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Tao367
United Kingdom324 Posts
On September 08 2012 10:14 Rah wrote: I like how people went from complaining about warhound's a skilless 1A unit to complaining that the warhound's too good when it's micro'd. Be careful what you wish for I guess. But... it wasn't/isn't micro'd vs bio... | ||
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Hider
Denmark9433 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:40 Fig wrote: Yeah. I discovered that watching the beta was really fun, but for a completely different reason than I expected. I usually like to watch Protoss, but I just can't stand it now. Players make the new oracle and do boring shift-click micro, and then play with normal toss units. Or they make tempests and I watch them flail as they try to make the long range units worthwhile. Meanwhile the rest of their army is again the same old same old. It was so boring! Then I move over to a terran stream, and in between the warhound OP stomps I see unbelievably dynamic games with every terran unit under the sun. Well almost, it was really fun to watch and no one was even using widow mines yet. I get curious and flip on a zerg stream. New units and old units galore mixing and matching and making the gameplay fresh. TvZ is going to go from being the best matchup, to the bestest matchup. The other races not only got units that can be a core part of the game, they also got their underused units redesigned (reaper, battlecruiser, raven, hydra). They even changed something on the infestor! And what happened to toss? Any current units updated? No. We LOST A UNIT! The carrier, which was used more than the reaper, bc, hydra, and maybe even the raven, gets taken out of the game... I thought this was an expansion... O wait, I forgot that they added on two stargate units to replace the one we lost. Except they are both just gimmicky things that cost 150/200 and 300/300. And they take away the only interesting thing about the oracle (cloak). But wait! There's more! We are giving you a single unit that guards your base with a cannon that costs energy. But we nerfed it's cool energize ability so that it's never useful. And if you ever don't get attacked by cool new units and can actually save up energy, you can recall too! O wait, you could already do that? I am terribly disappointed that Blizzard would have failed this hard with toss. When you compare the races, it is painfully obvious which one is getting the short end of the stick in this expansion. If things don't get added, there is no way I'll be playing toss. Why play WoL when the other races are playing HotS? In TVP terran is supposed to play an immobile version of Mech. The fact that there is a mech version of the maurauder completely destroys the matchup for both races. If immobile mech were an viable option we would see toss every single tool they had to abuse the immobility of the mech. And most likely tempest would be more usefull as well to break siege line. Recall would be extremelye used given mech and would make for interesting gameplay. I believe oracle can be interesting if you have 3-4 of them and they constantly are used to harass mineral fields. Because then the economic consequences will acutally be severe. However as pro players currently play its kind of boring, indeed. But I wan't to wait and see. Im not sure why you think bc and reapers were redesigned. Rather rebalanced. They still have the same role. What change has there been to the raven? | ||
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aklambda
Austria48 Posts
On September 08 2012 10:24 Hider wrote: Im not sure why you think bc and reapers were redesigned. Rather rebalanced. They still have the same role. What change has there been to the raven? Increased movement speed from 2.25 to 2.5 as well as reduced Seeker Missile cost from 125 energy to 100. | ||
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Ryder.
