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On a different note: Can PDD block fungal now, has anyone tested this? Because this sounds like... well, let's just say really good, thinking about how few units zerg has to drain/kill PDDs, hence it will exclusively deny high quality shots
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On a different note: Can PDD block fungal now, has anyone tested this? Because this sounds like... well, let's just say really good, thinking about how few units zerg has to drain/kill PDDs, hence it will exclusively deny high quality shots | ||
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Existor
Russian Federation4295 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:25 Big J wrote: Wohoo for Carriers On a different note: Can PDD block fungal now, has anyone tested this? Because this sounds like... well, let's just say really good, thinking about how few units zerg has to drain/kill PDDs, hence it will exclusively deny high quality shots PDD blocks ONLY standart attacks. It does not blocks spells | ||
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Rabiator
Germany3948 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:23 SamsLiST wrote: team.EG-LQD: plz fuck proleague and set up beta streams 24/7 XD Now is the time to learn all those imbalanced strategies once Blizzard releases HotS and all the tournaments switch over ... but fuck proleague? Nope, because they will need those strategies to win there! | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:23 Rabiator wrote: Why they changed the medivac healing is beyond me. There have been enough games already where bio refuses to die once the "1 Medivac for each bio unit" ratio has been reached and now they heal even better for less energy? I think a few changes to the new healing mechanics can happen if it's too powerful right now. They could increase the cost or research time of the upgrade or perhaps even the cost or build time of the Medivac itself. They could reduce the healing increase. They could reduce the health per energy increase, perhaps causing the upgraded healing to cause the energy to drain faster so that there is a slight disadvantage to getting the upgrade. I think it's a neat idea to give the Medivac upgrade some utility other than as an unused energy upgrade. It buffs bio without buffing the bio units themselves. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
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KingAlphard
Italy1705 Posts
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Grendel
Belgium126 Posts
On December 06 2012 19:35 Everlong wrote: Really? I just tested 5 Thors vs 5 Broodlords and Thors won with 3 left, 1 half healt lol.. :D Great. Except for the Viper, there is now not a single zerg unit that can beat Thors. And no, ultralisks don't beat them cost effectively, and lings get raped already by hellbats.. | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
I'm kinda clueless about the medivac upgrade; like WTF? maybe mech is popular in HotS, but that doesn't mean biological isn't viable; it seems way too much of a change. I think speed would have certainly been enough; It's really strong, but at least it takes some micro to use well. Seeker missile is a pretty big buff for most scenarios I'd say. They can Kill thors, siege tanks, broodlords, and othres much more effectively now. A broodlord will take a guaranteed hit if it's within 8.5 range (rounded to the half point) of the casting location. Previously while the seeker missile could potentially deal more damage in the right situation, it generally would not, especially at the higher levels when players can split units up easily. The one issue: This seems like just a glorified Yamato cannon now.... it's kinda stupid. Void ray change makes it even more of an a-move unit than it's ever been, although I presume it's saying it has no stage 2 now?. If It's always stage 2 damage now, here's my rant: (strike-through formatting is just to indicate that it's conditional and I'm thinking mostly likely not the situation) I'm not a fan of the VR's special ability, I think it's a silly gimmick like the corruptors, but I guess it adds at least a bit to micro (it's better than nothing). The special ability's damage is going to be in addition to the VR's normal bonus vs. armored I presume? I really wish a-move units that can hit both air and ground are removed from the game (modified out); at least without some obvious flaw like the hydralisk, marine (low health, very susceptible to splash damage), or tempest have. I guess thor/carrier/BC has slow movement, but I don't know if that's enough. I'm not a fan of reducing Fungal Growth range in addition to making it a projectile; that's a huge over-nerf. Heck when it's a projectile, I think it's more reasonable to INCREASE the range (which would technically just keep it the same since WoL is -1 without projectile). Blizzard already experimented with FG being a projectile, why are they bringing it back after they had already decided against it? Making FG a projectile adds more skill to the game, but in combination with reducing the range it's just screwing over zerg/infestors too much. On a side note I'm really angry they didn't touch neural parasite, when at this point virtually every unit/ability in Starcraft existence has been fixed/buffed into utility. Everyone got some buffs, but in my opinion terran came out on top by a large margin,and I think it's quite unwarranted. Zerg had hydralisk and ultralisk buffs, but they were really necessary since those units were so useless/under-used. Protoss had some good changes as well (I think protoss would have maybe appreciated higher base phoenix damage rather than more range though? that or some sort of variation on that old overlord ability), but nothing particularly strong like with terran. Terran had all buffs (and at least 2 really strong ones), while zerg had the huge infestor nerfs and protoss with somewhat less powerful buffs(?). | ||
