• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 08:30
CET 14:30
KST 22:30
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket3Weekly Cups (Nov 10-16): Reynor, Solar lead Zerg surge1[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation14Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA9
StarCraft 2
General
RSL Season 3: RO16 results & RO8 bracket GM / Master map hacker and general hacking and cheating thread Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close"
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest 2025 RSL Offline Finals Dates + Ticket Sales! $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 500 Fright night Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle What happened to TvZ on Retro? BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ SnOw's ASL S20 Finals Review BW General Discussion
Tourneys
[BSL21] GosuLeague T1 Ro16 - Tue & Thu 22:00 CET [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Current Meta How to stay on top of macro? PvZ map balance Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Should offensive tower rushing be viable in RTS games? Path of Exile
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI About SC2SEA.COM
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Korean Music Discussion
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Evangelium — Chapt…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2108 users

First Hots Beta Patch - Page 10

Forum Index > StarCraft 2 HotS
399 CommentsPost a Reply
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 20 Next All
Rah
Profile Joined February 2010
United States973 Posts
September 08 2012 13:28 GMT
#181
On September 08 2012 11:11 Belha wrote:
Stupid Blizzard proud. They will never redisign the retarded Warhound.

U.U


If they weren't too proud to redesign the retarded immortal and rebalance the tank, they wouldn't need the retarded warhound.
Streaming on twitch. http://www.twitch.tv/rahsun86
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 13:47:50
September 08 2012 13:46 GMT
#182
Umm, okay, I get that Blizzard don't like siege tanks, but seriously?

I mean, in WoL, siege tanks weren't even that scary, as a zerg you could ling surround, flank, roaches, as a Protoss, immortals, you name it. Tanks did very mediocre DPS with a slight splash (not exactly a large splash either).

However, with this expansion, every single unit is designed to counter the siege tank:
- Warhound (anti-mechanical, ridiculous HP, very fast)
- Battle Hellion (very beefy, takes the shots so that the higher damage units can snipe the tanks)
- Tempest (obvious)
- Viper (abduct and now blinding cloud)
- Swarm host (free units to take shots and attack tanks)

I really don't understand what was the point of it all, if you don't want Terran to build tanks in any match-up then simply remove the unit and put some units in with better thought-out skills.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
tns
Profile Joined June 2011
1054 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 14:35:30
September 08 2012 14:35 GMT
#183
Was wondering what kind of new hotkeys did they add?

Like what's the hotkey for "select all army" ? Ctrl A ?

And maybe other stuff? but I can't tell ~~ ... what's new for "in game features" hotkeys?
firebathero miss u♥! http://youtu.be/AXkoG9GnpcM - 1998/11/30 to 2001/05/18 BW stabilized! - WoL v.alpha HotS v.beta LotD v.gamma... summer 2017 SC3 (sc1remastered)
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
September 08 2012 14:53 GMT
#184
The best way to change WH is to just redesign it to be anti-air unit. lol
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
September 08 2012 15:01 GMT
#185
-2 dmg dmg to locus host ?
This wouldn't balance anything.
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Baalthersar
Profile Joined December 2011
Germany239 Posts
September 08 2012 15:01 GMT
#186
Like the changes
Qikz
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United Kingdom12023 Posts
September 08 2012 15:06 GMT
#187
On September 09 2012 00:01 SiroKO wrote:
-2 dmg dmg to locus host ?
This wouldn't balance anything.


No no no, the locusts themselves do -2 less damage.

Also after the warhound nerf I've seen a lot of Terrans completely getting owned with just warhounds as their army with battle hellions. Seems to have worked quite well! More tanks folks <3
FanTaSy's #1 Fan | STPL Caster/Organiser | SKT BEST KT | https://twitch.tv/stpl
blug
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia623 Posts
September 08 2012 15:16 GMT
#188
Good changes. Sheesh I wish they would get rid of the WarHound though.
Derp
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3357 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 15:20:16
September 08 2012 15:20 GMT
#189
On September 09 2012 00:06 Qikz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 00:01 SiroKO wrote:
-2 dmg dmg to locus host ?
This wouldn't balance anything.


