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Sc2ggRise
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States607 Posts
October 12 2009 00:17 GMT
#1461
On October 12 2009 03:23 Elegance wrote:
Hey guys, i need some advice on gaining weight. I am currently 17 years old, 6"0 and 135 pounds. I eat a lot, yet im showing no signs of gaining weight. I should work out, but i dont really know how to get started. thanks.


you aren't eating a lot

here is some reallllllllllllllllly useful info on finding out how many calories you should be eating per day. I usually need around 2500 to maintain my current weight - so if I want to gain weight I will eat anywhere from 3000-3500 depending on my activity level in achieving whatever results i'm looking for. The following info was taken from John Stone Fitness Forums (http://forums.johnstonefitness.com/showthread.php?t=1222)

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Estimating Your Daily Calorie Requirement

Its important to know how many calories you should consume per day to achieve the maximum amount of weight loss while maintaining your lean body mass. If you eat too few calories you lose muscle, if you eat too many you don’t make progress or even go backwards. Previously when I’ve gone on a diet I’ve tried to eat healthy and eat less without actually recording what I’ve eaten. The problem is I eat too little because I am so anxious to achieve my goals and I end up losing muscle mass and not much fat because my body goes into starvation mode.

I think its important to note that calorie counting can be rather time consuming in the beginning and that I'm not saying you absolutely have to do it. Feel free to ignore this bit and continue on with the rest of the guide, because by roughly estimating how much to eat (and by constantly revising this amount based on your results) you can still achieve excellent results. However, although counting calories may seem pedantic, it is effective. You dont have to do it forever, only long enough for you to learn what works best for your body. It took me about 2 months to really pin point my needs and then down the track at certain intervals I have resumed counting calories for a couple of weeks to reevaluate my calculations. Once you get past the first week and work out the figures for most of your meals it becomes really easy. So to conclude, this part is not essential, but recommended.

Below I’ve listed the equations necessary to estimate (its impossible to be spot on) how many calories you should be eating per day. Your Basal Metabolic Rate is the number of calories your body uses when at rest to perform vital bodily functions. We start off by calculating your BMR and then you times it by an activity factor. I’ve used some of my stats to demonstrate.



If you need to convert any of your measurements, check out this site:

http://www.onlineconversion.com/

My Stats
Height – 178cms
Weight – 77kg
Age – 21yrs

Harris Benedict BMR Formula For Men

BMR = 66 + (13.7 X weight in kgs) + (5 X height in cms) – (6.8 X age in yrs).

Harris Benedict BMR Formula For Women

BMR = 655 + (9.6 X weight in kgs) + (1.8 X height in cms) – (4.7 X age in years)

So to calculate my BMR I do the following: 66 + (13.7 X 77) + (5 X 178) – (6.8 X 21)

BMR = 66 + 1054.9 + 890 – 142.8

BMR = 1868

Now we need to take into account the amount of energy burned through activity.

1. If you are sedentary (little or no exercise) – BMR X 1.2

2. If your are lightly active (light exercise/sports 1-3 days a week) – BMR X 1.375

3. If you are moderately active (moderate exercise/sports 3-5 days a week) – BMR X 1.55

4. If you are very active (hard exercise/sports 6-7 days a week) – BMR X 1.725

5. If you are extra active (very hard daily exercise/sports & physical job or training twice daily – BMR X 1.9.

I fell into category number 3 therefore 1868 X 1.55 = 2895.4

Therefore 2895.4 is the number of calories I need per day to maintain my current weight. As you know to burn fat I eat less than I consume. So how many calories do I take off this figure without the risk of burning muscle.

They recommend that a person lose 1-2 lbs per week maximum. The example I’m going to use is for my aim to be to lose 1 lb per week. I believe this is fast enough and I won’t be losing any muscle. 1 lb of fat is 3500 calories. Therefore to lose 1 lb a week you do the following: 3500 divided by 7 = 500 cals. I then minus 500 from 2895.4 = 2395.4. So to burn 1 lb of fat per week I must consume no more and no less than 2395.4 calories per day.

Now that you know how may calories per day you should be eating, where do you get these calories? You can’t just go down to McDonalds and eat your required amount of calories and think your job is done. You need to be eating the correct percentages of macronutrients and then you need to know the best foods with which to get these macronutrients.


he speaks mostly about weight loss, but it is pretty simple to figure out what you have to do to gain weight as well. This is the basic formula that I used in going from 140 -> 160.
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 12 2009 00:30 GMT
#1462
WEEKLY UPDATE TIME!

Weight: 70kg (1 kg gained, goal reached!)
Chest: 98cm (+1cm. +4cm to goal)
Waist: 69cm (lost 1 cm, lose 1 more to goal)
Bicep: 29cm (gained 1 cm! +6 to goal...)

So, despite two horrible days that I thought would spoil everything, I managed to hit my weight target and improve my waist measurement. Basically, I had improvement in all my key indicators, and I was able to go up on the weights in the gym. Nice.

