I really like these changes. Seems like they've taken in some of the criticism and actually made some of the suggestions work. Now, I do agree that terran needs something else in the game and that the widow mines aren't really filling the slot. Maybe a hellion that drops mines, or perhaps like a raven mine?

I think they'll find a way to make the game good anyways ^^

Xtal

Haiti385 Posts

September 29 2012 06:50 GMT

#223

On September 29 2012 15:36 KevoVargas wrote:
Widow mine change is really easy.
I dont know why its taking so long.

Same cost. you buy 2 widow mines for 1 supply.
Same damage, and it doesnt atack air.
Easy spamm mines, no trouble killing dropships or super mega cost efective mutaballs.

Or in other case, it doesnt atack air, freee supply, free cost, add a new unit called vulture for 75minerals and attach 3 mines in there.

I think I like this idea!

question is, do you build one (fact w/ tech lab) and get 2?

so for the reactor fact if you build 2 you get 4?

Or can it only be made out of a fact with a reactor.

bittman

Australia8759 Posts

September 29 2012 06:56 GMT

#224

On September 29 2012 15:42 neoghaleon55 wrote:
the new MSCore is stupid in PvZ
It's guaranteed to always kill the first queen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbTmv5BNajY&t=3m23s

It's too early a flyer.

I don't think it's the flying, it's the damage from the flying unit. With the speed and an auto-attack they've stopped it being a super powerful all-in unit and made it a super early air harass unit. That has it's own issues as shown from all the void ray nerfs that occured in WoL because they come out early-ish.

I think the new auto-attack is silly. Take out the attack. It doesn't seem to fit the design of the unit.

Hattori_Hanzo

Singapore1229 Posts

September 29 2012 06:59 GMT

#225

Time to build more Queens in ZvP for air defense/transfuse. Seems legit.
As I've said before, I'm very happy with the direction.

HOTS is shaping up to be a Significantly different play experience than WoL.
This is good, as their promise for SC2, is a trilogy experience, not expansion.

FakeDeath

Malaysia6060 Posts

September 29 2012 06:59 GMT

#226

Actually the zerg has 2 queen pop out to defend but MC was definitely will put out some damage on the first queen.
I was surprised with it's 1.8 movement speed.
It has pretty decent movement speed.

All in all though, this is pretty bad.
MC was supposed to be a defensive unit but it it turned out it can be a light pressure-esque unit in the early game lol.

MC has got a lot of utility now actually.

It can scout,clear watch towers as seen in the video,etc.

I am expecting changes to the MC again.

kcdc

United States2311 Posts

September 29 2012 07:10 GMT

#227

You could go pool first (like everybody does in ZvP) and have 2 queens near each other at that timing. The queen killing is super easy to adjust to with your build order.

Also, having a light pressure unit in early game is a godsend for P. A low tech option to put a little early pressure without committing a ton is exactly what I wanted for P in HOTS.

MoonCricket

222 Posts

September 29 2012 07:20 GMT

#228

At this point, removing the Mothership Core and the Mothership and replacing them with Purifier and Recall on your Nexus seems like a much better design than what they have right now, at least having to choose between Chrono Boost and Purifier and Recall lets Protoss decide between economy, defense and harassment without the awkwardness of the Mothership Core being a pseudo building attachment.

Maybe change the Mothership Core into a Nexus upgrade like the Orbital Command and reboot its energy to 50 with Purifier at a 50 energy cost?

Crawdad

614 Posts

September 29 2012 07:21 GMT

#229

On September 29 2012 15:42 neoghaleon55 wrote:
the new MSCore is stupid in PvZ
It's guaranteed to always kill the first queen.

That... Doesn't make any sense. The Queen can kite the MsC all day long, can't it?

neoghaleon55

United States7435 Posts

September 29 2012 07:23 GMT

#230

On September 29 2012 16:21 Crawdad wrote:

Show nested quote +

That... Doesn't make any sense. The Queen can kite the MsC all day long, can't it?

Crawdad

614 Posts

September 29 2012 07:26 GMT

#231

On September 29 2012 16:23 neoghaleon55 wrote:
no

But it outranges the MsC. By a sizeable margin. The Queen in that vid wasn't even being microed.

ZealotSensei

Denmark70 Posts

September 29 2012 07:26 GMT

#232

On September 29 2012 15:41 FlukyS wrote:
Its now a gimmicky unit to aid in early all ins to make them not all in any more.

If an all in isn't an all in any more, was it ever all in?

This isn't turing decidable.

Girondelle

France969 Posts

September 29 2012 07:34 GMT

#233

So the mothership core now is a hero with town portal -_-

virpi

Germany3599 Posts

September 29 2012 07:36 GMT

#234

well, first of all it's questionable if the msc should really have an attack. in my opinion, it doesn't need to do so. overall, it's a pretty cool unit, but it should be limited to defensive use in the earliest stages of the game.
but we'll see, that video isn't very good, because (as others have also stated) the queen isn't microed at all.

ectonym

United States147 Posts

September 29 2012 07:40 GMT

#235

Can you EMP a forward MSC and prevent recall? Or would you have to EMP the Nexus?

Existor

Russian Federation4295 Posts

September 29 2012 07:52 GMT

#236

On September 29 2012 16:40 ectonym wrote:
Can you EMP a forward MSC and prevent recall? Or would you have to EMP the Nexus?

Just emp core

Big J

Austria16289 Posts

September 29 2012 07:58 GMT

#237

I don't like the new recall, neither do I like the autoattack on the core. I feel like, if it can constantly attack, it should require a stargate - both out of balance and design reasons.
And for the recall... it was fun before, now it's like this one unit that you want to focus fast, then he can't recall - so the moment you have enough anti air, he can't use recall for harass anymore. I mean, how do you use recall against a Terran now? You don't! Marines will kill the core, long before you can use it properly.

Mackus

England1681 Posts

September 29 2012 08:05 GMT

#238

On September 29 2012 16:10 kcdc wrote:
You could go pool first (like everybody does in ZvP) and have 2 queens near each other at that timing. The queen killing is super easy to adjust to with your build order.

Also, having a light pressure unit in early game is a godsend for P. A low tech option to put a little early pressure without committing a ton is exactly what I wanted for P in HOTS.

What this guy said solves anything about early MsC attacks, instead of injecting the natural, poop a tumour and the 2nd queen has free mobility between the Nat and Main to fend off the attack.

I agree it is too fast for my liking but whining over Beta balance isn't the way forward..

blug

Australia623 Posts

September 29 2012 08:06 GMT

#239

Not bad, I do hope they give terran something though xD

lpunatic

235 Posts

September 29 2012 08:09 GMT

#240

I'd imagine that making you micro your core so that you can still recall is kind of the point. Like focussing dropships from terran drops - do you divert your DPS from the attacking units or not?

Also, energise seems to be a useful ability to bring with your army.