No no no, the locusts themselves do -2 less damage.

Also after the warhound nerf I've seen a lot of Terrans completely getting owned with just warhounds as their army with battle hellions. Seems to have worked quite well! More tanks folks <3

Tanks currently get owned by mothership.
This beta has a long way to go.
Garmer
Profile Joined October 2010
1286 Posts
September 08 2012 15:22 GMT
#190
how can i have this patch via editor? i must reinstall the client?
Tao367
Profile Joined June 2012
United Kingdom324 Posts
September 08 2012 15:38 GMT
#191
On September 09 2012 00:20 pmp10 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 00:06 Qikz wrote:
On September 09 2012 00:01 SiroKO wrote:
-2 dmg dmg to locus host ?
This wouldn't balance anything.


No no no, the locusts themselves do -2 less damage.

Also after the warhound nerf I've seen a lot of Terrans completely getting owned with just warhounds as their army with battle hellions. Seems to have worked quite well! More tanks folks <3

Tanks currently get owned by mothership.
This beta has a long way to go.


Call me dumb, but what's your point about a mothership beating a tank? Tanks can't shoot up, or am I missing something?
Arco
Profile Joined September 2009
United States2090 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 15:41:57
September 08 2012 15:39 GMT
#192
Blinding Cloud in it's current state seems pretty strong. It works on Siege Tanks in Siege Mode. Even Dark Swarm was susceptitle to splash damage. For example, in Brood War late game versus Dark Swarm, Protoss had to rely on Archons, Reavers, and High Templar to kill units under Dark Swarm. Terran relied on Irradiate, Siege Mode, and Spider Mines.

Also, Blinding Cloud combined with chain Fungal means you can't micro out of it. Seems nuts. Hopefully we'll see some new tactics along with some updates to old ones to deal with this. :D
pmp10
Profile Joined April 2012
3357 Posts
September 08 2012 15:41 GMT
#193
On September 09 2012 00:38 Tao367 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 09 2012 00:20 pmp10 wrote:
On September 09 2012 00:06 Qikz wrote:
On September 09 2012 00:01 SiroKO wrote:
-2 dmg dmg to locus host ?
This wouldn't balance anything.


No no no, the locusts themselves do -2 less damage.

Also after the warhound nerf I've seen a lot of Terrans completely getting owned with just warhounds as their army with battle hellions. Seems to have worked quite well! More tanks folks <3

Tanks currently get owned by mothership.
This beta has a long way to go.


Call me dumb, but what's your point about a mothership beating a tank? Tanks can't shoot up, or am I missing something?

I meant tank-heavy terran compositions in TvP.
Which is likely why they don't get used.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
September 08 2012 16:45 GMT
#194
I still hope they will completely redesign the Warhound, and the dmg nerf is just a short fix for the meantime.
Off-season = best season
SarcasmMonster
Profile Joined October 2011
3136 Posts
September 08 2012 17:03 GMT
#195
On September 08 2012 22:28 Rah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 11:11 Belha wrote:
Stupid Blizzard proud. They will never redisign the retarded Warhound.

U.U


If they weren't too proud to redesign the retarded immortal and rebalance the tank, they wouldn't need the retarded warhound.


Of course not. Why would they? It's one of the most beloved unit.

Poll: Most loved protoss unit?

Stalker (76)
 
27%

Immortal (73)
 
26%

Warp Prism (39)
 
14%

Sentry (38)
 
13%

Phoenix (27)
 
10%

Colossus (12)
 
4%

Mothership (12)
 
4%

Void Ray (5)
 
2%

282 total votes

Your vote: Most loved protoss unit?

(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Warp Prism
(Vote): Colossus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Mothership

MMA: The true King of Wings
chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
September 08 2012 18:17 GMT
#196
glad that there's going to be a patch that weakens the warhound, it seems really powerful
Existor
Profile Joined July 2010
Russian Federation4295 Posts
September 08 2012 18:19 GMT
#197
Also, Blinding Cloud combined with chain Fungal means you can't micro out of it. Seems nuts. Hopefully we'll see some new tactics along with some updates to old ones to deal with this. :D

But viper+infestor requires 350 gas
Buchan
Profile Joined July 2011
Canada184 Posts
September 08 2012 18:30 GMT
#198
Nerf warhound and buff tanks please
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
September 08 2012 18:36 GMT
#199
On September 09 2012 02:03 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 22:28 Rah wrote:
On September 08 2012 11:11 Belha wrote:
Stupid Blizzard proud. They will never redisign the retarded Warhound.

