HotS Balance Update #5 [10/5/12] - Page 23

On October 06 2012 18:59 SaintEaon wrote:
Also random question, why does Fungal even hit air units? Corruptors are super good vs everything Protoss can make that flies, do we really need something else to make it that much worse.

On October 06 2012 19:19 Qikz wrote:
@Protoss proclaiming you need a robo to move out of your base, especially that picture of the widow mines on the ramp... Why not get a cannon like Terran get a turret at the front to stop DTs?

On October 06 2012 19:19 Qikz wrote:
@Protoss proclaiming you need a robo to move out of your base, especially that picture of the widow mines on the ramp... Why not get a cannon like Terran get a turret at the front to stop DTs?

On October 06 2012 19:19 Qikz wrote:
@Protoss proclaiming you need a robo to move out of your base, especially that picture of the widow mines on the ramp... Why not get a cannon like Terran get a turret at the front to stop DTs?

On October 06 2012 19:19 DrGreen wrote:


you can use observer and stalkers if you want...



Possibly, not necessarily. But now that I think about it, a cannon or two should deal with that no problem.

On October 06 2012 19:40 SaintEaon wrote:
Uhm well you see, they can kill observers easily, and stalkers are still extremely bad vs Terran
The most cost effective way to deal with these things unfortunately is to open stargate and use Oracles for that soft scan they have. That's probably what Bliz wants us to do with them, Phoenix to chase off the medivacs, Oracle to deal with mines, then both to take up supply vs Terran. Yeah logic.

On October 06 2012 19:25 Crawdad wrote:


Because then there would be a reason to spawn Hydras, and we can't have that.

On October 06 2012 19:47 Crawdad wrote:


Observers aren't killed easily if they stay out of range.

And you're right, Revelation is great against Widow mines. I'm fine with the new design.

On October 06 2012 19:59 Salient wrote:
What if the widow mine kept its new stats, but couldn't be loaded into a medivac?

On October 06 2012 19:29 Evangelist wrote:
Void Siphon is useless. There are no numbers that are going to make that ability worth using UNLESS it is the oracle's base attack and benefits from upgrades like a Raider from Warcraft 3 ie. it attacks at 5 damage with a 1s cooldown but drains 3 minerals per second when attacking buildings. Putting it on energy just makes you trade energy for minerals and Phase Shield is always going to come out ahead.

Instead I'd like to see something unique to the Protoss.

Void Pylon (100 energy) - creates a static pylon with 100 shields at a location with 100 energy which allows the instant restoration of shields at a rate of 2 shields per 1 energy. Can autocast. Range 9.

I'd also like to see Phase Shield encase units with the same effect (100HP shield or so), rather than buildings and have a much smaller range - 1.5 or so and disable actions other than moving. That'd give it the same harassment ability without making micro suck against it like Fungal Win.

On October 06 2012 20:02 SaintEaon wrote:


Then people would question why mines can't be in a Medivac but a Thor can. I know I'm arguing against the mines a lot, but I actually don't care that much about them, I'm more pissed we lost Phase Shield.

On October 06 2012 19:57 SaintEaon wrote:


Observers aren't easily killed vs like one mine. Vs like I don't know 10 suddenly it becomes a chore to clean widow mines up and if you're not paying attention they do kill Observers easily.

Observer: 40HP 20 Shields
Sight: 11

Stalker: Range 6

Widow Mine: Payload Damage: 160, Splash 40

In short, it will cost me probably 1 unit at the very least to discover one of the mines, you can get mines faster. Mines that directly hit an Observer will kill it INSTANTLY, Observers hit with splash damage take 2 hits. In short Observers are very easily killed by one mine, but no one just builds one mine because that'd be a waste of resources, if you're going mines you'll probably have 5 plus, in which case I now have to watch my positioning while dealing with an easily acquired non-static defensive unit that detracts from my over all unit composition.

There is no cost effective way to deal with widow mines, other than maybe an Oracle, but after its nerf that's debatable too. In fact the only justification for going Oracles vs Terran now is you wanted to slow their mineral production down while you teched to a mothership to make Zeal Archon for an Archon toilet late game.