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AXygnus
Portugal1008 Posts
EDIT: Oh, and higher Phoenix range. I'd cut that too. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:33 Grendel wrote: Great. Except for the Viper, there is now not a single zerg unit that can beat Thors. And no, ultralisks don't beat them cost effectively, and lings get raped already by hellbats.. Yeah, Hellbat/Tank/Thor + few Vikings (+2/+2 from mech upgrades) will be very tough to deal with.. Vipers will play very important role here.. Also, Ultralisks RAPE everything on ground really they do.. | ||
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Qikz
United Kingdom12058 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:33 Grendel wrote: Great. Except for the Viper, there is now not a single zerg unit that can beat Thors. And no, ultralisks don't beat them cost effectively, and lings get raped already by hellbats.. I think you've overestimating how weak zerg is. Binding cloud shuts down thors, neural can really own thors completely and broodlords will still do well against thors unless you get a bunch of them firing at the same time which will be hard in a tight space. | ||
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ejozl
Denmark3555 Posts
Will be interesting, however I don't like the merged upgrades for all mechanical units, it's too powerful. Imagine the current Hellion Banshee opening vs Zerg and then you can just make Thor/BC followup or whatever. | ||
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flexgd
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doggy
Germany306 Posts
Buffing the ultradmg to 35 may seems good for some people. But dmg was never their problems, its being unable to connect properly with the bioforce. Soo.. Hydraspeed to Lair? I like it, but it wont change anything. You really need a ton of upgrades to make them efficient, you simply cant afford lair + upgrades + range upgrade + speed upgrade at the early midgame. And all those things are desperately needed to make hydras viable. On the first thought i like the muta buff too, but seriously, given the buffs the other races got its more a nerf than a buff. 0.25 speed to compensate even more phoenix range and ultra strong medivacs? The problem in going muta was always that you need to transition out of them really soon before P/T is too upgrade heavy or has splash damage or a dozen medivacs. Thats the reason (and not the movementspeed) that people just dont go muta anymore. Buffing bio and phoenixes will make mutas even more weak I also feel like, especially regarding the medivac changes, that zerg really needs an anticaster spell like feedback or emp. but it seems like blizzard doesnt feel that way, they rather keep stupid things like neural parasite | ||
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BeeNu
615 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:39 Qikz wrote: I think you've overestimating how weak zerg is. Binding cloud shuts down thors, neural can really own thors completely and broodlords will still do well against thors unless you get a bunch of them firing at the same time which will be hard in a tight space. I think you highly overestimate how strong Zerg is, they have [had] the Infestor, that's about it. Blinding cloud is great but against units like Thors and Vikings enjoy losing at least a couple Vipers every single time you want to use Cloud. HP buff may help a bit but I doubt it will mean anything. In the past Broodlords were only "just ok" when fighting Thors, now I see no reason why Thors should ever lose to Broods. Neural is still a total joke, it's an ability you only use if you want to free up supply by sacrificing an Infestor. Also not to mention, good luck relying on Hive Tech to fight Thors when you'll probably die to a midgame push before that. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:09 Sigmur wrote: You think stargate compensate for lack of ANY buffs to gateway units? Afterall stargate units are very expensive and you just can't mass them like you can mass bio. Even if you could, marines would just own them. Good that atleast they try to buff terran, so maybe HotS won't be as forgivable to zerg as it is in WoL. I can't comment on Gateway units in ZvP, but in HotS pre-2.0.2 patch Gateway units was doing very well against Bio units, since Nexus cannon and Mothership core could fend off most early pressure. Furthermore this is not an early game buff. The medivac upgrade is fairly expensive, and it takes a long time to complete. | ||
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Everlong
Czech Republic1973 Posts
On December 06 2012 21:45 BeeNu wrote: I think you highly overestimate how strong Zerg is, they have [had] the Infestor, that's about it. Blinding cloud is great but against units like Thors and Vikings enjoy losing at least a couple Vipers every single time you want to use Cloud. HP buff may help a bit but I doubt it will mean anything. In the past Broodlords were only "just ok" when fighting Thors, now I see no reason why Thors should ever lose to Broods. Neural is still a total joke, it's an ability you only use if you want to free up supply by sacrificing an Infestor. Ahahaaa, Zerg crying no more Broodlord/Infestor/Corruptor defwin... LOVE IT!! :D | ||
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