EPTIt simply doesn't have the fundamental story arc, and it's really painful.
SC2 Campaign aimed for 13 year old boys? - Page 8
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NotJack
United States737 Posts
It simply doesn't have the fundamental story arc, and it's really painful. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On July 29 2010 09:22 TheYango wrote: The story for Dawn of War singleplayer (assuming that's the Warhammer you're referring to) is just as trite as SC2's if not more so. Warcraft 3's storyline is just as derivative of Starcraft as Starcraft 2 is of Warcraft 3, and the C&C series is deliberately over-the-top. I'd hardly call any of them engaging and immersive. To be fair, the DoW2 story sucked, but Chaos Rising's story was pretty awesome. That said, no one's gotten even close to doing the 40k universe true justice in a video game. Probably the best fantasy universe I've ever read about/played in. But yes, I'm not even all the way through and I'm getting very disappointed. The engine itself is fantastic - the way you can get through missions, get info, choose your own path through various missions, etc... It's all great, but the story itself feels incredibly underdeveloped. | ||
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chraej.
51 Posts
i think blizz is trying to stretch some ideas over all SC2 titles - which makes it feel like lame watery story with lack luster dialog and confusing direction. It's not the worst thing i've ever witnessed but it never really goes anywhere. also there are parts of the story that just kind of happen without much explanation But...the game play is still pretty fun so i suppose it evens out | ||
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Nuxar
Canada212 Posts
Ok... IMO, everything was perfect or nearly perfect. Obviously, a slightly less "childish" dialog would be better but, compared to Sc1, I found that every aspect of the new story was epic. Missions were always fun but what was funner is when your tired of always having a CC to control then PLOP, a super-awesome mission which is very unique | (Tosh, Zeratul, ...). Music was beautiful during the missions and cinematics. The story itself so farm and how its told is simply....mind-blowing, rly... All in all, I love the campaign, dont know why you guys are complaining...then again, you dont have my opinion :p | ||
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Cri du Chat
Germany606 Posts
The story is not really bad i would say, it is more llike you where watching a B-Movie. The characters act pretty strange sometimes. + Show Spoiler + For example after the fight scene. Raynor nearly got killed there, and only wants his Juke Box fixed? I know he is supposed to look extra cool there, but i thought that the scene is just silly. For a computer game the whole presentation is of course pretty good, but the Warcraft 3 Story just was more Epic in my opinion and it had more surprising turns. I just expected a little bit more, but can't really complain that much. | ||
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renshank
United States41 Posts
On July 29 2010 01:05 Rhinoceros wrote: My favorite part is 'This is a commander I can get behind'. I guess Blizzard thought Raynor was such a weak character in SC2 that they vocally needed to tell us that he's a 'commander we can get behind'. Runner up line: "Lets kick this revolution into overdrive!' I can't believe Chris Metzen is paid for this. Neither can I. Seriously. I don't even know what else to say. The entire storyline was terrible, and I'm ashamed to have told people to buy this game (because they'll all play single player and think I'm an idiot). | ||
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ibogdandx
180 Posts
Indeed , on brutal , the dialogues will be different ? /profit ? Anyways on a serios note , im"Kinda"fine with the storyy , because it continues with the Protoss campaign and zerg one so...im realy curios what zerg will do tbh Altho , it seemed a bit easy yes (Dont say BRUTAL?!?! WTF ). If i would to say smthn i would say 10/10 storyline and 5/10 play + Show Spoiler + PS: Loved that in the end Queen of Blades un-Zerged since Raynor and her were imo best chars ever if i dont count Zeratul Probably if this was a movie would be great like LOTR and was in 4-5parts but was a bit QQ And also some1 mentioned the storyteling in SC and BW , i must say that the SC/BW story is far more awesome and not so dull even tho SC/BW didnt have so many cutscenes and shit | ||
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The_Voidless
United States184 Posts
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antelope591
Canada820 Posts
On July 29 2010 09:26 Half wrote: Theirs a difference between original and memorable or immersive. Nobody is criticizing Starcraft 2 because it "derivative". WC3 had a far more immersive and well told single campaign then Starcraft 2 easily, without question. WC3 story was awesome but TFT...not so much imo. I think SC2 story wasn't THAT bad, not on SC/BW level but still good for an RTS. A big weakness which I haven't seen many people talk about is the fact that it's told only from the terran perspective. Personally, I always enjoyed the Protoss campaigns more than the others in the original/expansion and the Zeratul portion of the second one was my favorite part of SC2. | ||
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Zombo Joe
Canada850 Posts
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0mar
United States567 Posts
