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On August 05 2010 05:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
It's one of the worst stories to come out of a video game in the past decade.
errr no, quite frankly there are far far far worse stories over the past decade. I know this is a personal quality judgement, but your statement is so far from the truth that I can pretty safely say it's flat out wrong. I thought the story was well done, and while I may have been more impressed with the BW story line (could just be nostalgia), sc2's plot is much better than most other games.
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megnsk could have made tychus kill raynor but he wants kerrigan dead for a reason that its not even mentioned in the game which will become more clear in the next game thats why theirs 3 games... and kate lockwell was funny you cant complicate the game and make to serious or becomes dull and boring i loved watching the news because it was funny how she was telling the truth when the other makes them sound even worse in a good way lol
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I have to agree with you. The plot had a lot of holes in it and the dumbed-down characters was irritating. I was expecting more grand scheme from Mengsk. He's someone with good judgement and a sharp mind - it didn't show.
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On August 05 2010 08:17 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 07:23 TOloseGT wrote:
We've only seen 1/3 of the story. I wasn't all that satisfied with the Terran campaign in Starcraft original either. Stop making these comparisons. This is not the equivalent of the Terran campaign. It's the equivalent of all of Classic SC.
This is like bitching about ME 1 because it didn't complete the story. Stop making unfair compairisons. The fact is this is only a THIRD of the story and it should be considered as much. Anyone who thinks that you have to look at this in a vacuum probably hated Half-life 2 as well because it was only half of the game.
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On August 04 2010 20:54 Random() wrote:
The invasion of Char makes about as much sense. In the end of BW, BOTH the terrans and the protoss were crushed by the Zerg and forced to run. Zerg ruled the Universe. Then 4 years later, a PART of the dominion fleet that couldn't even hold the Zerg attack on their own worlds is able to invade the Zerg homeworld and kill their leader?
To be fair, all they really did was manage to survive for about half an hour with the aid of a relic that pretty much wiped out all zerg nearby. So within their fiction, yes it makes sense
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I loved the game and I loved the end even when I knew it was coming. But this is not the game they are selling. This is the campaign for Terran they are selling. You will have the full game once the Zerg and Protoss campaigns' are completed.
The only thing I think that they need to improve upon is the dialogue. Because some of it sounded so bad and stupid I cringed and had to turn away.
The only thing I miss and hope they can expand upon is the element of surprise, and the drama created with that surprise. The next game I hope they do not show the half the storyline. I'm 100% sure that if I had not seen any of the spoilers, the commericals, and etc that I would have been more happy with the game.
All of the spoilers, interviews, and commericals added to the hype, but when they released the game and I finished it, I realized I had seen almost 2/3 of the game's story and knew what was gonna happen before I even played the game. They just need to keep the rest of the story a secret for the next expansions.
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What I miss about the BW ending, was that it left a bitter feeling in my mouth. In the sc2 campaign there are way, too, many feel good moments.
Not to mention they copy pasted a mission from the first T campaign... That killed the creativity for me that early.
I didnt mind the voice acting too much, I am good at getting used to new stuff like that.
I liked the twist that Kerrigan HAD to stay alive, that's the climax for me... It killed it for me that the cinematic where Zeratul / Kerrigan fight, was the ONLY part of the "old kerrigan".
They tried to pull a Kerrigan (like she infiltrated the toss during their sc bw campaign) with Tychus. And I didnt even need our favorite spectre to give me the thought that he wasn't totally clean.
(Though I killed him before I got more info than "someone on your crew is a traitor" message.
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The campaign is a lot of fun, but the whole plot progression is slow with a lot of fillers.
-Dr Hanson / Tosh / Nova who wil leave you in the future
-Collecting artifacts
-Spreading anti-Mengsk Propaganda
-Assaulting char
In SC1 almost every mission+objective is a matter of victory and defeat of your race (plot wise)
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On August 04 2010 12:19 Clutch8 wrote:
I loved the story. The ending was what I wanted and never thought I would get.
My thoughts exactly.
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On August 05 2010 15:33 Djzapz wrote:Show nested quote +On August 04 2010 12:19 Clutch8 wrote:
I loved the story. The ending was what I wanted and never thought I would get. My thoughts exactly.
+1 Man i wanted that so bad but always was=> Some shit is going to happend and this will be a damn tragic end like it is most of the time... and then Victory god damn i was so damn happy i got chills on the end of the vid.
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I, for one, most emphatically DO NOT miss the bitter ending of SC BW. To be honest, I've gotten sick over the years of Blizzard's enormously depressing story lines. This was a very nice departure from that.
Loved the ending. It was extraordinarily satisfying. I've been waiting ten years (since the release of BW) for Raynor to save his lady, and he finally did it  In my mind, it was an epic story of personal devotion...he literally went to the ends of the earth burning a path of destruction through whoever and whatever stood in his path, just to get her back. And he did it.
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On August 05 2010 15:37 checo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 15:33 Djzapz wrote:On August 04 2010 12:19 Clutch8 wrote:
I loved the story. The ending was what I wanted and never thought I would get. My thoughts exactly. +1 Man i wanted that so bad but always was=> Some shit is going to happend and this will be a damn tragic end like it is most of the time... and then Victory god damn i was so damn happy i got chills on the end of the vid.
I'm with ya. It was awesome. Brought a tear to my eye
Finally, FINALLY Blizzard let the good guys win one. He brought her home, finally
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I have to say that I was really into Zeratul's missions, but once I heard "I love it when a plan comes together" from the 'Fallen One', after 'In Utter Darkness', it completely ruined the atmosphere. Who knew Hannibal Smith was so evil.
