EPTI commend you for taking a stance against imbalance/stupid designs instead of just always defending Terran.
I'll consider your words with more weight from now on.
The warhound - a deathball unit, not a "mech" unit - Page 4
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neoghaleon55
United States7435 Posts
I commend you for taking a stance against imbalance/stupid designs instead of just always defending Terran. I'll consider your words with more weight from now on. | ||
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Chronos.
United States805 Posts
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SilSol
Sweden2744 Posts
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On September 06 2012 09:59 QuanticTheognis wrote: I concur with this statement. Two years of dying to colossus... let's do it! :D People with any sort of impact shouldn't be too careless with their jokes. Blizzard will see this and immediately seal the deal on the warhound D: Stop hurting ESPORTS! As to Avilo, I like how much you've thought it through. I've got my own, simpler change proposition, though. First-off, I like the idea of building turrets in the field, so let's not get rid of the potential for such a cool tactic with your warhound change. Instead, let's remove the warhound and thor, then bring-in the goliath. Sounds good, huh? Your widow-mine change will work well with this, too. Pretty close to Brood War, but still an interesting, fun style of play -- mech! | ||
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
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BEARDiaguz
Australia2362 Posts
On September 06 2012 10:02 neoghaleon55 wrote: wow avilo I commend you for taking a stance against imbalance/stupid designs instead of just always defending Terran. I'll consider your words with more weight from now on. Considering he has to play TvT vs the fucking things don't think this is purely selfless. Not that I'd blame him though, warhounds are fucking absurd. | ||
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Empirimancer
Canada1024 Posts
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CikaZombi
Serbia630 Posts
EDIT: Mr. Browder never said such a thing. | ||
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hpTheGreat
United States173 Posts
For whatever reason, they refuse to give us the units that worked perfectly in brood war. Instead they give us almost the same thing but slightly different. Just enough to say that this is an original, fresh idea. (examples: swarm host/lurker, warhound/goliath, viper/defiler, mothership/arbiter, battle hellion/firebat, new mine/vulture). I dont know... pretty disappointed from what I've seen so far... I hope they do a good job and turn this around. Not impressed. | ||
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Luepert
United States1934 Posts
On September 06 2012 09:20 Godwrath wrote: So you play zerg. Okey that's interesting. Why aren't you proposing changes for zergs ? Because he doesn't plan on playing zerg again? | ||
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Disengaged
United States6994 Posts
On September 06 2012 10:09 iaguz wrote: Considering he has to play TvT vs the fucking things don't think this is purely selfless. Not that I'd blame him though, warhounds are fucking absurd. They don't do so well against mass siege tanks. | ||
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Shebuha
Canada1335 Posts
Remove the Thor and increase the size/cost/damage of the Warhound and give it a bad anti air attack. | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
Isn't mech a deathball in general? You sit behind tanks, turrets, PF's, and sensor towers until you have a maxed out deathball and then you move out. sure you siege and unsiege every now and then but in general its just attack move. There are no spells to cast, no real micro besides siege and unsiege, and the person that makes a mistake first loses the game. Just playing devils advocate. | ||
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NATO
United States459 Posts
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NeMeSiS3
Canada2972 Posts
On September 06 2012 10:24 LgNKami wrote: Dont mean to start an argument but... Isn't mech a deathball in general? You sit behind tanks, turrets, PF's, and sensor towers until you have a maxed out deathball and then you move out. sure you siege and unsiege every now and then but in general its just attack move. There are no spells to cast, no real micro besides siege and unsiege, and the person that makes a mistake first loses the game. Just playing devils advocate. I dunno how you cam to this conclusion but I will argue from a BW perspective leading into SC2 In BW mech was relatively about positioning, you cut the map with "less" units that could hold positions against bigger armies and then eventually you either win the war of attrition or you create a big enough army to push (usually leap frog) across the map and win. In SC2 mech has turned a lot more into a "deathball" and it kind of defeats the purpose mainly because tanks a) can't hold the positions they could in BW against armies that are frankly stronger than BW armies and b) you don't have positional mines (not these new stupid mines) that can hold areas for long periods of time so that protoss would have to clear the fields before moving foward giving you time to reposition etc etc. Now with SC2 mech, it's going from a mix between "positional" and "deathball" to pure deathball, who would make tanks in TvP and if you do it won't be many because they blow and then you'll just get this giant ball of warhound/batltehellion/thor/scvs and move around the map... T.T | ||
