[Spoilers] Disappointed with the campaign... - Page 6

On August 07 2010 03:23 Blaec wrote:
The campaign story was lame. But i enjoyed playing, and the Kerrigan betrayed cinematic was absolutely awesome.

And its not like BW didnt have convenient illogical and lame parts to its campaign.

Now I just want to know how they are going to have characters in the Zerg third of the campaign? Are we going to play a Hydralisk, pulling together his ragtag gang of zerg to bring Kerrigan back?

On August 06 2010 18:34 fathead wrote:

This is by far your most valid point and I felt the same way times 10. It felt much much shorter then the original, despite being more expensive than most games. In fact for a campaign marketed as the most epic thing in history, it was VERY lacking, in fact it felt MUCH less epic that many of the games I played in recent past that were 10-20 bucks cheaper.

However, for the rest of your post I think you are being too harsh. I would guess most people here are in the 18-35 demographic which means most of us played SC1 when we were teens/preteens, back when we were young and impressionable, and didn't know what a good story really looked liked.

What we forget is that SC/BW's story wasn't really that great, it was also full of holes and lacked character motivation; its time line seems unrealistic (all those events of SC + BW taking less than a year?), and it lacked for sight; many of the holes I found in SC2 were the result of SC's story being made up as they went along. The fact is that most game's stories suck. The only ones that are decent are the adventure games, of which their whole selling point is the story, and the game is built from the ground up around that fact.

At its core SC will always be a competitive online game. The story will always be the second or even third priority (I would say game mechanics 1, balance 2). By that standard SC had an amazing story. I can't think of many other games built from the ground up for online competition who's single player was on par with SC. True, there are many games that far surpass SC's single player by leaps and bounds but they are supposed to, since most of them don't even have a multi-player option, and is focused on story telling.

If you ever play a game like The Longest Journey or Deus Ex or one of the classic Sierra/Lucas game, or my personal favorite Vampire Bloodlines; you will know what the height of gaming storytelling can be. SC2 doesn't reach those heights, but to pretend SC1 did is to fall in the trap of nostalgic revisionist memory. What SC2 offers is a squeal and update to the greatest pro league game of all time. It is by that standard that you can criticize its single player.

This however leads to an underling question as to weather or not the expansions should be purchased if there main focus is on the campaign and not multi-player. My answer is that if money is tight, which for most of us it is, than by judging from the quality of WoL, I would say no. There is just no way to justify buying a game's campaign in three $60+ installments unless it is out of this world incredibly epic. SC2 isn't even remotely close to that qualification. I see no reason why all three campaigns weren't including considering the price tag. If that's the best Blizzard can do with a reported $100 million dollar budget and SEVEN years of development than there needs everyone associated with the project needs to be fired.

On August 07 2010 05:37 nemanja1503 wrote:
This brings me to another point. I find it that too few SCII cinematics show large scale combat or any combat for that matter, if I remember them all correctly there are three good cinematics from that POV, escape from Mar Sara, arrival on Char and KerriVSZerathul.

Also does any one else feel that it's a great shame that the last stand of the Protoss wasn't a cinematic, that would have been the best moment in the game imo.

On August 06 2010 19:35 alsowikk wrote:
Anyone else notice how Tychus uses a lazer and waits so Raynor can see before he shoots. It's pretty obvious Tychus wants Raynor to stop him but Tychus has to go along with the plan since the suits reactor can be overloaded if he disobeys

On August 07 2010 02:39 0mar wrote:



All those things, save for LAN and cross-realm, have nothing to do with a competitive game. Hell, Xbox360 games are competitively played and they have auto-aim ffs.

On August 07 2010 03:02 Ichabod wrote:
Landing successfully on char seemed weird, was hoping for nukes clearing a landing zone, would have been more badass.

Hope the expacs have more depth (and they come sooner than 2-3 years away) but oh well, a near perfectly balanced RTS is the only thing that can satisfy everyone.

On August 04 2010 21:37 Shaithis wrote:Also, miraS naruD, the head of Moebius Foundation; wtf are we in 3rd grade still?

On August 07 2010 06:05 nemanja1503 wrote:


I initially missed this, but have been thinking more of it lately.

It's nice to think that, and it fits in with Tychus's "inner struggle" but it also makes Raynor an ass. It is plain to see that Tychus is in a bind (literally) and he should have reacted way sooner and helped his old friend, rather then help him commit assisted suicide. They can still salvage this by keeping Tychus alive (and in fact saved by Raynor's shot somehow) because we never see him die and there is one rule with blizzard that has been proven true time and time again and that is if a character is not seen explicitly dead (and sometimes even then), that character is bound to be back.

On the other hand, it just may be us thinking of things not really there in an attempt to make a poor story better. :-(

PS. I can bet anything that some of the "patches" for plot holes given by people on various forums will be used by the developers with the answer "it was our idea all along" which may be true in some, but not all cases.

Now I just want to know how they are going to have characters in the Zerg third of the campaign? Are we going to play a Hydralisk, pulling together his ragtag gang of zerg to bring Kerrigan back?

Also, to people complaining about the deus ex machina, you could say the same about the xel'naga temple from BW's protoss campaign. It was an artifact that wiped out all zerg across a planet, was of xel'naga origin, needed parts to be scavenged from around the sector and then put together at the location of its use, and required time to power up, resulting in a "hold the area" mission. It worked just fine in BW, so why is it so bad now?

The plot was set up for the expansions as they reintroduced characters, changed things around a bit, didn't explain everything away, but still allowed for a good ending for Raynor. It's like how in Star Wars, they managed to make a big blow against the Empire and had a great victory and it was happiness all around but they still had a lot to do in the next movies.

Yea that sure looks Star Wars-esque like. Might we as well call it Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm - The Terran Dominion Strikes Back where Darth Mengsk really is a puppet under The Dark Voice (Darth Sideous anyone?). And then the second expansion will be Legacy of the Void - The Return of the Xel'Naga?? Sure bears alot of resemblance to Star Wars. And lets not forget Valerian Mengsk who is Luke Skywalker while Jim Raynor is Han Solo with Matt Horner being his lovely assistant Chewbacca