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On October 23 2009 05:17 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 03:42 Foucault wrote:
So I'm interested in trying the high fat, high protein diet. What exactly do you guys eat? I mean, when you take out carbs there is a calorie deficit, what do you replace it with?
I was thinking bacon + eggs, chicken, lots of vegetables, salmon.....what else? nuts, seeds, olives, avocado, coconut oil, olive oil, almond butter or other nut butters, etc.
Nuts and seeds are a great idea, forgot about those, although they do contain some carbs but not that much. Sunflower seeds for instance has like 13 gr carbs/100 gr. So how much protein should you eat? Also, are roasted and salty peanuts ok to eat? I mean as long as I stay within the boundaries of my planned calorie deficit?
This is gonna be cool, I think I am one of those people who don't work too well with carbs as I have a hard time getting really lean and besides my blood sugar rises quite fast after a carb-heavy meal, which is not cool
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lets get this right...
supposedly i burn 2850kcal/day
supposedly you gain 1lb (0.4535kg) for every +500kcal per day you consume in 7 days
so if i consume 3750kcal/day (4 sandwiches 4 milks) for 7 days
-> 900kcal -> 1.8 x 1lb -> 0.816466266kg/week
-> 3.265865064kg/month?
so in 1 months time i might be only ~78kg instead of 75kg? maybe you can add 1kg for muscle growth or something....still thats a LOT of milk (£60+ in milk....) for such a tiny growth!!!!!! ?????
:r
my turds are already white like snowballs
(altho i guess if you consider it 6 months down the line...i would be 95kg which (to me) sounds unthinkably obese...)
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On October 23 2009 05:28 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 05:17 eshlow wrote:On October 23 2009 03:42 Foucault wrote:
So I'm interested in trying the high fat, high protein diet. What exactly do you guys eat? I mean, when you take out carbs there is a calorie deficit, what do you replace it with?
I was thinking bacon + eggs, chicken, lots of vegetables, salmon.....what else? nuts, seeds, olives, avocado, coconut oil, olive oil, almond butter or other nut butters, etc. Nuts and seeds are a great idea, forgot about those, although they do contain some carbs but not that much. Sunflower seeds for instance has like 13 gr carbs/100 gr. So how much protein should you eat? Also, are roasted and salty peanuts ok to eat? I mean as long as I stay within the boundaries of my planned calorie deficit? This is gonna be cool, I think I am one of those people who don't work too well with carbs as I have a hard time getting really lean and besides my blood sugar rises quite fast after a carb-heavy meal, which is not cool
Protein while cutting? At least 1g/lbs
Roasted/salted nuts are fine. But you may find yourself retaining more water than you'd like. I used to eat roasted/etc. nuts but now I just converted to regular nuts.Caloric deficit is the main thing, yes.
On October 23 2009 07:42 biomedical wrote:
lets get this right...
supposedly i burn 2850kcal/day
supposedly you gain 1lb (0.4535kg) for every +500kcal per day you consume in 7 days
so if i consume 3750kcal/day (4 sandwiches 4 milks) for 7 days
-> 900kcal -> 1.8 x 1lb -> 0.816466266kg/week
-> 3.265865064kg/month?
so in 1 months time i might be only ~78kg instead of 75kg? maybe you can add 1kg for muscle growth or something....still thats a LOT of milk (£60+ in milk....) for such a tiny growth!!!!!! ?????
:r
my turds are already white like snowballs
(altho i guess if you consider it 6 months down the line...i would be 95kg which (to me) sounds unthinkably obese...)
Well, here (US at least) milk is probably the cheapest thing in the store PER amount of calories it gives you.
Muscle growth depends on your genetics, how much & well you eat, and how good your training program is. Newer people might be able to put on 1kg of muscle in 2 weeks. More advanced it may be something like 2-3 months. Can't really say too much.
You must realize that training there is no magic bullet. Everything is based on slow improvements (faster when you're a newbie obviously). The key to get anywhere is consistency. If you keep going day in and day out you will make it to your goals... eventually.
