Posts
December 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#164
They actually buffed fungal, I'm speechless.
Crawdad
Profile Joined September 2012
614 Posts
December 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#165
So...

How easy was it to dodge the projectile before?
Cattlecruiser
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States340 Posts
December 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#166
Infestor is a terrible unit.
Fungle is a horrendous spell.

Make Infestors a stronger version of BW queens and add BW Defilers.
Fungles should slow units and deal the same damage.
Blizzard insisting on the current fungle effects will lead to infestors being overpowered or underpowered.
Blizzard needs to identify the role they want the infestors to take instead of making arbitrary adjustments to range and damage of fungles.
Burrowed movement should be an upgrade.
Monochromatic
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States1000 Posts
December 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#167
Genuinely curious about this:

Poll: Is the new fungal a...

Buff compared to WoL (50)
 
63%

Nerf compared to WoL (28)
 
35%

About the same as in WoL (2)
 
3%

80 total votes

Your vote: Is the new fungal a...

(Vote): Nerf compared to WoL
(Vote): Buff compared to WoL
(Vote): About the same as in WoL



Anyway, the widow mine change makes it kinda worthless at defending harass, making it an even more offensive unit.

Fungal change is the opposite of what this game needs. Just redesign it and call it done.

Medivac change is fine, might see more BC usage because of it.
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sage_francis
Profile Joined December 2006
France1823 Posts
December 18 2012 22:08 GMT
#168
cant believe they buff fongal .....
HollowLord
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3862 Posts
December 18 2012 22:09 GMT
#169
On December 19 2012 07:05 kollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:04 MrMatt wrote:
maybe they are bracketing with fungal? the last patch made noone use them so now they will make them OP to see so people deal with the projectile then they can play around with other things. I donno. Whoever wrote that it seems to all stem from the widowmine is my thinking too.

I hope they can find a place for infestors to be used as a support unit where zerg would have maybe a few but not 1 million like in wings. Seems like they are pretty deadset on not trying a slow though so maybe the projectile will help.


The trouble being that now the projectile is so fast you can't avoid it, unless you have the most godly reaction times anyone has seen in this world. Oh and it also has 10 range now...


How do you know it's so fast you can't avoid it? You haven't even seen it yet. Them saying 10 > 15 they might as well be saying Glargble > Figglydodee, it makes no sense until you see it in play.
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
December 18 2012 22:09 GMT
#170
On December 19 2012 07:07 Adreme wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:03 Dodgin wrote:
Why are they nerfing Blink? I don't get it =/


I would assume like with all build time nerfs it was because of a blink timing they didnt like (either in PvZ or PvT). I dont know about hots meta but blink is kinda strong in WoL at early points so who knows.


I'm just going to assume that blink + mothership core all ins were too strong, it just sucks that Blink won't be a viable opener in PvP anymore. By the time you get Blink out you're going to die because you invested in tech and they invested in units ( in theory )
Foxyshazam
Profile Joined December 2012
United States38 Posts
December 18 2012 22:09 GMT
#171
On December 19 2012 06:51 tsuxiit wrote:
Ah, wonder if they'll fix the Mac client.

Hahahahahahaha. They would never do that.



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Neramaar
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands9 Posts
December 18 2012 22:09 GMT
#172
On December 19 2012 06:51 tsuxiit wrote:
Ah, wonder if they'll fix the Mac client.

Hahahahahahaha. They would never do that.


They said that they'd fix it in the next patch - this would qualify.
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RockIronrod
Profile Joined May 2011
Australia1369 Posts
December 18 2012 22:09 GMT
#173
Man, people just won't be happy unless fungal is useless.
shid0x
Profile Joined July 2012
Korea (South)5014 Posts
December 18 2012 22:10 GMT
#174
Dat fungal ahah oh wow.

I know its only beta then blizzard likes to troll us freely while they can.
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SxP
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands51 Posts
December 18 2012 22:10 GMT
#175
The problem here is that the people who defend the infestor buffs want infestors to be a core unit. Something you can mass and reliably win games with.

But infestors should not be a core unit, it should be support for the real core zerg army.
Graphix
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
United States208 Posts
December 18 2012 22:10 GMT
#176
this looks like a solid patch. Terran buffs were necessary and the infestor buff was needed because it was so bad in hots. blink seems weird but lets see how it all works out
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KrazyTrumpet
Profile Joined April 2010
United States2520 Posts
December 18 2012 22:10 GMT
#177
On December 19 2012 07:07 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 19 2012 07:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:02 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On December 19 2012 07:00 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On December 19 2012 06:57 knOxStarcraft wrote:
On December 19 2012 06:54 KrazyTrumpet wrote:
On December 19 2012 06:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Omg you people, I posted this earlier but I'll say again - fungal is still a projectile and INFESTED TERRANS STILL SUCK. They didn't buff infestors to where they were before, they just made them a viable option, which is good considering how strong bio is now. It also starts to fix the muta only play in zvz. As for broodlord infestor now; in zvp roach hydra viper seems like a better composition from the mid to late game anyways and toss has tempest now which counters broodlords, not to mention carriers are amazing now. In zvt, the medivac buffs will allow for better multiprong attacking (MMA and Polt omgggggg) against broodlord infestor, and when going mech there will already be a buff to air armor so thor/air combos will be very good I think.


Fungal still fucking freezes units. I will not be happy with the infestor, ever, until this changes.

Infested Terrans are now exactly where they should be. Tank shot fodder, and good economy harass. They should never have been "mass infestors and spawn free army anywhere you feel like"

Good for you... I'm saying why this happened and giving reasons why you shouldn't be freaking out about the change, unless you're just mad about how the spell works and not about the balance of it.


I have never been happy about the spell works, and every time I see Blizzard is changing fungal, I get let down when it's not a change to the freeze. Every other change is 100% pointless until that is addressed.

I don't even really know what to say to this... so infestors are completely imbalanced in your eyes until fungal isn't a freeze? lol

The freezing of units is BY FAR the biggest issue, and the biggest complaint about fungal. Have you been living under a rock for the past 6+ months?

You didn't answer the question, freeze isn't necessarily a balance issue, but more a spectator issue. I'm not saying I agree with the mechanic, hell, I don't even like infestors, but the idea that the freeze mechanic makes them imbalanced is wrong. Also, with infested terrans being so weak I'm really not sure that infestors will be very good, in zvp anyways. The fungal rooted the army, but in most scenarios in high level games, infested terrans were used just as heavily as fungal in battles.


edit: wow i fucked up the formatting of this post pretty badly lol


Freezing is very much a balance issue, are you high?

fixed the formatting
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Teoita
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Italy12248 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:11:41
December 18 2012 22:11 GMT
#178
How about they just take Colossi, shitty tank AI, Infestors and range 5 queens and throw that shit into a fire, to be forgotten forever and ever until the end of time? If something is badly designed it should GTFO, not get buffed to the point of being useful again.

Seriously, Blizzard takes one step forward and two backwards.
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Berceno
Profile Joined May 2012
Spain401 Posts
December 18 2012 22:11 GMT
#179
blizzard must be kidding with the fungal buff, it's to the game like a punch in the face, Dus and Dav are bullying sc2.....
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Snowbear
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Korea (South)1925 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-18 22:13:00
December 18 2012 22:11 GMT
#180
Such a huge fungal buff, mind = blown. A spell so easy to use, doing sick damage, freezing every single unit...

Infestors basicly counter every single unit in the game, and I would be fine with this if ghosts get their old snipe back. Reason for the snipe nerf was that it countered every zerg unit..
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