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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-06 13:45:10
October 06 2009 13:37 GMT
#1381
jfazz: i dont want to be rude but you're skinny and if your goal is to gain weight DONT do cardio 5 times a week. Just bulk like crazy. Eat eat eat eat eat eat (good foods) & workout hard. Add cardio 1 to 2 times/week if you really want to but it's absolutely not mandatory to reach your goals.
Go to bodybuilding.com, read the basics nutrition & training articles.

Also i want to say that i read some really stupid advices in this thread mixed with good ones so to all beginners: i recommand you to read nutrition & training articles from PRO @ bodybuilding specialised website first instead of randomly picking advices/workout plan/diet plan here.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 06 2009 14:02 GMT
#1382
Well I really only want to gain 1 more kg, so ive basically gained all the weight I want to. Ill concentrate on the protein intake so as to help with the muscling up.

I like your thinking Energies

Thanks for the link gds, ill check it out!
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
October 06 2009 14:30 GMT
#1383
Lifted for the first time in exactly 12 months.

It's actually my mind that feels the most liberated from the workout.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
October 06 2009 15:02 GMT
#1384
Yeah, I love lifting, it is a feeling unlike any other.


This is one of my favorite quotes.

The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.

--

Full passage

IRON
- By Henry Rollins

+ Show Spoiler +


I believe that the definition of definition is reinvention. To not be like your parents. To not be like your friends. To be yourself.

Completely.

When I was young I had no sense of myself. All I was, was a product of all the fear and humiliation I suffered. Fear of my parents. The humiliation of teachers calling me "garbage can" and telling me I'd be mowing lawns for a living. And the very real terror of my fellow students. I was threatened and beaten up for the color of my skin and my size. I was skinny and clumsy, and when others would tease me I didn't run home crying, wondering why. I knew all too well. I was there to be antagonized. In sports I was laughed at. A spaz. I was pretty good at boxing but only because the rage that filled my every waking moment made me wild and unpredictable. I fought with some strange fury. The other boys thought I was crazy.

I hated myself all the time. As stupid at it seems now, I wanted to talk like them, dress like them, carry myself with the ease of knowing that I wasn't going to get pounded in the hallway between classes. Years passed and I learned to keep it all inside. I only talked to a few boys in my grade. Other losers. Some of them are to this day the greatest people I have ever known. Hang out with a guy who has had his head flushed down a toilet a few times, treat him with respect, and you'll find a faithful friend forever. But even with friends, school sucked. Teachers gave me hard time. I didn't think much of them either.

Then came Mr. Pepperman, my advisor. He was a powerfully built Vietnam veteran, and he was scary. No one ever talked out of turn in his class. Once one kid did and Mr. P. lifted him off the ground and pinned him to the blackboard. Mr. P. could see that I was in bad shape, and one Friday in October he asked me if I had ever worked out with weights. I told him no. He told me that I was going to take some of the money that I had saved and buy a hundred-pound set of weights at Sears. As I left his office, I started to think of things I would say to him on Monday when he asked about the weights that I was not going to buy. Still, it made me feel special. My father never really got that close to caring. On Saturday I bought the weights, but I couldn't even drag them to my mom's car. An attendant laughed at me as he put them on a dolly.

Monday came and I was called into Mr. P.'s office after school. He said that he was going to show me how to work out. He was going to put me on a program and start hitting me in the solar plexus in the hallway when I wasn't looking. When I could take the punch we would know that we were getting somewhere. At no time was I to look at myself in the mirror or tell anyone at school what I was doing. In the gym he showed me ten basic exercises. I paid more attention than I ever did in any of my classes. I didn't want to blow it. I went home that night and started right in.

Weeks passed, and every once in a while Mr. P. would give me a shot and drop me in the hallway, sending my books flying. The other students didn't know what to think. More weeks passed, and I was steadily adding new weights to the bar. I could sense the power inside my body growing. I could feel it.

