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shinyA
United States473 Posts
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:10 PauseBreak wrote: I don't think making the game easier is the correct move to bring players in. The game already isn't that complicated but I think the major issue is that Ladder is really scary to some people. That's why most people play Team Games because there is more blame to pass around than on just one person, namely, you or me in a 1s game. That's just my opinion. What about Larva Inject? That's a difficult mechanic for new people to learn and be consistent with. Should Blizzard just make that auto too now? Seriously, Larva Inject although not too hard for the more seasoned player is tough to handle as a new player. And just causally making it an auto skill would drastically change the game. I hope I've made my point clear with that situation. As not to be polarizing the community, but making things auto, just for the sake of or in the name of "new players" is a path this game should not be taking. It starts small, and gets bigger. That's why I am so passionate about it now. I'm not throwing chairs and tossing tables. I just believe that chipping away small pieces now is going to make it easier for a cave in later. There is a whole world different between inject timing and being to see the worker count on a base. Like really different that it is not comparable. Larvae inject differentiate good and bad players because the outcome of good inject really matter in the macro. Moreover, top level players do not always have perfect inject, even pro players still slip in the inject cycle sometimes. Missing injection can lead you to immediately lose the game. However, having 1-3 more or less workers per base does not lead you to losing the game. There are more important things or skill that matter to the game more than seeing the worker count on a base. Pro players can already check the worker count by glance or quick boxing, so checking the worker count right now is more of automatically thing for them, so it does not affect the pro-level competition. Also, seeing the optimal number of workers per base does not make bad players good if they because they just lack understanding of the game or mechanic. So they still have to improve those aspect to become better. So the option have like 0 effect pro-level play, but it helps new players learn a lot or have easier time tracking the number of workers. I don't think it's a problem at all. Sure if most pro players cannot count the workers, then it would be a big deal but it is not the case here. | ||
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Belha
Italy2850 Posts
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Stam
24 Posts
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Heavenlee
United States966 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:23 Veldril wrote: There is a whole world different between inject timing and being to see the worker count on a base. Like really different that it is not comparable. Larvae inject differentiate good and bad players because the outcome of good inject really matter in the macro. Moreover, top level players do not always have perfect inject, even pro players still slip in the inject cycle sometimes. Missing injection can lead you to immediately lose the game. However, having 1-3 more or less workers per base does not lead you to losing the game. There are more important things or skill that matter to the game more than seeing the worker count on a base. Pro players can already check the worker count by glance or quick boxing, so checking the worker count right now is more of automatically thing for them, so it does not affect the pro-level competition. Also, seeing the optimal number of workers per base does not make bad players good if they because they just lack understanding of the game or mechanic. So they still have to improve those aspect to become better. So the option have like 0 effect pro-level play, but it helps new players learn a lot or have easier time tracking the number of workers. I don't think it's a problem at all. Sure if most pro players cannot count the workers, then it would be a big deal but it is not the case here. It's pretty clear by the fact he thinks auto-inject and your workers going to the mineral patch (while actual splitting is still optimal in this situation, this just helps people with lag problems that can't do it in the first second or so) are the same thing that this guy's opinion is a little suspect. May as well compare the in-game clock timer to having a blink hack. I really hope the new additions to the game create insane new micro, harass, and timing options so we can laugh in the face of people who think the game is being dumbed down because of auto-mine. | ||
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willoc
Canada1530 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:25 Stam wrote: KiWiKaKi already back for HOTS: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V0VBbnRBzKU Wow, oracle and tempest is an awesome combo for sniping. | ||
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PauseBreak
United States270 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:27 Heavenlee wrote: It's pretty clear by the fact he thinks auto-inject and your workers going to the mineral patch (while actual splitting is still optimal in this situation, this just helps people with lag problems that can't do it in the first second or so) are the same thing that this guy's opinion is a little suspect. May as well compare the in-game clock timer to having a blink hack. I really hope the new additions to the game create insane new micro, harass, and timing options so we can laugh in the face of people who think the game is being dumbed down because of auto-mine. Seriously? Laugh at people, what are you 10 years old? Some are starting to upset me. None of you are getting the point. You keep suggestion that people in my opinion (which are actually many) think that a bronze can now be a GSL super star. Wrong. If you took the time to read an entire post instead of the first and last 3 words you would understand that its about slowly watering down the mechanics of the game. No its not ground breaking, but its a start to something that degrades the game's skill cap. Moreover, you get punks with statements like, "hahahahah its not going to break the game, hahah stupid people think its a problem hahahah people are stupid." At least Veldril was smart enough to post his opinion clearly enough with an argument that isn't polarizing. For as liberal and "equality for everyone man" as these forums proudly beat their chest they certainly don't show it. Most of the replies are summed up as "You're stupid and you're wrong because of your league and post count" | ||
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Kharnage
Australia920 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:08 chuDr3t4 wrote: Why are you talking about things without seeing them? Saying geysers already show you something in WoL gives you out. In HotS there is floating text above Town Halls and geysers showing saturation. You can't see it by simply selecting, you see it by getting it in your cam vision. http://i.imgur.com/oB1TN.jpg Awesome, thanks for that. So you still need to look at the townhall, like, move your screen view there? That's good at least. You're right, I don't have HotS beta, and I assumed it would be the same as in WoL how if you select a geyser it'll tell you how many workers you have working on it. That's not too bad at all then imho. Can I assume that you don't see it for your opponents townhalls? What I'd love to see is if features like this could be only enabled in custom games or ladder games if you are in certain leagues. Like, once you hit gold that gets disabled. Once you hit diamond automine disables, etc. | ||
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Csong
Canada396 Posts
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Xanbatou
United States805 Posts
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Vorrenus
Afghanistan94 Posts
EDIT: found it; BCs' damage to ground was increased to 10 from 8. | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
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Dagan159
United States203 Posts
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nkr
Sweden5451 Posts
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Arghmyliver
United States1077 Posts
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Er
Germany7 Posts
I think it IS faster. omg why that? are they retarded lol. Why make the game even faster? I think that is really not good. Im on Blizzards side most time because internet-people are often just dumb. But why oh why make the game even faster? i really wont get that. | ||
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Bibbit
Canada5377 Posts
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DemigodcelpH
1138 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:39 Vorrenus wrote: So how big is the battlecruiser buff, can anyone tell me? EDIT: found it; BCs' damage to ground was increased to 10 from 8. Where did you find that? | ||
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Brutaxilos
United States2633 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:57 Er wrote: @Bruxtaxilos I think it IS faster. omg why that? are they retarded lol. Why make the game even faster? I think that is really not good. Im on Blizzards side most time because internet-people are often just dumb. But why oh why make the game even faster? i really wont get that. I for one, support it being faster though. They actually dumbed down a lot of the game and I think it would be pretty cool to raise the skill ceiling for this. Also, this might encourage more people to play as games will be shorter. | ||
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Maynarde
Australia1286 Posts
On September 05 2012 14:55 Arghmyliver wrote: Now I really wanna play but they took all the custom maps down from WoL : (. Somehow I feel like that was unnecessary. That can't possibly make them any more money can it? Um, no? lol | ||
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