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On December 19 2012 07:12 NomaKasd wrote:
I like half the changes as a Zerg player. I agree that the fungal growth needed a little buff because it was impossible to catch mutas in ZvZ unless you were playing the game like counter strike and trying to go for the headshot like all the way from dust 2 A into long A pit with a glock. You have to have pure clairvoyance to catch mutas with infestors. I think they should of ONLY increased the range to give the chance to catch mutas BUT also give the marines still the chance to split before fungal catches them but time will tell how this missile speed will affect the game, it might of been slightly slow.
The widow mines I agree were overpowered, especially marine/widow all in was difficult to defend and still put you behind or hellion/banshee/widow to deny your third for ages.
The blink nerf i don't understand that one??????????? did some protoss annoy blizzard or something recently, just say your sorry.
Blink + MsC was ruining PvP. I think with this extra research time you can have an immortal out now by the time the rush hits or something.
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On December 19 2012 07:13 Insoleet wrote:
Guys wake up. 10 range means you actually see the projectile coming from a longer distance ! JUST OPEN YOUR EYES ITS SO OBVIOUS >_<
So much brainless whining there... 10 range = MORE DISTANCE = YOU SEE IT COMING
And if the infestor comes too close... it just dies to tanks and colossi.
Its actually the best way to nerf the infestor if they dont want to remove the root.
Just because Infestors CAN use Fungal from 10 range does not mean they do it every time.
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On December 19 2012 07:10 KrazyTrumpet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:07 knOxStarcraft wrote:On December 19 2012 07:03 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On December 19 2012 07:02 knOxStarcraft wrote:On December 19 2012 07:00 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On December 19 2012 06:57 knOxStarcraft wrote:On December 19 2012 06:54 KrazyTrumpet wrote:On December 19 2012 06:50 knOxStarcraft wrote:
Omg you people, I posted this earlier but I'll say again - fungal is still a projectile and INFESTED TERRANS STILL SUCK. They didn't buff infestors to where they were before, they just made them a viable option, which is good considering how strong bio is now. It also starts to fix the muta only play in zvz. As for broodlord infestor now; in zvp roach hydra viper seems like a better composition from the mid to late game anyways and toss has tempest now which counters broodlords, not to mention carriers are amazing now. In zvt, the medivac buffs will allow for better multiprong attacking (MMA and Polt omgggggg) against broodlord infestor, and when going mech there will already be a buff to air armor so thor/air combos will be very good I think. Fungal still fucking freezes units. I will not be happy with the infestor, ever, until this changes. Infested Terrans are now exactly where they should be. Tank shot fodder, and good economy harass. They should never have been "mass infestors and spawn free army anywhere you feel like" Good for you... I'm saying why this happened and giving reasons why you shouldn't be freaking out about the change, unless you're just mad about how the spell works and not about the balance of it. I have never been happy about the spell works, and every time I see Blizzard is changing fungal, I get let down when it's not a change to the freeze. Every other change is 100% pointless until that is addressed. I don't even really know what to say to this... so infestors are completely imbalanced in your eyes until fungal isn't a freeze? lol The freezing of units is BY FAR the biggest issue, and the biggest complaint about fungal. Have you been living under a rock for the past 6+ months? You didn't answer the question, freeze isn't necessarily a balance issue, but more a spectator issue. I'm not saying I agree with the mechanic, hell, I don't even like infestors, but the idea that the freeze mechanic makes them imbalanced is wrong. Also, with infested terrans being so weak I'm really not sure that infestors will be very good, in zvp anyways. The fungal rooted the army, but in most scenarios in high level games, infested terrans were used just as heavily as fungal in battles. edit: wow i fucked up the formatting of this post pretty badly lol Freezing is very much a balance issue, are you high? fixed the formatting
TY. I'd say the range, damage numbers, and the projectile speed are the balance modifiers. And I did write it wrong, I meant the freeze mechanic isn't what was imbalanced about infestors in the first place, it was the fact that it was so hard to avoid while doing damage, while upgraded infested terrans were killing your units. Now infested terrans melt in a battle and all you need are other units that aren't caught in the fungal to snipe remaining infestors. It will remain to be seen whether that's easy to do or not, but all this QQ is unwarranted for the time being.
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On December 19 2012 06:22 neoghaleon55 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 06:18 Archas wrote:
Were Infestors really so neutered by the previous Fungal Growth change that Blizzard needed to boost the range and missile speed this much?
Serious question, by the way. Actually yes. If you've been playing on ladder, you would know that Terran lately have been making nothing but MMM, tankless. That is because zerg had no AOE to stop it. The short range of fungal coupled with the slow projectile speed, made it very difficult to punish mass bio play. If you cast fungal, it would usually only hit perimeter units, not the center clump of the unit, effectively half the AOE would be wasted.
So between Viper's melee move and fungal and banelings you claim Zergs could not have dealt with MMM? Pros would demolish that/
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On December 19 2012 07:15 HollowLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:14 Teoita wrote:On December 19 2012 07:13 HollowLord wrote:On December 19 2012 07:11 Teoita wrote:
How about they just take Colossi, shitty tank AI, Infestors and range 5 queens and throw that shit into a fire, to be forgotten forever and ever until the end of time? If something is badly designed it should GTFO, not get buffed to the point of being useful again.