Right before Christmas break I was walking to class, and from out of nowhere Mr. Pepperman appeared and gave me a shot in the chest. I laughed and kept going. He said I could look at myself now. I got home and ran to the bathroom and pulled off my shirt. I saw a body, not just the shell that housed my stomach and my heart. My biceps bulged. My chest had definition. I felt strong. It was the first time I can remember having a sense of myself. I had done something and no one could ever take it away. You couldn't say shit to me.

It took me years to fully appreciate the value of the lessons I have learned from the Iron. I used to think that it was my adversary, that I was trying to lift that which does not want to be lifted. I was wrong. When the Iron doesn't want to come off the mat, it's the kindest thing it can do for you. If it flew up and went through the ceiling, it wouldn't teach you anything. That's the way the Iron talks to you. It tells you that the material you work with is that which you will come to resemble. That which you work against will always work against you.

It wasn't until my late twenties that I learned that by working out I had given myself a great gift. I learned that nothing good comes without work and a certain amount of pain. When I finish a set that leaves me shaking, I know more about myself. When something gets bad, I know it can't be as bad as that workout.

I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness. But when dealing with the Iron, one must be careful to interpret the pain correctly. Most injuries involving the Iron come from ego. I once spent a few weeks lifting weight that my body wasn't ready for and spent a few months not picking up anything heavier than a fork. Try to lift what you're not prepared to and the Iron will teach you a little lesson in restraint and self-control.

I have never met a truly strong person who didn't have self-respect. I think a lot of inwardly and outwardly directed contempt passes itself off as self-respect: the idea of raising yourself by stepping on someone's shoulders instead of doing it yourself. When I see guys working out for cosmetic reasons, I see vanity exposing them in the worst way, as cartoon characters, billboards for imbalance and insecurity. Strength reveals itself through character. It is the difference between bouncers who get off strong-arming people and Mr. Pepperman.

Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional. That it comes from the body and the mind. And the heart.

Yukio Mishima said that he could not entertain the idea of romance if he was not strong. Romance is such a strong and overwhelming passion, a weakened body cannot sustain it for long. I have some of my most romantic thoughts when I am with the Iron. Once I was in love with a woman. I thought about her the most when the pain from a workout was racing through my body.

Everything in me wanted her. So much so that sex was only a fraction of my total desire. It was the single most intense love I have ever felt, but she lived far away and I didn't see her very often. Working out was a healthy way of dealing with the loneliness. To this day, when I work out I usually listen to ballads.

I prefer to work out alone. It enables me to concentrate on the lessons that the Iron has for me. Learning about what you're made of is always time well spent, and I have found no better teacher. The Iron had taught me how to live. Life is capable of driving you out of your mind. The way it all comes down these days, it's some kind of miracle if you're not insane. People have become separated from their bodies. They are no longer whole.

I see them move from their offices to their cars and on to their suburban homes. They stress out constantly, they lose sleep, they eat badly. And they behave badly. Their egos run wild; they become motivated by that which will eventually give them a massive stroke. They need the Iron Mind.

Through the years, I have combined meditation, action, and the Iron into a single strength. I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

The Iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found. There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it's impossible to turn back.

The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 07 2009 11:25 GMT
#1385
Great day today. Lots of food eaten, including plenty of protein (about 180grams). The weights session was good, certainly feeling improvements.

Keep up the good work everyone!
Victory needs no explanation, defeat allows none
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 07 2009 12:08 GMT
#1386
My legs have never been more sore in my life. I had 3 intense workouts on Monday and Tuesday and today I had an active recovery day but I think I ran too long. I can't even walk properly without burning in my quads/glutes. Not very fun...
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
October 07 2009 12:20 GMT
#1387
On October 06 2009 00:07 Cloud wrote:
I never really cared about the diet too much though. Its not the healthiest possible, but its not so bad. I dont really trust supplements, in the way that i dont really have any reason to use them and dont know how to use them.