On July 29 2010 06:18 Takkara wrote: Again I ask, how exactly was Half-Life a great written story? Half-Life (+sequels) is full of nothing but intelligent dialog and extremely well-directed gameplay. I mean, compare the dialog from HL and HL2 to SC2. In HL2, you have the broadcasts by Breen, exposition from main characters and idle banter. There are some minor in-universe jokes, but nothing overt. Most importantly, none of the dialog feels forced, the voice actors did a tremendous job and you get the feeling that thought and care went into how the world was presented. Now compare it to SC2. SC2 feels like it was written by 5th graders for 4th graders. If you played a drinking game where you took a shot every time you heard a one-liner, you'd be dead before the 3rd mission. The entire game feels like a giant inside joke by Blizzard. "The Lost Viking", the dancing night elf, "terrible terrible damage", the cliched one-liners. It all just feels so ... medicore. The worst part is that it feels like none of the voice actors put any effort into their lines. The voice actors went in, put in their 3 hours of work and collected a paycheck. Compare the voice acting from any briefing in SC2 to even SC1. The voice actors in SC1 genuinely gave 100% of their effort into the product. I don't really see how Blizzard could be satisfied with this product. The story is the most cliched mess I've ever seen. Blizzard has done the same story 3 times now, SC/BW, WC3 and now WoL. Every time they do this exact story, it gets worse. Everyone said that WC3 was SC on Azeroth. Now we are saying it's WC3 in space.  | ||
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ooni
Australia1498 Posts
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Trepanation
United States111 Posts
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Ciryandor
United States3735 Posts
For example, Raynor ends up becoming much less of a bitter, vengeful bastard against Kerrigan considering what she's done during BW as the Queen of Blades. We never got to see in this story how his attitude softened towards her that for him, her redemption became his over-riding priority and drive. Also, Arcturus Mengsk's character was essentially displaced; when he could have still been a manipulative son of a bitch like he was (e.g. Kerrigan on New Gettysburg), especially with how he pushed Tychus Findlay to going for the kill, it wasn't as brazen and aggravating as it should have been. Also, Valerian's character should have been even more devious, considering his position AND his depiction in the novels. Another failure in terms of the campaign was in showing how desperate Raynor and Co. were in resources. It wasn't as solid as it could have been, when the Dominion could have easily brushed them away like a fly had it been warranted. Missions that would have had them getting steamrolled by other groups had they not done it quickly would have created a much more urgent sense of desperation for players. Most of all, I regret the ineptitude of the Zerg broods in this, when they let the Dominion camp their home planet. Unless Heart of the Swarm shows why repelling the Terran amidst the chaos was impossible; or shows a new Overmind vs Kerrigan war, the sudden weakness of the Zerg (maybe over-stretch in hitting so many Dominion worlds at once?) is also simply inexplicable. This is unless it turns out that half the Dominion fleet these days >>> three fleet squadrons in BW. Edit: I actually realized I could add A LOT MORE as a writer, in terms of what weaknesses and inconsistencies plagued the campaign, but it would be sheer over-kill. | ||
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esaul17
Canada547 Posts
So far, the only part of this that I thought was really awesome was the cinematic flashback of Kerrigan. That moment hurt in both SC2 and SC. That, and I just recently + Show Spoiler + got to the point where we see there is a chance to bring Kerrigan back I'm also playing through on normal, which is pretty easy, but I wasn't looking to struggle too much. Also, still not sure if anything can surpass the WC3 scene where Arthas returns home. "What are you doing, my son?" "Succeeding you, father!" | ||
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
plus she's hot I agree that Mensk never seemed too threatening, but if Tychus had succeed, we would all see Mensk as brilliant wouldn't we? Sometimes, it's good to see the good guys win. P.S. loved the news broadcasts | ||
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Marl
United States694 Posts
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SevenSpirits
United States12 Posts
IMO this made it worse. The cliches were annoying, but the plot twists were OK. In SC2 there's more cliches and less twisty plot. There's also the fact that blizzard plots have become more predictable with experience, but I think that's minor compared to the revealed godawfulness when blizzard decided it was a good idea to show off their characters. | ||
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Ronald_McD
Canada807 Posts
I really love the new campaign mode. Maybe some parts are kind of cheesy and childish, but I played BW the first time when I was 13, so it really kind of brings me back to that kind of state. I like going back to the ship and just chillin around with the other characters. I always get a kick out of talking to Tychus even if it's the same old thick southerner expressions and accent crap. | ||
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thrawn2112
United States6918 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + also, what was the motivation for mengsk to order tychus to kill kerrigan after her transformation? I don't really see how that could help mengsk at all. dumb. | ||
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