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Strongly disliked the ending, Queen of Blades was the best character the storyline of SC had by far. Human Kerrigan, or even a Kerrigan sympathetic to terran goals is going to really ruin Heart of the Swarm if they go that way. I want the murdering, evil, psychotic bitch back.
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On August 05 2010 11:57 afirlortwo wrote:Show nested quote +On August 05 2010 05:43 Stratos_speAr wrote:
It's one of the worst stories to come out of a video game in the past decade.
errr no, quite frankly there are far far far worse stories over the past decade. I know this is a personal quality judgement, but your statement is so far from the truth that I can pretty safely say it's flat out wrong. I thought the story was well done, and while I may have been more impressed with the BW story line (could just be nostalgia), sc2's plot is much better than most other games.
And the bolded part lets me say that your opinion is flat out wrong. The story was terribly delivered and is unbelievably cliche, with rehashed story elements that any respectable writer laugh at.
To be fair, all they really did was manage to survive for about half an hour with the aid of a relic that pretty much wiped out all zerg nearby. So within their fiction, yes it makes sense
Google "Deus ex machina".
Super weapons don't count as "Making sense", or good story telling in general.
This is like bitching about ME 1 because it didn't complete the story. Stop making unfair compairisons. The fact is this is only a THIRD of the story and it should be considered as much. Anyone who thinks that you have to look at this in a vacuum probably hated Half-life 2 as well because it was only half of the game.
No matter what your stance is, being 1/3rd of the story isn't justification for an entire stand-alone game's story to be complete and utter shit.
I, for one, most emphatically DO NOT miss the bitter ending of SC BW. To be honest, I've gotten sick over the years of Blizzard's enormously depressing story lines. This was a very nice departure from that.
Blizzard isn't incredibly depressing...
Warcraft:
Orcs & Humans - Orcs wipe out Azeroth. Evil wins.
Tides of Darkness - Humans destroy the Dark Portal. Good wins.
Beyond the Dark Portal - Orcs escape but Humans destroy the Portal again. Neutral ending.
Reign of Chaos - Archimonde is slain. Overall, good wins.
The Frozen Throne - Orcs secure Durotar, Night Elves save the world, Blood Elves escape and get what they want, Arthas becomes Lich King. Neutral/good ending.
Diablo:
1 - Kill Diablo, but good guy goes crazy. Neutral/evil ending.
2 - Kill All 3 brothers. Good ending.
Starcraft:
Classic - Overmind is killed, but with heavy losses. Overall, good wins.
Brood War - Kerrigan crushes everyone. Evil wins.
Wing of Liberty - Kerrigan is de-infested. Good wins.
Hardly an overly depressing company. This isn't 40k or anything like that...
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I enjoyed the campaign despite the plot holes and other minor annoyances
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On August 04 2010 14:58 MIKE HUTN EASY wrote:
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha omg you put all this effort in to complete crap, Tychus was working for mobeius,not mengsk, and say w/e you want like oh same thing, it wasn't, tychus wanted to be free stated when he fights raynor and says he got a taste of freedom and thats what he wants, he wanted to take down mengsk, seriously if your going to complain about plot holes you should have a half competent understand of the plot, I think you were the one hit in the head before this game, but thanks for the LULZ
User was temp banned for this post.
My brain overloaded trying to decipher this nonsense O_o
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a bit of a let down following the broodwar campaing. The characters just dont feel as good or as consistent as they did in broodwar. The fact that the voice acting was done separately is painfully obvious. The flow is broken in-between scenes which makes Raynor look like he had mad moodswings. Raynor was a weak character in this game. He drinks but you dont get to see how drinking takes a toll on his performance, or how the crew disrespects him because of it, or how far gone he was from his former glory. Tychus talks a lot about "the good old days" with raynor, but the relationship they share is distant and more like that of a merc and employer than old friends. There should have been at least a flashback mission to build on that relationship.
And I think what hurt wings of liberty the most was the lack of a good villain. Menkst looks to be just another meathead all talk no walk emperor, tychus' betrayal was hardly a surprise, and inconsequential because he didnt succeed. Kerrigan doesnt do anything particularly sinister in the campaign. In broodwar she tricks and kills Fenix and backstabs the protoss after tricking everyone into believing in her innocence. She was fabulous in broodwar, but in WoL all she does is walk around and look pretty/creepy.
The cinematics in WoL was jaw droppingly beautiful, but the narration is really bland.
Also, zeratul's switch from a fearsome warrior into a weak prophet who doesnt even stay to chat with old friends completely robs him of his stylishness.
I hope zerg expansion does a better job of telling the story.
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After the secret mission I immediately assumed that Duran was mind controlling Mengsk the whole time. Ever notice how he could give 2 shits about Raynor stopping him? His focus was the zerg the whole time. (Mind control might explain his character change...As for Raynor..I don't have much theory there except he drank a lot and he went through TONS of shit in the earlier parts of the SC saga.)
Also, why would they want Tychus to kill Kerrigan...NOT Raynor..?
The only thing I assumed at the ending was Mengsk has to be a puppet due to the fact that they knew if Kerrigan was dead, no one could stop the zerg.
How it was delivered? Could have been way better, but I am usually pretty good at predicting sequals, and I can pretty much taste Mengsk being a puppet at the tip of my tongue right now. Not only by ordering Tychus to kill Kerrigan will the T/P not stand a chance, but that means Duran has the possibility of taking over the swarm.
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