Your diet pretty much makes or breaks you. This is especially true when you want to loose weight. Seriously, your diet is 50% if not more of the results you get.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Adeeler
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United Kingdom764 Posts
October 07 2009 12:27 GMT
#1388
@madnessman: if you get too sore for too long in one area you should split your exercises to have recovery every other day for that muscle group. The most important thing is actual recovery a lot of ppl say. I don't personally follow that but I have pretty quick recovery and don't do very intense workouts rather I do workouts everyday until I am to sore then take the day for recovery.

Recovery is important but you can also help to speed your recovery with your diet dramatically. I.e. the magic of the protein shake. I suggest having protein shakes as much as you can on workout days i.e. have 2 shakes that day before workout and after and maybe a 3rd before bed to boost your protein levels so your body can repair your muscles; this can result in no soreness at all and you'll be shocked you never used to do this before.

I'm not sure which is better protein shakes or (cooked)egg whites for protein. I'm guessing the protein shake as its already broken down so doesn't need as much digesting to be usable straight away.

Oh if I have to recommend a website I would say this womans site is awesome if at least just cos seeing the 'fittest' woman in the world doing weights. www.bodyrock.tv
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
October 07 2009 12:28 GMT
#1389
On October 06 2009 21:27 jfazz wrote:
Since I posted up that day, I have started eating a lot better. Id say my protein intake per day is averaging 150grams+, and I am already feeling a lot better for it. Im taking a protein shake every morning and every night to add +70grams basically, which has almost doubled my daily intake. On the days I work out, its closer to 200grams.

Im managing to get 2500+calories a day at the moment, which is nice.


Good for you man, sounds alot better than your last diet. You don't need to overdo protein though, it's not as important if you want to gain weight than it is while cutting. 150-200 g/day is perfectly fine. Over 200 (for a "normal" weight guy mind you) is overkill and will only get peed out.

On October 06 2009 21:27 jfazz wrote:
Im going to start doing cardio 5 times a week, at high intensity, to try and burn off some body fat...is this advisable? Is their an ideal intensity to burn fat at, or should I just go at a steady pace? I have been doing 20 minute sessions on an exercise bike, managing about 15.5km in that time (about 10miles i guess).


No, it's not advisable for you for two reasons:

1)You want to put on weight. Your body will look better and your love handles much smaller, when you get more body mass, especially when your back grows.

2)You're a recovering anorectic. I understand that doing cardio 5 days/week is tempting and maybe plays tricks on you on a subconscious level where you maybe want to go back to starving again.


All in all, don't do it.
Cardio 1-2 times a week, keep up the kcal @ around 3000, get 150-200 g protein/day. Lift weights
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
October 07 2009 12:31 GMT
#1390
Could have swore I made this post, maybe I didn't hit submit.

Did an hour of pretty intense cardio today followed by a 10 minute swim. The lack of carbs is really fucking up my energy levels. I'm going to start taking a few hundred mg of caffeine before each workout.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
October 07 2009 12:33 GMT
#1391
On October 01 2009 13:13 NeverGG wrote:
1) Inexperience and lack of former training.
2) I've got no space for anything bigger.
3) I can't risk straining my wrists because of my photography.
4) I won't go to the gym because I don't like that kind of environment.



I've actually never heard any guy strain their wrist from lifting weights. Possible injuries are more likely to happen in back, shoulders etc.

2 kg weights are like nothing, even to a woman. So no you won't be straining your wrists. Also you should try and get heavier weights, because they won't do much for you tbh.

I have an idea for you since you mentioned that you have bad knees. Swimming?
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 12:38:41
October 07 2009 12:38 GMT
#1392
On October 07 2009 00:02 Energies wrote:
Yeah, I love lifting, it is a feeling unlike any other.


This is one of my favorite quotes.

The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.

--

Full passage

IRON
- By Henry Rollins

+ Show Spoiler +


I believe that the definition of definition is reinvention. To not be like your parents. To not be like your friends. To be yourself.

Completely.