U.U


If they weren't too proud to redesign the retarded immortal and rebalance the tank, they wouldn't need the retarded warhound.


Of course not. Why would they? It's one of the most beloved unit.

Poll: Most loved protoss unit?

Stalker (76)
 
27%

Immortal (73)
 
26%

Warp Prism (39)
 
14%

Sentry (38)
 
13%

Phoenix (27)
 
10%

Colossus (12)
 
4%

Mothership (12)
 
4%

Void Ray (5)
 
2%

282 total votes

Your vote: Most loved protoss unit?

(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Warp Prism
(Vote): Colossus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Mothership


yeah wtf, Immortal is awesome. Immortal and Warp Prism is even better
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
September 08 2012 18:41 GMT
#200
On September 09 2012 02:03 SarcasmMonster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 22:28 Rah wrote:
On September 08 2012 11:11 Belha wrote:
Stupid Blizzard proud. They will never redisign the retarded Warhound.

U.U


If they weren't too proud to redesign the retarded immortal and rebalance the tank, they wouldn't need the retarded warhound.


Of course not. Why would they? It's one of the most beloved unit.

Poll: Most loved protoss unit?

Stalker (76)
 
27%

Immortal (73)
 
26%

Warp Prism (39)
 
14%

Sentry (38)
 
13%

Phoenix (27)
 
10%

Colossus (12)
 
4%

Mothership (12)
 
4%

Void Ray (5)
 
2%

282 total votes

Your vote: Most loved protoss unit?

(Vote): Stalker
(Vote): Sentry
(Vote): Immortal
(Vote): Warp Prism
(Vote): Colossus
(Vote): Phoenix
(Vote): Void Ray
(Vote): Mothership



You purposefully left out the charge-lot! *shakesfist* Damn you!
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
Prev 1 8 9 10 11 12 20 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 9h 30m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
gerald23 79
LamboSC2 38
Trikslyr23
StarCraft: Brood War
actioN 5330
Calm 4578
Rain 3244
Horang2 2575
GuemChi 1789
Hyuk 1395
Bisu 1366
Stork 444
BeSt 414
Soma 328
[ Show more ]
Soulkey 222
Light 164
Pusan 160
EffOrt 158
Last 148
Leta 135
hero 102
Killer 76
Rush 75
ToSsGirL 40
Mind 32
Sharp 31
Aegong 28
Backho 27
Free 26
Shine 24
Movie 17
sas.Sziky 17
JulyZerg 15
yabsab 15
Barracks 14
zelot 13
scan(afreeca) 11
Shinee 10
Terrorterran 10
ivOry 9
Hm[arnc] 8
NaDa 0
Dota 2
singsing2377
qojqva579
Dendi554
XcaliburYe109
Counter-Strike
olofmeister1968
x6flipin482
allub246
Other Games
B2W.Neo1142
Fuzer 280
hiko210
Sick112
oskar68
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream10994
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 9
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH175
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• C_a_k_e 1570
League of Legends
• HappyZerGling103
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
9h 30m
RSL Revival
18h
herO vs Zoun
Classic vs Reynor
Maru vs SHIN
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
OSC
23h 30m
BSL: GosuLeague
1d 7h
RSL Revival
1d 18h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 22h
RSL Revival
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
2 days
IPSL
3 days
Julia vs Artosis
JDConan vs DragOn
RSL Revival
3 days
[ Show More ]
Wardi Open
4 days
IPSL
4 days
StRyKeR vs OldBoy
Sziky vs Tarson
Replay Cast
4 days
Monday Night Weeklies
5 days
Replay Cast
5 days
Wardi Open
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
Wardi Open
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-16
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.