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Zahir
Profile Joined March 2012
United States947 Posts
December 06 2012 11:30 GMT
#1201
On December 06 2012 20:14 Zanzabarr wrote:
The Thor anti-air high damage cannon is only 2 delay not 3... kind of a big dps difference that you missed there.


yes, this mode is going to be insane against broods and especially battlecruisers. but in any case, numbers can be tweaked - what matters is this is a better, more interesting ability than the extremely one dimensional 250mm Cannon. not only that, but it removes the energy bar, making Thors viable for mech vs toss... awesome.

and as to that long qq post, there already is a goliath in sc2... its called the viking.
What is best? To crush the Zerg, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentations of the Protoss.
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
December 06 2012 11:32 GMT
#1202
On December 06 2012 20:27 archonOOid wrote:
I've just one to make a comment about the lack of terran purists. Why on earth would mech and air benefit from the same upgrade as it don't fit lore and have things have always been.

they're both... vehicle thingies? i guess tank cannons and viking missiles would benefit from each others' upgrades. they're about as different as, say, thor shots to tank shots etc
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BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
December 06 2012 11:32 GMT
#1203
On December 06 2012 20:19 Prog455 wrote:
Does anyone know when HotS will be up again?


Most likely sometime after 12:00 PST which is about -9hrs CET
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
December 06 2012 11:34 GMT
#1204
WTF?! Wow, way to make Medivacs OP LOL.

And where is the redesign of Infestors?! They only nerf them lol
And why the Ultra nerf?! Ultra charge was the best Zerg change in HotS, and now they return Ultra back to its useless boring WoL version?! I am soo losing the will to spend money on this exp..
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
December 06 2012 11:35 GMT
#1205
On December 06 2012 20:32 BeyondCtrL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 06 2012 20:19 Prog455 wrote:
Does anyone know when HotS will be up again?


Most likely sometime after 12:00 PST which is about -9hrs CET


Okay - thank you mate
one-one-one
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden551 Posts
December 06 2012 11:35 GMT
#1206
On December 06 2012 20:27 archonOOid wrote:
I've just one to make a comment about the lack of terran purists. Why on earth would mech and air benefit from the same upgrade as it don't fit lore and have things have always been.



Because the "lore" and the upgrade system from BW was written when larvae inject and chrono boost didn't exist.

The other races has better producion capabilites so terran needs to have better upgrades to compensate.

I think it is a bad change though.
I would prefer them to actually buff siege tanks by a lot while making the immortals hardened shields worse against
high impact attacks from tanks an thors.
Also, BCs suffer too much of feedbacks vs protoss. They should make yamatoo "front-loaded" so that its energy is drained before it starts to charge up and not after like it is now.

This way the upgrades could stay the same.

When I play mech TvP I go for 2-2 mech upgrades. Then, if my opponent seems to go heavy air I skip 3-3 mech in favor of air upgrades. Protoss air upgrades are on the cybernetics core and not on the forge. I can tolerate that they can chronoboost their upgrades out as I can sniff out the air switch and be ahead/even on upgrades anyways.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
December 06 2012 11:36 GMT
#1207
Finally, we are begining to see a new game :D

Liking all the new details.
Maybe not liking the Raven Seeker Missle change but will have to use it to check it out myself. Can't wait.
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Sigmur
Profile Joined August 2010
Poland497 Posts
December 06 2012 11:37 GMT
#1208
This patch is bullshit.

Vortex not able to kill massive units, whereas neural parasite can take control over massive.
Faster healing and extreme speed buff for medivacs wtf.
Mutalisk are too slow - lol - and get a speed buff.
Yay dt shrine is cheaper - who cares when gateway units will suck even more with all these buffs to other races' units.
syroz
Profile Joined September 2012
France249 Posts
December 06 2012 11:40 GMT
#1209
4GB patch oh shit! This is madness :D
Destro
Profile Joined September 2009
Netherlands1206 Posts
December 06 2012 11:41 GMT
#1210
this is a cool patch, im very interested to see the game after this.

hots was feeling like WoL + some shit

but now the normal WoL units seem to have such new dynamics... brand new game imo.
My excitement for hots just doubled.
bring back weapon of choice for hots!
MWY
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany284 Posts
December 06 2012 11:42 GMT
#1211
wrong changes to take a step in the right direction. But im still amazed how utterly dumb some of those are.
uh-oh
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Hong Kong135 Posts
December 06 2012 11:44 GMT
#1212
I don't like the new mothership recall, it encourages players to bunch up their armies around their mothership for safety which totally contradicts the whole 'less deathabll' idea. I've been using mothership+skytoss vs zergs lately and I found mothership recall extremely useful for reinforcing bases under siege while still defending them with cloaking field.
Also I think there was a game between kiwikaki and stephano(?) where in the late game kiwi did a feint attack on the forth on lost temple, then recalled his whole army into stephano's main. It was one of the most exciting moments in eSports ever and I don't think the new recall is the best idea, it limits recall's use for strategic retreat and removes it's offensive potential.
When I get to grandmasters, you have my permission to die!
BeyondCtrL
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden642 Posts
December 06 2012 11:47 GMT
#1213
On December 06 2012 20:37 Sigmur wrote:
This patch is bullshit.