When I was young I had no sense of myself. All I was, was a product of all the fear and humiliation I suffered. Fear of my parents. The humiliation of teachers calling me "garbage can" and telling me I'd be mowing lawns for a living. And the very real terror of my fellow students. I was threatened and beaten up for the color of my skin and my size. I was skinny and clumsy, and when others would tease me I didn't run home crying, wondering why. I knew all too well. I was there to be antagonized. In sports I was laughed at. A spaz. I was pretty good at boxing but only because the rage that filled my every waking moment made me wild and unpredictable. I fought with some strange fury. The other boys thought I was crazy.

I hated myself all the time. As stupid at it seems now, I wanted to talk like them, dress like them, carry myself with the ease of knowing that I wasn't going to get pounded in the hallway between classes. Years passed and I learned to keep it all inside. I only talked to a few boys in my grade. Other losers. Some of them are to this day the greatest people I have ever known. Hang out with a guy who has had his head flushed down a toilet a few times, treat him with respect, and you'll find a faithful friend forever. But even with friends, school sucked. Teachers gave me hard time. I didn't think much of them either.

Then came Mr. Pepperman, my advisor. He was a powerfully built Vietnam veteran, and he was scary. No one ever talked out of turn in his class. Once one kid did and Mr. P. lifted him off the ground and pinned him to the blackboard. Mr. P. could see that I was in bad shape, and one Friday in October he asked me if I had ever worked out with weights. I told him no. He told me that I was going to take some of the money that I had saved and buy a hundred-pound set of weights at Sears. As I left his office, I started to think of things I would say to him on Monday when he asked about the weights that I was not going to buy. Still, it made me feel special. My father never really got that close to caring. On Saturday I bought the weights, but I couldn't even drag them to my mom's car. An attendant laughed at me as he put them on a dolly.

Monday came and I was called into Mr. P.'s office after school. He said that he was going to show me how to work out. He was going to put me on a program and start hitting me in the solar plexus in the hallway when I wasn't looking. When I could take the punch we would know that we were getting somewhere. At no time was I to look at myself in the mirror or tell anyone at school what I was doing. In the gym he showed me ten basic exercises. I paid more attention than I ever did in any of my classes. I didn't want to blow it. I went home that night and started right in.

Weeks passed, and every once in a while Mr. P. would give me a shot and drop me in the hallway, sending my books flying. The other students didn't know what to think. More weeks passed, and I was steadily adding new weights to the bar. I could sense the power inside my body growing. I could feel it.

Right before Christmas break I was walking to class, and from out of nowhere Mr. Pepperman appeared and gave me a shot in the chest. I laughed and kept going. He said I could look at myself now. I got home and ran to the bathroom and pulled off my shirt. I saw a body, not just the shell that housed my stomach and my heart. My biceps bulged. My chest had definition. I felt strong. It was the first time I can remember having a sense of myself. I had done something and no one could ever take it away. You couldn't say shit to me.

It took me years to fully appreciate the value of the lessons I have learned from the Iron. I used to think that it was my adversary, that I was trying to lift that which does not want to be lifted. I was wrong. When the Iron doesn't want to come off the mat, it's the kindest thing it can do for you. If it flew up and went through the ceiling, it wouldn't teach you anything. That's the way the Iron talks to you. It tells you that the material you work with is that which you will come to resemble. That which you work against will always work against you.

It wasn't until my late twenties that I learned that by working out I had given myself a great gift. I learned that nothing good comes without work and a certain amount of pain. When I finish a set that leaves me shaking, I know more about myself. When something gets bad, I know it can't be as bad as that workout.

I used to fight the pain, but recently this became clear to me: pain is not my enemy; it is my call to greatness. But when dealing with the Iron, one must be careful to interpret the pain correctly. Most injuries involving the Iron come from ego. I once spent a few weeks lifting weight that my body wasn't ready for and spent a few months not picking up anything heavier than a fork. Try to lift what you're not prepared to and the Iron will teach you a little lesson in restraint and self-control.

I have never met a truly strong person who didn't have self-respect. I think a lot of inwardly and outwardly directed contempt passes itself off as self-respect: the idea of raising yourself by stepping on someone's shoulders instead of doing it yourself. When I see guys working out for cosmetic reasons, I see vanity exposing them in the worst way, as cartoon characters, billboards for imbalance and insecurity. Strength reveals itself through character. It is the difference between bouncers who get off strong-arming people and Mr. Pepperman.

