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dainbramage
Australia1442 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:37 beefhamburger wrote: Except you do it indefinitely all game.....? In which case, congrats you've spent 150/150 plus whatever's guarding it to "mine" at the rate of less than 2 workers. | ||
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sour_eraser
Canada932 Posts
-Splash hits friendly units -Able to hit enemy workers -Supply cost ( I've read somewhere they changed it? ) -Speed of missle. Are they like Seeker Missle where you may outrun it or do they kill units immediately? | ||
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cywinr
Canada173 Posts
Also, does anyone else think terrans have enough splash damage? Hellions thors tanks seekermissile nukes planetaries... Versus fungals banes and ultras or collo storm and archons. | ||
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Forumite
Sweden3280 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:42 wcr.4fun wrote: it doesn't steal minerals. (nothing in the patch notes indicates it does) On October 06 2012 06:54 juicyjames wrote: Drains, sounds like it either you gain minerals, or the opponent loses minerals, or both.
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-niL
Canada1131 Posts
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Kevoras
United States105 Posts
The Mine change seems like a unit replacement instead. (more like it Mobile Missile Turret) I am fine with that, but yes, will need more rebalancing for sure. so it basically only auto-acquire cloaked / hallunicated units? wouldn't that just make the DT useless against Terrans instead? So far, I think it is a poor choice. But I think the community will find that out soon as well. dont see this unit last more than 2 weeks | ||
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Dvriel
607 Posts
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:39 Whitewing wrote: I'm aware of that, but do you think it's fair for 8 supply to hold off 40-50? The initial missile hit deals 160 damage, that's a shit ton of damage. I think the initial damage is way too much is should live of it's splash. Terran doesn't need anything with high damage . | ||
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s3rp
Germany3192 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:45 jidolboy wrote: So with the newly designed mine. Can anyone with beta tell me if -Splash hits friendly units -Able to hit enemy workers -Supply cost ( I've read somewhere they changed it? ) -Speed of missle. Are they like Seeker Missle where you may outrun it or do they kill units immediately? Yes , Yes , still 2 , no once it's launched it will hit the target. | ||
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Dvriel
607 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:46 cywinr wrote: So the widow mine is like a tank in siege mode... Except its cloaked and hits ground air and cloaked units with its slow attackspeed.... It doesnt even require micro to maximize its usefulness! Just sit there and itl take care of ground air cloaked any unit nearby... Also, does anyone else think terrans have enough splash damage? Hellions thors tanks seekermissile nukes planetaries... Versus fungals banes and ultras or collo storm and archons. Collosi,storms and Archons move pretty quick on Battlefield.Hellions dies too quick to all this stuff.Tanks dont move.Seekermissile is almost useless and far too expensive even for late game.Nukes...Have you seen Nukes since the ultimate ghost nerf with this cloak for 30s???And ofcourse PF are flying unit doing splash damage hehe... Banelings are faster than every T unit if not stimmed Marine ir Marauder.Fungal makes units dont move so,banelings get their goal.Ultras got Burrow Charge and avoid totaly tank splash. Just go for Thors vs P or Z and you will see how BL,Ultras eat them and HTs "suicide" them hehe | ||
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Piousflea
United States259 Posts
I think Siphon might be a useful ability if it was tuned differently. It fits with the Oracle's design (economic harassment unit that doesn't belong in deathballs) much better than Phase Shield, which encouraged oracles to join the deathball. Siphon needs to actually steal minerals, not just generate minerals out of nowhere. If it remains a slow-acting ability then it shouldn't cost energy, it could even be the Oracle's a-move. If it remains an energy-dependent spell then it needs to act very rapidly, forcing opponents to get enough antiair to rapidly kill the Oracle instead of just guarding a CC with one marine. (1 stimmarine will kill an Oracle in 15 seconds, far less than its break-even time) In which case, congrats you've spent 150/150 plus whatever's guarding it to "mine" at the rate of less than 2 workers. Last time I checked, a probe on a close mineral patch harvests 45 minerals/minute which is 0.75 m/s. So at 3 m/s the Oracle "harvests" at the same rate as 4 probes, slightly better than 1 MULE. 4 probes cost 200/0/4 and can keep mining all day, so long as you have bases with minerals in them. 1 Oracle costs 150/150/3, is almost as fragile as 4 probes but has to harvest from ENEMY bases. Oh yeah, and it has to spend 50 energy every time it Siphons. Not a very useful ability right now, but it's a matter of tuning and not design. | ||
Whitewing
United States7483 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:56 Dvriel wrote: Collosi,storms and Archons move pretty quick on Battlefield.Hellions dies too quick to all this stuff.Tanks dont move.Seekermissile is almost useless and far too expensive even for late game.Nukes...Have you seen Nukes since the ultimate ghost nerf with this cloak for 30s???And ofcourse PF are flying unit doing splash damage hehe... Banelings are faster than every T unit if not stimmed Marine ir Marauder.Fungal makes units dont move so,banelings get their goal.Ultras got Burrow Charge and avoid totaly tank splash. Just go for Thors vs P or Z and you will see how BL,Ultras eat them and HTs "suicide" them hehe I might be able to take you more seriously if your name weren't an anagram for drivel and if you took the time to actually make it possible to understand what you're trying to say. | ||
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Dvriel
607 Posts
On October 06 2012 09:59 Whitewing wrote: I might be able to take you more seriously if your name weren't an anagram for drivel and if you took the time to actually make it possible to understand what you're trying to say. My English is not so good obviously,and I really try to make it possible to understand.I was trying to say that even if Terran got more Splash Options,it does not mean they all are viable or good to use in the game. My name is "Duriel" but written as in old Rome where the "U" was same as "V",ok? Duriel is a Demon from Diablo II... | ||
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Dark.Carnival
United States5095 Posts
Also seemed really weird being on the Oracle when the Oracle is a fast moving 'harass' unit, not really sitting in your army. So I'd rather phase shield have been on the sentry and given the Oracle hallucination or some form of halluction (like clone itself or something). Void siphon.. doesn't fit much either as you have to sit there to do anything and the Oracle is meant to dart around not sit there being immobile. | ||
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testthewest
Germany274 Posts
In a way it get's to be a moveable turret with extrem high damage, that's got it's cost amortised once one (!!) shot has been fired... | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On October 06 2012 10:10 testthewest wrote: If they keep the "mine" like this, they should at least rename it....a mine is something else then a rocket turret. In a way it get's to be a moveable turret with extrem high damage, that's got it's cost amortised once one (!!) shot has been fired... I would call it "Ant lion" because it plays along the theme of Spiders and only attacks when burrowed. | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
But after considering that zergs usually have a mineral bank and queens, its probably not a huge deal at all. And i love the mine It may be a bit strong but it seems like a unit that can really hold space well, which is what the intent was in the first place. | ||
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Burns
United States2300 Posts
is the widow mine a mobile turret now? | ||
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
I want to confirm that Void Siphon does not remove minerals from an opponent's bank; it harvests minerals from an enemy structure while damaging it. We've updated the text to make this clear. http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/110ixw/beta_patch_notes_5/c6ia9ft | ||
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