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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:19 Crawdad wrote: Wait, projectile speed is the same as unit speed? How was anybody dodging a speed 10 projectile, then? It's not, he's wrong. | ||
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RockIronrod
Australia1369 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:14 Adonminus wrote: It was pretty much as easy to hit as an emp which is also projectile, and didn't influence chain fungaling at all. I don't think you actually played the game with it. It was half the speed of EMP and was impossible to hit on mutas and Phoenix. Seriously, I don't think half the people complaining about the buffs saw how much of a joke fungal became after the nerf, and are mentally adding these buffs to WoL fungal. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:18 kollin wrote: So basically what you're saying is, you should rely on your opponent fucking up? I play Terran so that is pretty much what i have been doing against Zerg and Protoss for a while now. | ||
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:19 monkybone wrote: Do you have any idea how hard fungal + infested terrans rape vikings now? In WoL... In Hots, lol. IT doesnt even get upgrades, fungals are not "click and hit"... Wont be ever strong as before. | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:19 Insoleet wrote: But if they dont, if they want to be more precise, they need to come closer. And die to tanks/colossi. As in current WoL state, where infestors can't do anything but die to colossi/tanks (against a decent player) There will be decision making involved, and positionnal war. And it's cool, obviously. No it's not. The infestor is the most horrendously badly designed unit in the game, and literally nobody likes it, wol or hots state. | ||
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Shox85
Germany33 Posts
In my opinion it should be a defence unit but like this its just a bad harassment unit. I think they should either buff the splashdamgage/firerate or give it only 1 supply. It's to bad for costing 2 supply now. | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:20 kollin wrote: No it's not. The infestor is the most horrendously badly designed unit in the game, and literally nobody likes it, wol or hots state. I like it..... | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
Oh really? Sorry I apologise for that, I assumed the speed numbers would be on the same scale. | ||
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3454 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:55 MangoMountain wrote: Infestors were extremely trashy after fungal became a projectile, it was a useless unit. I know that armchair game designers think fungal is bad for the game or whatever, but whatever you think of that, nerfing a unit to uselessness isn't the way to go. We've already had enough of that in wol Yes, because we were able to deduce this after 1.5 weeks of playtesting where barely any Zergs even practiced using the new infestor -_- | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20285 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:19 Crawdad wrote: Wait, projectile speed is the same as unit speed? How was anybody dodging a speed 10 projectile, then? If you fire from range 8, it takes 0.8 seconds to land with 2 radius. If they shoot directly on top of the one unit, you'd need 2.5 speed to walk from the center of the area to off the edge of it. Stimmed marine is 3.375 speed, mutalisks are 4.0. Even if you couldnt escape from the center because of speed, the units closer to the edges could still escape ^Happy birthday avilo | ||
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KrazyTrumpet
United States2520 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:16 knOxStarcraft wrote: TY. I'd say the range, damage numbers, and the projectile speed are the balance modifiers. And I did write it wrong, I meant the freeze mechanic isn't what was imbalanced about infestors in the first place, it was the fact that it was so hard to avoid while doing damage, while upgraded infested terrans were killing your units. Now infested terrans melt in a battle and all you need are other units that aren't caught in the fungal to snipe remaining infestors. It will remain to be seen whether that's easy to do or not, but all this QQ is unwarranted for the time being. Freeze is an integral part of how the spell works, it's very much a part of its balance. Fungal should be some sort of slow and not a freeze. The damage and range 9 is fine, especially since at range 9 you can have some good dancing between infestor/ghost/HT. The only problem I have ever had with fungal was its freeze, it makes a perfectly reasonable spell completely imbalanced. Infested Terrans should never have been used in a straight up battle, anyway. It was laughable that they were as effective as they were, you could wipe out high value armies with one or two fungals and a billion spawned Infested Terrans. You should never have been able to just mass infestors and then spawn a free army anywhere. The IT change was to encourage Infestors to be a SUPPORT unit, and not your main damn unit. IT still have good uses, but they are not the backbone of the army anymore. | ||
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Lukeeze[zR]
Switzerland6838 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:14 Khalleb wrote: i bet every ptch zerg is sooo happy right now let's call them expansionzerg | ||
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kollin
United Kingdom8380 Posts
Ok, nobody important in Starcraft 2 (such as a pro) likes it. | ||
Teoita
Italy12246 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:21 avilo wrote: Yes, because we were able to deduce this after 1.5 weeks of playtesting where barely any Zergs even practiced using the new infestor because now they have other viable options anyway Figured i'd add on to that. | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:21 kollin wrote: Oh really? Sorry I apologise for that, I assumed the speed numbers would be on the same scale. Right now if I had to make a totally scientific guess without any data whatsoever the Fungal travels at about the speed of an unupgraded zergling on creep. So, like 4. | ||
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Bagi
Germany6799 Posts
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Insoleet
France1806 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:22 kollin wrote: Ok, nobody important in Starcraft 2 (such as a pro) likes it. Maybe fungle needs a redesign. I can agree with that. But well, it will be a hard spell to redesign since its the only decent way for zerg to have battle control. But if they want to stay with a rooting spell, this nerf is the best way to make it interesting. | ||
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HollowLord
United States3862 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:24 Bagi wrote: Anyone know how fast an EMP round moves? Is it comparable to the new fungal? It was said earlier in the thread that someone tested it out and found that EMP travels twice as fast as current Fungal, meaning the new Fungal would be at 75% emp speed | ||
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WeaponX.7
Canada52 Posts
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