Muscle mass does not always equal strength. Strength is kindness and sensitivity. Strength is understanding that your power is both physical and emotional. That it comes from the body and the mind. And the heart.

Yukio Mishima said that he could not entertain the idea of romance if he was not strong. Romance is such a strong and overwhelming passion, a weakened body cannot sustain it for long. I have some of my most romantic thoughts when I am with the Iron. Once I was in love with a woman. I thought about her the most when the pain from a workout was racing through my body.

Everything in me wanted her. So much so that sex was only a fraction of my total desire. It was the single most intense love I have ever felt, but she lived far away and I didn't see her very often. Working out was a healthy way of dealing with the loneliness. To this day, when I work out I usually listen to ballads.

I prefer to work out alone. It enables me to concentrate on the lessons that the Iron has for me. Learning about what you're made of is always time well spent, and I have found no better teacher. The Iron had taught me how to live. Life is capable of driving you out of your mind. The way it all comes down these days, it's some kind of miracle if you're not insane. People have become separated from their bodies. They are no longer whole.

I see them move from their offices to their cars and on to their suburban homes. They stress out constantly, they lose sleep, they eat badly. And they behave badly. Their egos run wild; they become motivated by that which will eventually give them a massive stroke. They need the Iron Mind.

Through the years, I have combined meditation, action, and the Iron into a single strength. I believe that when the body is strong, the mind thinks strong thoughts. Time spent away from the Iron makes my mind degenerate. I wallow in a thick depression. My body shuts down my mind.

The Iron is the best antidepressant I have ever found. There is no better way to fight weakness than with strength. Once the mind and body have been awakened to their true potential, it's impossible to turn back.

The Iron never lies to you. You can walk outside and listen to all kinds of talk, get told that you're a god or a total bastard. The Iron will always kick you the real deal. The Iron is the great reference point, the all-knowing perspective giver. Always there like a beacon in the pitch black. I have found the Iron to be my greatest friend. It never freaks out on me, never runs. Friends may come and go. But two hundred pounds is always two hundred pounds.


Man, that was a SICK quote. I can relate so much to the fact I've gotten so much stronger mentally from running long distances and doing heavy weight workouts.

"It wasn't until my late twenties that I learned that by working out I had given myself a great gift. I learned that nothing good comes without work and a certain amount of pain. When I finish a set that leaves me shaking, I know more about myself. When something gets bad, I know it can't be as bad as that workout."

Indeed
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Metallingus
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Philippines468 Posts
October 07 2009 12:44 GMT
#1393
Awesome post Energies, thanks for sharing.

I had to do overtime at work today, so I did my workout at home. Calisthenics, mostly, and some work on a swiss ball. I did hindu squats for the first time today and they're awesome, my legs are burning right now. That's one more bodyweight exercise to add to the repertoire.
Overcome all. Especially plateaus.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 12:49:03
October 07 2009 12:46 GMT
#1394
On October 07 2009 21:31 Energies wrote:
Could have swore I made this post, maybe I didn't hit submit.

Did an hour of pretty intense cardio today followed by a 10 minute swim. The lack of carbs is really fucking up my energy levels. I'm going to start taking a few hundred mg of caffeine before each workout.


Neato, what kind of cardio did you do?

The good part of taking caffeine before any kind of cardio is basically 3 things:

1) Your body pumps out more adrenaline (epinephrine), norepinephrine (noradrenalin) and dopamine, and you also feel psychologically fit for fight.

2) Fat is released into your bloodstream and therefore helps the body to use fat as fuel.

3) Caffeine breaks down quite alot faster when doing cardio than it would if you were to just hang around. This means that you don't feel jittery afterwards and the high goes away with the cardio, something that many people probably enjoy.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 12:57:06
October 07 2009 12:55 GMT
#1395
15 Minutes of sprint intervals - Running
15 Minutes of sprints on the bike.
15 Minutes on the rower
15 Minutes super high resistance elliptical

I have changed my routine from split muscle groups 5 days a week to.