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10/22/2009
I went to gym after school. Did 10 minutes of warm up, then 4 sets of dumbbell chest, 4 sets of incline dumbbell chest, 4 sets of butterfly chest, then some push ups. I feel really good and focused. Gonna eat some farmers cheese pierogis. Tomorrow is cardio day.
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Thanks eshlow, ill add the back extensions.
With very little carb in my diet at the moment, im starting to feel a little short of energy - is this normal? Its only been a few days, so im guessing my body needs more time to re-adjust?
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On October 23 2009 12:47 jfazz wrote:
Thanks eshlow, ill add the back extensions.
With very little carb in my diet at the moment, im starting to feel a little short of energy - is this normal? Its only been a few days, so im guessing my body needs more time to re-adjust?
The Anabolic Diet book says it can take up to two weeks to readjust from using carbs to fat and that you might feel weaker during that time.
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On October 23 2009 14:01 Stormer wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 12:47 jfazz wrote:
Thanks eshlow, ill add the back extensions.
With very little carb in my diet at the moment, im starting to feel a little short of energy - is this normal? Its only been a few days, so im guessing my body needs more time to re-adjust? The Anabolic Diet book says it can take up to two weeks to readjust from using carbs to fat and that you might feel weaker during that time.
Any transition from high carb to low carb or vice versa will generally take about 1-3 weeks. I've seen as high as 4 in some people. Usually the more drastic the change the longer it will take.
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Interesting site I found for those interested:
http://hundredpushups.com/
It's a website with a program designed to get you to 100 pushups in six weeks. I'm on week 5 currently and it's working rather damn well so far. It's a nice goal to set for yourself, and a much shorter time frame than one might expect.
There's also a 200 Situps site, as well as 200 Squats and 20 Pullups.
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On October 23 2009 05:17 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 03:42 Foucault wrote:
So I'm interested in trying the high fat, high protein diet. What exactly do you guys eat? I mean, when you take out carbs there is a calorie deficit, what do you replace it with?
I was thinking bacon + eggs, chicken, lots of vegetables, salmon.....what else? nuts, seeds, olives, avocado, coconut oil, olive oil, almond butter or other nut butters, etc. imo, the biggest component of your diet when trying something like this should be steak with the fat on (overcooked steak gets old really quick, learn to like it rare), it's hard to get enough fat from chicken, fish and nuts. learn the macronutrient content of the foods you plan to eat and try to stick to a pre-planned ratio for a while, something like 60/40/minimal fat/protien/carb is a decent spot to start but you can experiment to see which best suits you. the more active you are the more fat you will need as this is your energy source
keeping it simple is a good way to go about it, after you've settled in you can get away with sporadic carbohydrate meals, although you should completely avoid any kinds of simple carbohydrates such as chocolate, white bread etc. you want things with low insulin index as reduction of insulin's effects is a part of the science behind low-carb diets
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Hm... I actually haven't really thought about my diet a lot. I've only been worrying about my training. I'm getting a really high carb diet (rice with lunch and dinner) but otherwise fairly balanced diet (fruits and vegetables everyday, i eat string cheese as a snack when i'm hungry, etc)... The rice I eat is probably 50% white 50% red/brown though so my carb thing isn't too bad. Any tips?
edit: i managed to crank out 40 super good technique pushups which puts me in rank 4. so i'm supposed to start at week 3. according to this site i'll be able to more than double my max # of pushups? i'm a little doubtful but i'm going to try following the site's workouts.
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On October 23 2009 14:03 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 14:01 Stormer wrote:On October 23 2009 12:47 jfazz wrote:
Thanks eshlow, ill add the back extensions.
With very little carb in my diet at the moment, im starting to feel a little short of energy - is this normal? Its only been a few days, so im guessing my body needs more time to re-adjust? The Anabolic Diet book says it can take up to two weeks to readjust from using carbs to fat and that you might feel weaker during that time. Any transition from high carb to low carb or vice versa will generally take about 1-3 weeks. I've seen as high as 4 in some people. Usually the more drastic the change the longer it will take.
Do you overcome the grumpyness and tired feeling after a few weeks without carbs?