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Cedstick
Canada3336 Posts
On September 06 2012 10:24 LgNKami wrote: Dont mean to start an argument but... Isn't mech a deathball in general? You sit behind tanks, turrets, PF's, and sensor towers until you have a maxed out deathball and then you move out. sure you siege and unsiege every now and then but in general its just attack move. There are no spells to cast, no real micro besides siege and unsiege, and the person that makes a mistake first loses the game. Just playing devils advocate. It's actually very mechanical, as it's not really a deathball -- "deathball" implies an army on one hotkey that's on attack-move. You're asking to be destroyed if your tanks are too close; a good spread is needed. It might be a little less mechanical in execution than Brood War, but between the siege-leaping, constant re-positioning and eventual target-firing -- it will get to that point, at least on the semi-pro/pro level -- it's far more mechanical than a literal attack-moving ball-of-death. If you played competitive Terran in Brood War, you'd know the pain  For real, though, once you start to be able to keep-up with the requirements of meching, it's a lot of fun. | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On September 06 2012 10:31 NeMeSiS3 wrote: I dunno how you cam to this conclusion but I will argue from a BW perspective leading into SC2 In BW mech was relatively about positioning, you cut the map with "less" units that could hold positions against bigger armies and then eventually you either win the war of attrition or you create a big enough army to push (usually leap frog) across the map and win. In SC2 mech has turned a lot more into a "deathball" and it kind of defeats the purpose mainly because tanks a) can't hold the positions they could in BW against armies that are frankly stronger than BW armies and b) you don't have positional mines (not these new stupid mines) that can hold areas for long periods of time so that protoss would have to clear the fields before moving foward giving you time to reposition etc etc. Now with SC2 mech, it's going from a mix between "positional" and "deathball" to pure deathball, who would make tanks in TvP and if you do it won't be many because they blow and then you'll just get this giant ball of warhound/batltehellion/thor/scvs and move around the map... T.T thats what im saying though. in sc2 whenever I see anyone play mech, they play "positional" mech until they max out and then just attack move. I have yet to see a full out positional mech game. Even in the GSL. If we were talking Marine Tank, that would be completely different but only in TvT as marine tank isn't an option vs toss and its starting to die out vs zerg as people are starting to use Mech or pure bio. | ||
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Kajarn
United States126 Posts
The goal of the warhound was to help TvT become less tank-liney. (However, I don't even believe this was warrented, as Thors where shown to be useful and adapent at destroying tank lines.) The result is this boring generic unit which is well-rounded and amazing in certain senarios(breaking tank lines and vs stalkers) at the same time. Sadly, I don't belive their is a way to save this unit. I do think that mech is still viable with the Mine, Hellion, Tank and Thor. You can still do some cute early pushes with mines, hellions and tanks, and still have a great mech late game (Thors and Ravens). I believe Blizzard should have used this spot to add a mech unit that supports bio or a true mech caster. There are tons of creative options that could have added more depth to terran than a walking viking that shoots missles. What about making the Warhound a walking support mech unit, which had an AOE mech repair spell, protection matrix and some other support spell along with a crappy attack. Make it reasonable gas expensive. There is just a random idea that I thought of in 5 minutes and sounds like an infinitly better starting place than a gundam suit. I hope the warhound doesn't ruin HOTS. | ||
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Moka
Canada942 Posts
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Zealot Lord
Hong Kong747 Posts
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