Vortex not able to kill massive units, whereas neural parasite can take control over massive.
Faster healing and extreme speed buff for medivacs wtf.
Mutalisk are too slow - lol - and get a speed buff.
Yay dt shrine is cheaper - who cares when gateway units will suck even more with all these buffs to other races' units.


The intent of the Mothership changes is to phase the unit out from competitive play. It's the right choice since the balance of a MU should not depend on a single unit and one of its abilities. If there is something wrong with PvZ lategame after this patch it can be resolved by changing something other than the Mothership to achieve balance. Personally I'm glad, the Mothership is once again a novelty unit.
TheKhyira
Profile Joined May 2012
115 Posts
December 06 2012 11:48 GMT
#1214
I'm really thrilled they addressed so many of the issues in WoL and are trying out things to make HoTS different. But err... wauv did Terran just get better \o/
Prog455
Profile Joined April 2012
Denmark970 Posts
December 06 2012 11:49 GMT
#1215
On December 06 2012 20:37 Sigmur wrote:
This patch is bullshit.

Vortex not able to kill massive units, whereas neural parasite can take control over massive.
Faster healing and extreme speed buff for medivacs wtf.
Mutalisk are too slow - lol - and get a speed buff.
Yay dt shrine is cheaper - who cares when gateway units will suck even more with all these buffs to other races' units.


Well first of all you should notice that every race has been buffed significantly. Medivacs have been buffed, but Protoss and Zerg has also been giving the means to deal with stronger bio forces. Same goes for improve Mutalisks. Also it is true that Gateways units may not do quite as well against bio units for instance, but Stargate on the other hand is now much more viable.

Secondly it is very intentional to nerf Vortex into obscurity, since it was very badly designed for competitive play. It was always ment for casuals.

Grimmac
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom71 Posts
December 06 2012 11:51 GMT
#1216
looks like QXC posts about remove passive skills and replace with more interesting active ones did work out in the end. very well done QXC
MegaFonzie
Profile Joined April 2011
Australia1084 Posts
December 06 2012 11:55 GMT
#1217
On December 06 2012 20:34 -Archangel- wrote:
WTF?! Wow, way to make Medivacs OP LOL.

And where is the redesign of Infestors?! They only nerf them lol
And why the Ultra nerf?! Ultra charge was the best Zerg change in HotS, and now they return Ultra back to its useless boring WoL version?! I am soo losing the will to spend money on this exp..


How is the ultra change a nerf? Ultras are scary as fuck now, which is how it should be!
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avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 11:57:37
December 06 2012 11:56 GMT
#1218
Wow they listened about tempests :D thank god, no broodlord infestor 2.0 in our future guys! And same for thors, dat secondary mode...every Terran mech unit now has a "siege mode" which is pretty cool imo.

Terran just got wtf buffed, is this a dream? Dunno though, seems like buffs were thrown all around the house lol. I don't know about the widow mine not dealing with cloaked units...and cost reduced DT shrine. It's hard to complain with all the other good changes they seem to have made, but the widow mine change is meh. Cloak banshees and DTS are gonna be a pain in the ass when you want to "open" mech.

All the other changes...pretty sick across the board...some i'm sure are too good for each of the races. So all I'll say is thank god they did something to the tempest because i was starting to have nightmares of HOTS becoming tempest templar like WOL was becoming broodlord infestor every game every match-up...whew.

edit: ok, i will say one more thing. Seeker change is ridiculously stupid. It does not make the seeker missile more accessible. It's still 125 energy, all they did was make it ridiculously overpowered when you do get it, which to me is worse than having a more accessible seeker missile that has lower range.
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Krogan
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden375 Posts
December 06 2012 11:57 GMT
#1219
Blizzard have been very clear that they want the mothership to be a "for the lols" unit that only sees light of day in pro matches as a diss.

Seems that the idea of seeker missile is to be a counter to massive and esp broodlord ultra as they don't stand much chance to get out of the way, if a toss loss a colossi to one of those they got seriously bad micro.

The medivac changes are the most puzzling thou, was anyone actually complaining that terran didn't have good enough drops? The healing buffs through upgrades are solid ideas thou imo.

Reaper changes with the new healing mechanic might be just want it needed, an upgraded reaper is now only slightly slower then a (0.2) then a speedling.

Lastly I'd prefer to see 3 upgrades from armory instead of 2. Attack vehicles, attack air and plating.

hugman
Profile Joined June 2009
Sweden4644 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-12-06 12:01:10
December 06 2012 12:00 GMT
#1220
I think sharing both attack and armor upg between air and mech is too much. Armor only might be fine.

On December 06 2012 18:43 Pursuit_ wrote:
As a Terran, here are my initial thoughts.

New Seeker Missile sucks if it got rid of splash and is pretty nice if it didn't, though it overlaps with Yamato a lot


It doesn't have splash and it won't suck.
One HSM will kill a BL from 10 range! Ravens cost half the supply of a BL and quite a bit less in terms of resources, so they're going to be very efficient vs them. Even against Ultras I imagine HSM will be okay. 300 single target dmg is a ton.
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