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On October 23 2009 18:18 madnessman wrote:
Hm... I actually haven't really thought about my diet a lot. I've only been worrying about my training. I'm getting a really high carb diet (rice with lunch and dinner) but otherwise fairly balanced diet (fruits and vegetables everyday, i eat string cheese as a snack when i'm hungry, etc)... The rice I eat is probably 50% white 50% red/brown though so my carb thing isn't too bad. Any tips?
Some people respond better to carbs, some worse. I have a friend who only eats pasta and porridge cuz he a poor motherfucker and lo and behold, he is as ripped as they come lol
So it's very different. Also I saw a show recently where they conducted very interesting research by giving 8 different people a daily diet of 6000 kcal or whatever it was. They weren't to exercise or anything out of the ordinary, and after 10 weeks they measured how much they weighed. The scientists calculated how much they should way because of their 6000 kcal diet and funnily enough the procentual weight gain varied alot. Someone only added 2% of weight when someone else added 8%. So I was quite surprised by this fact tbh
What does this mean? That people digest food, for example carbs in different way, and a calorie is not always a calorie. Some people have a harder time putting on weight or loosing weight for bodily reasons and it's not because they eat a certain amount of calories per se.
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On October 23 2009 07:42 biomedical wrote:
lets get this right...
supposedly i burn 2850kcal/day
supposedly you gain 1lb (0.4535kg) for every +500kcal per day you consume in 7 days
so if i consume 3750kcal/day (4 sandwiches 4 milks) for 7 days
-> 900kcal -> 1.8 x 1lb -> 0.816466266kg/week
-> 3.265865064kg/month?
so in 1 months time i might be only ~78kg instead of 75kg? maybe you can add 1kg for muscle growth or something....still thats a LOT of milk (£60+ in milk....) for such a tiny growth!!!!!! ?????
:r
my turds are already white like snowballs
(altho i guess if you consider it 6 months down the line...i would be 95kg which (to me) sounds unthinkably obese...)
I hope ur turds arent really white?
white turds -> gal obstruction -> go see a doctor
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Hehe I was doing really well today...then I broke down after coming home from work and hard a carb snack  Still, I managed my goals today of 180grams of protein and only 100grams of carb - I need to try for better tomorrow!
Thanks for the details guys, much appreciated.
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On October 23 2009 07:42 biomedical wrote:
lets get this right...
supposedly i burn 2850kcal/day
supposedly you gain 1lb (0.4535kg) for every +500kcal per day you consume in 7 days
so if i consume 3750kcal/day (4 sandwiches 4 milks) for 7 days
-> 900kcal -> 1.8 x 1lb -> 0.816466266kg/week
-> 3.265865064kg/month?
so in 1 months time i might be only ~78kg instead of 75kg? maybe you can add 1kg for muscle growth or something....still thats a LOT of milk (£60+ in milk....) for such a tiny growth!!!!!! ?????
:r
my turds are already white like snowballs
(altho i guess if you consider it 6 months down the line...i would be 95kg which (to me) sounds unthinkably obese...)
Man, if I could gain 3.26kg of lean muscle in a month, I'd be incredible happy with the outcome.
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Running on like 1100 calories for the day before my workout, I got through it surprisingly well. Leg day, didn't have any time for cardio though as the gym was closing, but I feel like I could have gone for a 15-20min jog as well. Had a post workout shake, about 325 calories and I'm done for the day for food.
It is something I am not enjoying at all, but I'm only doing it for a couple of days as a system shock, hopefully it will work.
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I'm kind of worried... My shins (lower legs in general) are steel feeling really weird and they hurt in the mornings... I might go see a sports doctor if it continues to persist.
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On October 23 2009 15:36 saxena_j wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 05:17 eshlow wrote:On October 23 2009 03:42 Foucault wrote:
So I'm interested in trying the high fat, high protein diet. What exactly do you guys eat? I mean, when you take out carbs there is a calorie deficit, what do you replace it with?