1117 Posts
I don't think he meant redesigned, more like Blizzard have tried to make them work. Breathe some life into them so to speak | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
U.U | ||
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Rassy
Netherlands2308 Posts
Annyway:Now that i found out that the missles has 9 range its easy for me to see whats wrong with it. 9 range is way to much. Not sure why they thought it needed 9 range, to counter siege tanks or to counter collosus.. It does make it way overpowerd against annything else though. Maybe problem is also that they build to fast, so that terran can get to manny of them on only 1-2 factorys in a to short of a time, think missle range is the main isue though. | ||
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Seraphic
United States3849 Posts
All other races got something to contribute to the ground army either early or mid game. Toss got completely fucked over because Blizz refuses to add anything to the race. Everything is so... half assed as it seems I don't even know what to make of it. My beloved Toss... just don't feel like Toss anymore. Until they add something worth using, I'm gonna go to Terran. | ||
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lowercase
Canada1047 Posts
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summerloud
Austria1201 Posts
On September 08 2012 08:00 pmp10 wrote: Because the missiles alone don't have enough range and damage to trade with siege tank fire. And because attacking defensive positions through choke points that can now be full of mines will require a lot of mobility. Surely we wouldn't want TvTs to go back to siege-tank stand-offs.  if you are afraid of that, increase range on nuke boom - i solved the problem. not please get rid off this shitty unit everyone hates | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13406 Posts
On September 08 2012 11:46 Seraphic wrote: There, are quite a lot of reasons why I'm switching to Terrans again after playing Toss for the majority of BW. The moment I saw how HotS is, I knew right away how bad Toss got it this expansion. All other races got something to contribute to the ground army either early or mid game. Toss got completely fucked over because Blizz refuses to add anything to the race. Everything is so... half assed as it seems I don't even know what to make of it. My beloved Toss... just don't feel like Toss anymore. Until they add something worth using, I'm gonna go to Terran. I feel the same way but gotta be true to my protoss roots man. I think. For now. Until I play HotS. I am afraid that blizzard knows they fucked up and dont want to admit it -_- | ||
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734pot
Australia294 Posts
I think it could be good for gameplay if tanks were stronger and if blinding cloud was stronger. Mech would be viable in TvP (and it would actually be mech instead of mechanical infantry), and you would get very interesting positional play with the great power of tanks and blinding cloud in TvZ (somewhat akin to dark swarm/tank play). Also I wouldn't mind if the nerfed fungal somehow, its role will be less integral in HotS if they keep blinding cloud and abduct somewhat powerful, thus making it easier to balance. | ||
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lemagrag
Sweden32 Posts
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FATJESUSONABIKE
184 Posts
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AnomalySC2
United States2073 Posts
On September 08 2012 06:13 gedatsu wrote: Blizz doesn't understand what the problem is with Warhound. They created it, they definitely know whats up. | ||
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Herect
Brazil216 Posts
On September 08 2012 16:02 FATJESUSONABIKE wrote: EVERYBODY in the community who's above gold is telling blizzard to redesign the warhound, and i mean EVERYBODY. are they really not going to change it? Sometimes, what people need is not what they want. And I like the Warhound. I prefer it instead of a spellcaster or something like that. Almost ll units of terran are so stressful. You have to split your marines, you have to kite, you have to position your tanks, control properly your ghosts, and if you don't do that your shit will just die to a lot of lazers, storms, acid or broodlings. I like that, it's cool to micro, take a good position, etc. But, sometimes, when i'm raging, i just want to have a unit that makes my opponent deal with what i'm doing and suffer instead of the reverse. It's frustating to see all my tanks (that usually i spend so much time/effort macroing) becomes useless after just some Broodlords come into play. Browder said on some interview that Terrans already have so much shit to micro, Blizz didn't want to give one more shit to Terran players worry. When People start to incorporate more Tank/Widow Mine play into Warhound compositions this will become clear. | ||
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Deleted User 183001
2939 Posts
On September 08 2012 06:38 purakushi wrote: Oracle - Revelation has changed from E to R. - Entomb has changed from R to E. lol Just noticed that. I laughed too hard lol. | ||
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foxmulder_ms
United States140 Posts
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SupItsG
United States59 Posts
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InVerno
258 Posts
Well.. a new monster is born | ||
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Ramiz1989
12124 Posts
On September 08 2012 10:15 Omnidroid wrote: You're exaggerating the number of options we have. I only see in ZvT mid game either Ling/Bling/Muta or mass sling/infestor against non-mech. And either Roach/muta or roach/infestor with or without dropplay against mech.Roach/bane is good for all in. He isn't exaggerating, he doesn't have a clue what he is talking about. | ||
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