EPTTL Fitness Initiative (Weight Loss/Gain) - Page 72
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madnessman
United States1581 Posts
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
Anyway, don't do more than your recovery capacity can handle. If you're feeling sore all the time, it's probably too much. If you're recovering fine.. sure. For CF I've seen strength biased work make faster improvements than mostly long metabolic work. | ||
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Foucault
Sweden2826 Posts
On October 10 2009 03:02 eshlow wrote: Some people do strict do the X before Y before Z. "Official" Murph is anyhow... usually it's partititioned as Cindy x20 (5 pullups, 10 pushups, 15 squats) which ends up as 100 pullups, 200 pushups, 300 squats. Good thing you didn't use the 20 lbs weight vest. :p Anyway, don't do more than your recovery capacity can handle. If you're feeling sore all the time, it's probably too much. If you're recovering fine.. sure. For CF I've seen strength biased work make faster improvements than mostly long metabolic work. Ah yes I thought it was CF. I'm interested in doing more cross-fit, I think I might try that for a period just to evaluate the results. I like the idea of having an awesome all-around physique. | ||
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affinity_12
172 Posts
did you find that eating clean is better than eating dirty? like you can take in 1500 calories a day eating crap or with eating good stuff. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On October 10 2009 20:45 affinity_12 wrote: for all those who have cut (lost fat) before: did you find that eating clean is better than eating dirty? like you can take in 1500 calories a day eating crap or with eating good stuff. Eating clean is much faster, AND better for your health... You are what you eat. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
Keep in mind that most people are deficient so getting out in the sun, better diet or supplementation to bring levels up will show significant benefits to health and athletic performance. http://www.eatmoveimprove.com/2009/10/a-closer-look-at-vitamin-d/ | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
eshlow, I have a question. How long does is typically take for the body's metabolism to increase or slow down after a dramatic change in diet? For example, my body can take in about 3000 calories a day at maintenance. If I go out and decide to eat and drink like a pig taking in say 6000 calories, bed ridden the next day with a hangover and only take in 1 meal at say 500 calories and the following day go back to 5-6 meals covering 3000 calories will that effect my metabolism? Also if I manage to burn 500 calories through exercise on the 3rd day, will that based purely on how the body takes in calories mean that I have broken even for the week and should not have gained or lost any weight? I can manipulate my weight, fluids levels and metabolism over a long period of time but I have never read or understood exactly how the body is effected by drastic changes in diet and exercise over very short periods of time. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On October 11 2009 12:54 Energies wrote: Nice, looking forward to reading threw that. I love reading up on nutrition. eshlow, I have a question. How long does is typically take for the body's metabolism to increase or slow down after a dramatic change in diet? For example, my body can take in about 3000 calories a day at maintenance. If I go out and decide to eat and drink like a pig taking in say 6000 calories, bed ridden the next day with a hangover and only take in 1 meal at say 500 calories and the following day go back to 5-6 meals covering 3000 calories will that effect my metabolism? Also if I manage to burn 500 calories through exercise on the 3rd day, will that based purely on how the body takes in calories mean that I have broken even for the week and should not have gained or lost any weight? I can manipulate my weight, fluids levels and metabolism over a long period of time but I have never read or understood exactly how the body is effected by drastic changes in diet and exercise over very short periods of time. There's studies that show your metabolism doesn't really change much even with increased or decreased meal frequency. Our livers have pretty much a whole days worth supply of glycogen to use even if you fast, so it's not like one day is going to slow down your metabolism. So yeah, diet isn't affected much by fluctuations like this. However, there are some diets that if you control amounts of stuff you can lose fat better or whatever else you want. Carb cycling is one for leptin/ghrelin hormonal levels and fat loss. There's a couple of things that will slow your metabolism up or down though: 1. Starvation diet. Eat severely under basal metabolic rate of calories will ultimately slow your metabolism down as your body starts trying to conserve energy. This is shown in the pitiful amounts of food that people in 3rd world countries and anorexics can survive on. Not optimal for health though. 2. Significant or intense exercise. Muscle repair and refuel and potentially muscle gains take a lot of energy. That's why it's so hard for a lot of people to gain mass... just not eating enough. Conversely, obese people have the opposite problem of eating too much for their BMR. However, this can be generally rectified with proper nutrition and exercise. 3. Changes or drastic changes in macronutrient ratio. It's no secret that going from a high carb to low carb diet you are going to feel tired. For most people this is only about 2-3 weeks though. The body "adapts" to burning more fat as fuel by increasing oxidative enzymes. This is not really a change in metabolism up or down, but an adaptation which will temporarily mess with metabolism. 4. NEAT (as well as couple other acronyms describing the same thing) -- non exercise activity thermogenesis. Basically, there's people who move around a lot more whether it's shaking their legs, having a job on their feet, walking around more during the day.. or whatever. Even in moderate amounts it tends to increase metabolism and calories burned leading to dropping weight. This is why obese people can just walk for like 20 minutes a day and lose weight without changing their diet. | ||
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SOB_Maj_Brian
United States522 Posts
I run/jog about 4.5 miles a day and burn X calories right, and then I eat total crap every day and end up with a calroie surplus. Now I've been doing that for 2 months now, and I think I've gained some weight but I have also gotten faster/better endurance. My question is this good or bad for your health? Like if this continues over a long period of time will I just get bigger and faster or will I just hit an equilibrium or will I just end up fat? | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On October 11 2009 13:07 SOB_Maj_Brian wrote: This is a noob question on fitness, but maybe someone can answer this or somebody already has answered this ( its kind of related to the last persons question)... I run/jog about 4.5 miles a day and burn X calories right, and then I eat total crap every day and end up with a calroie surplus. Now I've been doing that for 2 months now, and I think I've gained some weight but I have also gotten faster/better endurance. My question is this good or bad for your health? Like if this continues over a long period of time will I just get bigger and faster or will I just hit an equilibrium or will I just end up fat? Both. Eating poor is bad for your health. Exercise, in moderate quantities, is good for your health. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