Monday - All body compounds
Tuesday - Cardio
Wed - All body compounds
Thursday - Off
Friday - All body compounds
Saturday - Abs/Calves/Traps/Cardio/Swimming

I actually need some advise on my all body. It destroys me, but I feel I am not getting enough upper body.


In this order at about 70-80% of my 1 rep max. I have intentionally upped the reps.

4 x 12 Squats
4 x 12 Deadlifts
4 x 12 Incline Leg Press
3 x 10 Chin ups / Pull ups (alternative days)
3 x 12 Dips
4 x 12 Flat Bench Dumbbells
4 x 12 incline Bench Dumbells
3 x 12 Military Press

I pretty much just picked exercises that I thought would cover all muscle groups, I'm definitely open to advice. As long as deadlifts and squats stay!
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 17:38:38
October 07 2009 13:03 GMT
#1396
On October 07 2009 21:27 Adeeler wrote:
@madnessman: if you get too sore for too long in one area you should split your exercises to have recovery every other day for that muscle group. The most important thing is actual recovery a lot of ppl say. I don't personally follow that but I have pretty quick recovery and don't do very intense workouts rather I do workouts everyday until I am to sore then take the day for recovery.

Recovery is important but you can also help to speed your recovery with your diet dramatically. I.e. the magic of the protein shake. I suggest having protein shakes as much as you can on workout days i.e. have 2 shakes that day before workout and after and maybe a 3rd before bed to boost your protein levels so your body can repair your muscles; this can result in no soreness at all and you'll be shocked you never used to do this before.

I'm not sure which is better protein shakes or (cooked)egg whites for protein. I'm guessing the protein shake as its already broken down so doesn't need as much digesting to be usable straight away.

Oh if I have to recommend a website I would say this womans site is awesome if at least just cos seeing the 'fittest' woman in the world doing weights. www.bodyrock.tv


Thanks for the info. My legs are really sore cause I'm on my school's x-country team. I'm also training for an olympic tri (i can do the swim and bike pretty easily but the running kills me). I have some protein supplement pills that I bought a while ago but I haven't been taking them regular. They actually aren't protein I think. From what I can read (my Japanese isn't really good) 1 tablet contains 500mg of amino acid BCAA+Glutamine+"Aruginim"+"roishin"+"isoroishin" (that's what they sound like but I don't know what their english names are). I'm either supposed to take them 1-3x daily or 4-6x daily but I try to take them before I sleep (I haven't eaten one in like 2 weeks though). I get most of my raw protein from fish.

EDIT: The tablets are from a very reputable brand and they are supported by the Japanese Olympic Committee

I posted this earlier but in like 2-3 weeks my x-country season ends and my swim season starts. I'm also going to start doing some plyo.

PICTURE BEFORE:
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This was from like... 2 years ago when I was getting my head shaved for a swim meet. I've bulked up since then but I've also gained some fat. I'm concentrating on becoming more lean rather than uber ripped because triathlons are all about endurance and overall fitness rather than strength.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 13:36:58
October 07 2009 13:32 GMT
#1397
On October 07 2009 21:55 Energies wrote:
15 Minutes of sprint intervals - Running
15 Minutes of sprints on the bike.
15 Minutes on the rower
15 Minutes super high resistance elliptical

I have changed my routine from split muscle groups 5 days a week to.

Monday - All body compounds
Tuesday - Cardio
Wed - All body compounds
Thursday - Off
Friday - All body compounds
Saturday - Abs/Calves/Traps/Cardio/Swimming

I actually need some advise on my all body. It destroys me, but I feel I am not getting enough upper body.


In this order at about 70-80% of my 1 rep max. I have intentionally upped the reps.

4 x 12 Squats
4 x 12 Deadlifts
4 x 12 Incline Leg Press
3 x 10 Chin ups / Pull ups (alternative days)
3 x 12 Dips
4 x 12 Flat Bench Dumbbells
4 x 12 incline Bench Dumbells
Military press

I pretty much just picked exercises that I thought would cover all muscle groups, I'm definitely open to advice. As long as deadlifts and squats stay!