I was thinking bacon + eggs, chicken, lots of vegetables, salmon.....what else? nuts, seeds, olives, avocado, coconut oil, olive oil, almond butter or other nut butters, etc. imo, the biggest component of your diet when trying something like this should be steak with the fat on (overcooked steak gets old really quick, learn to like it rare), it's hard to get enough fat from chicken, fish and nuts. learn the macronutrient content of the foods you plan to eat and try to stick to a pre-planned ratio for a while, something like 60/40/minimal fat/protien/carb is a decent spot to start but you can experiment to see which best suits you. the more active you are the more fat you will need as this is your energy source keeping it simple is a good way to go about it, after you've settled in you can get away with sporadic carbohydrate meals, although you should completely avoid any kinds of simple carbohydrates such as chocolate, white bread etc. you want things with low insulin index as reduction of insulin's effects is a part of the science behind low-carb diets
Fat on steak is good.. but you get better fat especially omega ratios with grass fed than grain fed beef. Unfortunately, grass fed is more expensive. If it is grain fed, it's good to supplemenet with fish oil as well.
On October 23 2009 18:18 madnessman wrote:
Hm... I actually haven't really thought about my diet a lot. I've only been worrying about my training. I'm getting a really high carb diet (rice with lunch and dinner) but otherwise fairly balanced diet (fruits and vegetables everyday, i eat string cheese as a snack when i'm hungry, etc)... The rice I eat is probably 50% white 50% red/brown though so my carb thing isn't too bad. Any tips?
edit: i managed to crank out 40 super good technique pushups which puts me in rank 4. so i'm supposed to start at week 3. according to this site i'll be able to more than double my max # of pushups? i'm a little doubtful but i'm going to try following the site's workouts.
You do know that fruits and vegeables are all carbs as well as rice, right? As long as you don't have insulin crashes and such that's fine I suppose.
I would start playing around with it though. Eat more fat from the sources listed above and such.
On October 23 2009 18:18 Foucault wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 14:03 eshlow wrote:On October 23 2009 14:01 Stormer wrote:On October 23 2009 12:47 jfazz wrote:
Thanks eshlow, ill add the back extensions.
With very little carb in my diet at the moment, im starting to feel a little short of energy - is this normal? Its only been a few days, so im guessing my body needs more time to re-adjust? The Anabolic Diet book says it can take up to two weeks to readjust from using carbs to fat and that you might feel weaker during that time. Any transition from high carb to low carb or vice versa will generally take about 1-3 weeks. I've seen as high as 4 in some people. Usually the more drastic the change the longer it will take. Do you overcome the grumpyness and tired feeling after a few weeks without carbs?
MOST people do. They people that don't are usually better off with more carbs in your diet.
This is basically how you figure out what % macros work better for you. Whatever makes you feel better and gives you more energy eating like that day in day out.
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On October 23 2009 21:53 madnessman wrote:
I'm kind of worried... My shins (lower legs in general) are steel feeling really weird and they hurt in the mornings... I might go see a sports doctor if it continues to persist.
Are you running with like shin splints or something?
Massage, rest and ice them dude. Also, stretch out your calves.
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On October 24 2009 00:55 eshlow wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2009 21:53 madnessman wrote:
I'm kind of worried... My shins (lower legs in general) are steel feeling really weird and they hurt in the mornings... I might go see a sports doctor if it continues to persist. Are you running with like shin splints or something? Massage, rest and ice them dude. Also, stretch out your calves.
I stopped running a week or two ago because of my shins. I've been icing them and stretching my calves like crazy after the sports injury person at my school told me that my calves might be causing it (because they were really tight). They haven't gone away though. I'm going to give it a little more time and hope it 'heals'.
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On October 23 2009 18:26 Thats_The_Spirit wrote:
white turds -> gal obstruction -> go see a doctor
hmm well tnx for the concern... ppl on internet seem to think theyve pooped white before after drinking lots of milk, and it does coincide exactly with my milk-drinking endeavour
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that weight study is bad news MAN!!!!! i want to get FAT!!!!!!
energies, that calculation is for fat weight gain (or something) not muscle. apparently for every +500 calories you consume per day for 1 week, you gain 1lb weight, sorta. so itd be 3.27kg mass and what 1kg muscle/month . shrug
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