 gone out yesterday and consumed a shitload of calories and ate nothing today, I could still be on track for a deadlined fast loss goal?I hate to waste your time with petty questions like this but I have one more. Back when I was extremely overweight, I didn't know anything about diet and nutrition, all I knew was, that if I consumed less calories than I used, then I would lose weight. Unfortunately that doesn't work as well when you're trying to get down to very low body fat percentages, I've had to cycle carbs, increase and decrease my fat intake, and even short spurts of ketogenic. I'm going to China for WCG in November, spending the week at WCG, some time in Beijing a week in Phuket at the end lazing by the beach, going snorkeling etc. I'm confident I will be able to get to 8-10% body fat by the time I have to fly out, the problem I am going to face is that for at least the 2-3 weeks that I will be in China, I will not be able to eat my standard 6-7 meals of chicken/tuna/protein shake & vegetables. And I won't be able to hit the gym 5 days a week. How hard do you think it will be to maintain my physique with irregular eating patterns, and a lack of resistance training. Vainly, I would like to have a six pack still as I walk down the beach in Phuket... | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On October 11 2009 14:08 Energies wrote: [1]So had I hypothetically gone out yesterday and consumed a shitload of calories and ate nothing today, I could still be on track for a deadlined fast loss goal?I hate to waste your time with petty questions like this but I have one more. [2]Back when I was extremely overweight, I didn't know anything about diet and nutrition, all I knew was, that if I consumed less calories than I used, then I would lose weight. Unfortunately that doesn't work as well when you're trying to get down to very low body fat percentages, I've had to cycle carbs, increase and decrease my fat intake, and even short spurts of ketogenic. [3]I'm going to China for WCG in November, spending the week at WCG, some time in Beijing a week in Phuket at the end lazing by the beach, going snorkeling etc. I'm confident I will be able to get to 8-10% body fat by the time I have to fly out, the problem I am going to face is that for at least the 2-3 weeks that I will be in China, I will not be able to eat my standard 6-7 meals of chicken/tuna/protein shake & vegetables. And I won't be able to hit the gym 5 days a week. How hard do you think it will be to maintain my physique with irregular eating patterns, and a lack of resistance training. Vainly, I would like to have a six pack still as I walk down the beach in Phuket... 1.Of course. One of the zone principles that works well is that even if you cheat if you get back on schedule right away it's no big harm done. Now, if you're a perpetual cheaters.. .aka multiple times a week then you're probably not gonna see as good results. BUt most people who eat well eat according to the 80/20 or 90/10 rule. YOu get most of the results from eating well most of the time. 2. Yep. Cals in vs. Cals out works fairly well until single digit body fat. Most BBers go low carb/ketogenic or carb cycle with lots of protein + regular lifting + cardio to cut the fat. 3. Workouts you can do stuff like tabatas.. simple effective with good results. Food will be fun.  I would honestly just enjoy it.. don't sweat it too much but don't excessively overeat either.As long as you eat decently with some exercise like tabatas you should be able to maintain what you have there. | ||
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wodesanchoon
25 Posts
On October 11 2009 13:11 eshlow wrote: Both. Eating poor is bad for your health. Exercise, in moderate quantities, is good for your health. I think it's two aspects of the same argument. GOod eating leads to better excercise and vice versa. | ||
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eshlow
United States5210 Posts
On October 11 2009 14:40 wodesanchoon wrote: I think it's two aspects of the same argument. GOod eating leads to better excercise and vice versa. Of course. | ||
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Energies
Australia3225 Posts
I hate how slow the fat loss process is in the final stages. I am not a fun and pleasant person at all with my current diet and exercise routine. I'm always tired and moody from the lack of carbs and long gym sessions. I've heard you most efficiently lose weight with diet and exercise. But you can maintain your body weight by eating normally and just exercising regularly. I really hope that is the case. I miss my oatmeal, fruit, pasta and occasional slice of cake... mmm. cake. | ||
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jfazz
Australia672 Posts
My insides hurt. Not looking forward to reporting the week's results tomorrow | ||
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
On July 18 2009 14:37 Hurricane wrote: Age: 20 Height: 5"11' Current Weight: 152 ~8-10% body fat Goal Weight: 160-170 5-6% body fat Starting Date: July 17 Goal Date: November 1 Basically trying to get back into my prime at the end of senior year football before I had to cut weight to wrestle. This is not going to happen. I'll re-instate this goal once I can afford a gym membership  | ||
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Amnesia
United States3818 Posts
I ripped off some skin on my ankle and it hurts like a bitch. I couldn't really run or do anything for the past four-five days but I managed to lose weight? I ate a lot more than usual too. I'm starting to think that eating more = faster metabolism = burn fat quicker because it is certainly more effective than keeping calories at a limit. I'm probably wrong or right (i dont know lol) as I'm a clueless noob lol! | ||
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Hurricane
United States3939 Posts
On October 11 2009 16:44 SoMuchSoul wrote: Alright so it's really weird. I ripped off some skin on my ankle and it hurts like a bitch. I couldn't really run or do anything for the past four-five days but I managed to lose weight? I ate a lot more than usual too. I'm starting to think that eating more = faster metabolism = burn fat quicker because it is certainly more effective than keeping calories at a limit. I'm probably wrong or right (i dont know lol) as I'm a clueless noob lol! I think it has to do with starting to workout and eating well again. Your body should realize that you are regularly need more energy and so it should ramp up your metabolism to adjust for it. | ||
KwarK
United States42778 Posts
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