Well, first of all I like your mix of cardio!

I think your weekly routine looks great, I've been doing something very similar before; entire body 3 times/week + running one day and swimming one day. Your weekly routine builds a good overall physique that is actually useful in daily life as opposed to someone just doing biceps at the gym one day.

About your daily workout routine I would definately cut back on the reps on sqauts and deadlifts. There is really no need to do that many reps and besides it puts more strain on your knees and back for no good reason. I usually stay with 4-6 reps for deadlifts anyways and sometimes go up to 10 reps for squats.

Also you don't need the incline leg press if you already do squats and deadlifts because your legs get ALOT of action as it is.

Actually, my advice is to do deadlifts the first full body workout and do squats the second and just repeat, because it can be too much doing this much deadlifts and squats each and every workout. You will probably need more rest in between. So for example do Deadlifts + incline leg press on Monday, Squats wednesday and keep on alternating between the two for leg workout.

More emphasis on back, less on chest. But do only ONE exercise per muscle group each workout. Also, this is how many reps and sets I'd do. So for example:

MONDAY
Full body workout:
4 x 8 Squats
4 x 10 Chin ups / Pull ups
4 x 8-10 Dips
3 x 8-10 Military Press
3 x 10 abs machine/3 x 10 weighted sit-ups

WEDNESDAY
Full body workout:
4-5 x 6 Deadlifts
( + incline bench press if you want to)
4 x 8 Bent-over barbell row/1-armed dumbbell row
4 x 8 Flat Bench Dumbbells
3 x 10 Dumbbell military press (sitting/standing)
3 x 10 abs machine/3x 10 weighted sit - ups


There. Your current workout routine is a bit unbalanced and may result in bad posture and stuff.


Do what you want with it!

I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
October 07 2009 13:45 GMT
#1398
Back to the drawing board it seems.

I have definitely been feeling the strain of doing deadlifts and squats at the same time.

I have fairly powerful legs and back, but I enjoy doing deadlifts/squats/pulls up because they are huge compound exercises. Only time I will start to sweat like I have gone for a run after a set of weights.

I didn't really note it, but I do abs almost every day as they recover so quickly.
--

I'll take your example to mind, I would like to add a couple of extra exercises. I'll come up with a routine and post it for scrutiny.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
Foucault
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Sweden2826 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-07 13:53:41
October 07 2009 13:52 GMT
#1399
On October 07 2009 22:45 Energies wrote:
Back to the drawing board it seems.

I have definitely been feeling the strain of doing deadlifts and squats at the same time.

I have fairly powerful legs and back, but I enjoy doing deadlifts/squats/pulls up because they are huge compound exercises. Only time I will start to sweat like I have gone for a run after a set of weights.

I didn't really note it, but I do abs almost every day as they recover so quickly.
--

I'll take your example to mind, I would like to add a couple of extra exercises. I'll come up with a routine and post it for scrutiny.


Yeah, deadlifts and squats on the same workout is not really recommended because you will always be tired doing the one you don't do first. So giving them a day each gives you much more room for improvement/results and building strength. Besides your form may get bad doing them at the same time.

Yeah componds are the best. Sure, I'll take another look at it when you've changed it around. I mean, add biceps/triceps etc if you want. For example biceps monday/triceps wednesday or something if you want to work arms specifically too.

Abs is always good to do because your core is hugely important for alot of exercises, especially the ones you do; deadlifts, squats etc


Oh, I forgot. About the wednesday workout routine I suggestes, sitting row is great too of course.
I know that deep inside of you there's a humongous set of testicles just waiting to pop out. Let 'em pop bro. //////////////////// AKA JensOfSweden // Lee Yoon Yeol forever.
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 07 2009 13:57 GMT
#1400
And if you're donig abs a lot make sure you work your back (and all the other muscles that make up your core) to make sure that your core is balanced.
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