Seriously, Blizzard takes one step forward and two backwards. You should never nerf a unit to uselessness. As much as I would love to see Colossi rot in hell for all eternity, you should NEVER nerf a unit to uselessness. Exactly they should remove all that shit, not nerf it. That's an even worse fucking idea and you should be ashamed for thinking it.
No I agree with everything he has said. All the micro-less and anti micro units and abilities should just be taken out of the game. They make if physically painful to watch, and blizzard just shoot themselves in the foot with this.
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Italy12246 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:15 HollowLord wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:14 Teoita wrote:On December 19 2012 07:13 HollowLord wrote:On December 19 2012 07:11 Teoita wrote:
How about they just take Colossi, shitty tank AI, Infestors and range 5 queens and throw that shit into a fire, to be forgotten forever and ever until the end of time? If something is badly designed it should GTFO, not get buffed to the point of being useful again.
Seriously, Blizzard takes one step forward and two backwards. You should never nerf a unit to uselessness. As much as I would love to see Colossi rot in hell for all eternity, you should NEVER nerf a unit to uselessness. Exactly they should remove all that shit, not nerf it. That's an even worse fucking idea and you should be ashamed for thinking it.
Why? Zerg has midgame options to the point where they don't need to rely on fungal, so remove it and replace it with something reasonable.
And of course, Reavers vs Colossi...yeah...
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So much brainless whining there... 10 range = MORE DISTANCE = YOU SEE IT COMING
Yes, lets nerf it to 40 range, imagine from how far we see it coming then...
Really fascinating I see it coming how they are going to rape my vikings, but how does that help me? (Don't tell me I can then dodge it, there is no way vikings are going to dodge a 15 speed projectile).[/QUOTE]
Put your brain on please.
When you'll see infestors, you'll start moving your vikings because YOU KNOW zerg will launch fungles. And because your vikings will be moving (and kiting BL / Corruptor indefinitely if they are not hit by fungle), the projectile wont hit all your vikings as in WoL.
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The absolute range of fungal now is actually going to be 12 because of the 2 range radius of the spell. This is just ridiculous.
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On December 19 2012 07:16 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:13 Insoleet wrote:
Guys wake up. 10 range means you actually see the projectile coming from a longer distance ! JUST OPEN YOUR EYES ITS SO OBVIOUS >_<
So much brainless whining there... 10 range = MORE DISTANCE = YOU SEE IT COMING
And if the infestor comes too close... it just dies to tanks and colossi.
Its actually the best way to nerf the infestor if they dont want to remove the root.
Just because Infestors CAN use Fungal from 10 range does not mean they do it every time.
So basically what you're saying is, you should rely on your opponent fucking up?
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United Kingdom20301 Posts
Blink + MsC was ruining PvP. I think with this extra research time you can have an immortal out now by the time the rush hits or something.
You can have an immortal out at 5:10-5:20 without issues if you go 10gate into robo. Probably 5:40 if you dont. You cant really get blink done until you are close to ticking onto 7 mins with any decent stalker count AFAIK
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On December 19 2012 06:57 HollowLord wrote:
Hey before we all declare the end of the world maybe we should, you know... play the game when it's patched and see what we think?
We have been playing it. We've seen it in Wings for the past 6 months and we all fucking hate it. Yet in HOTS it's even better?
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On December 19 2012 07:14 Adonminus wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:08 Crawdad wrote:
So...
How easy was it to dodge the projectile before? It was pretty much as easy to hit as an emp which is also projectile, and didn't influence chain fungaling at all.
Ahaha, I totally forgot about this. I can't wait to get chain fungaled from 10 range.
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On December 19 2012 07:13 Insoleet wrote:
Guys wake up. 10 range means you actually see the projectile coming from a longer distance ! JUST OPEN YOUR EYES ITS SO OBVIOUS >_<
So much brainless whining there... 10 range = MORE DISTANCE = YOU SEE IT COMING
And if the infestor comes too close... it just dies to tanks and colossi.
Its actually the best way to nerf the infestor if they dont want to remove the root.
Yet it doesn't mean that the zerg will necessary fire them at 10 range,giving them 10 range is still offering them a new perspective,hence a buff.
Also 15 speed is pretty damn fast.
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If something's not getting enough testing during a beta test, you pump it up until people start testing it for you. Then you try to put it where it needs to be. The only other option is to leave it untested and put it in your live game.
The outrage over incentivizing Fungal Growth testing is unnecessary.
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I'm still unable to see what the new medivac beam color looks like. What color is it. I hope its orange 
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On December 19 2012 07:12 kollin wrote:
Because 15 speed is ridiculously fast. To put it into comparison, an on creep Zergling has a speed of 4...
Wait, projectile speed is the same as unit speed?
How was anybody dodging a speed 10 projectile, then?
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On December 19 2012 07:16 Prog455 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 19 2012 07:13 Insoleet wrote:
Guys wake up. 10 range means you actually see the projectile coming from a longer distance ! JUST OPEN YOUR EYES ITS SO OBVIOUS >_<
So much brainless whining there... 10 range = MORE DISTANCE = YOU SEE IT COMING
And if the infestor comes too close... it just dies to tanks and colossi.
Its actually the best way to nerf the infestor if they dont want to remove the root.
Just because Infestors CAN use Fungal from 10 range does not mean they do it every time.
But if they dont, if they want to be more precise, they need to come closer. And die to tanks/colossi. As in current WoL state, where infestors can't do anything but die to colossi/tanks (against a decent player)
There will be decision making involved, and positionnal war. And it's cool, obviously.
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