I want to maintain this weight, and just work on increasing my strength. Is it alright to cut down on food a little?
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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 12 2009 02:18 GMT
#1463
I want to maintain this weight, and just work on increasing my strength. Is it alright to cut down on food a little?


if you cut food you'll probably bounce back up. good luck on your biceps btw... tbh your goal seems a bit unrealistic if you want to gain 6 more cm still...
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
October 12 2009 02:22 GMT
#1464
On October 12 2009 08:25 Patriot.dlk wrote:
Hey guys! Here's an update in my status and quite a few questions:

Goal was to reach 165 lbs and increase muscles, this is mission complete a long time ago. I feel different and I look different. INew goal is to get a 6 pack and to bench press my own weight (might take years but I can wait)

Now, questions:

1. every set has 7-10 reps. Bench press with just the bar x10, then with 30 kg, then with 50kg (my max) 50 kg again (or less If i can't take it) and one last set with maybe 30 kg or more depending on how i'm feeling.

This gives me very little or no DOMS at all. A while back I felt it for 2-3 days. I assume this means I got to do other exercises that actives the same muscles? Squats for example gets me every time.

2. Food. I want protein I don't want any kind of supplements if I can avoid it. Why? Because I love to shop, prepare and eat food and a few other reasons. I've read a formula several times that suggests 1.4 to 3.3 g of protein per kg of body weight per day (0.6 to 1.5 g per pound) and I can't translate that into food even if I stretch it.

Basically since my weight is 75 kg it means I have to eat 250 g protein a day but I can't picture those meals?

breakfast ~ 30g
Lunch ~ 50g
snack ~ 10g
dinner ~ 50g
snack ~10g

Snacks are usually fruit, sandwich or salad depending on appetite and I consider above estimates to be best case scenario. What could I change?

3. I often wake up and drink water and have a grape or something just to get rid of the dry sensation in my mouth and then I go straight for the gym. I eat about 2 hours later (Get to the gym and get ready 10 minutes - exercise 1.5 hours + and then shower and go home).

I'm thinking this is a good ritual since I have a good appetite when I come home and I digest the food well and I'm hungry again about 3 hours later?

4. I sometimes feel very ill if I eat suggerish stuff like a candy bar or a jam sandwich if I exercied that day... Almost like my body can't stand sugar at all because I exercised... I don't know it's weird. I'm addicted to sugar and I can't help myself sometimes (even though I've cut down on sugar like 1000%) and what's even more weird, sometimes I find myself being repulsed by anything sweet for a few days, just totally not in a mood, not even my favorite candy?


1. DOMS is not an indicator of a good workout. Progression either in strength and/or mass is.

2. If you're going above 1g/lbs protein then you generally need to supplement... otherwise you're eating a lot of meat/fish/eggs/milk.

That schedule is fine... but if you want to "optimize" mass gain a bit more you need more protein. But it's more than enough if you're content with how you're progressing.

3. That's fine.

4. Eating right and exercise increase insulin sensivitity. If you eat "poorly" with excessive sugar at once time, your body produces a lot of insulin and since you're sensitive it pulls all of the sugar from your blood stream into your muscles/fat/etc. cells. This makes you hypoglycemic and tired.

That's why if you eat well you want to generally stay with balanced macros so this doesn't occur. If you REALLY want to have a candy bar, eat it with some fat like nuts so it slows absorption of glucose/fructose and you don't get insulin spike.

Especially if you are trying to lose fat.. you shoudl try to eat well all the time honestly.

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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 12 2009 02:25 GMT
#1465
What is DOMS?
eMbrace
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1300 Posts
October 12 2009 02:33 GMT
#1466
On October 12 2009 11:25 madnessman wrote:
What is DOMS?


feeling muscle soreness the next day
jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 12 2009 02:38 GMT
#1467
delayed onset muscle soreness.
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madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 12 2009 04:20 GMT
#1468
Alright thanks... It's kind of scary how fast you can lose your gains. I used to concentrate on my pushups (I'd do at least 5x20 pushups everyday) but I stopped because I've been concentrating more on endurance stuff (run, bike, swim) but I just did 10 pushups and it was much harder than it should've been. Ouch. I'm going to work my way back up to doing 100 pushups now because swim season is starting soon and I need to regain my upper body strength.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20022 Posts
October 12 2009 04:27 GMT
#1469
On October 12 2009 01:24 Kwark wrote:
My sister has a resting heart rate in the low 30s. Doctors spent ages trying to work out what was wrong with her but couldn't find anything so decided she was probably okay because it wasn't adversely effecting her life. Although she does black out a lot.


like 4 kids on my high school swim team were all americans and had heart rates in the 30s-40s. doctors were like "wtf are you alive" but i guess they just had really strong hearts
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SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5434 Posts
October 12 2009 05:27 GMT
#1470
Having a really hard time getting under 175 pounds. Not really a mystery why, because my diet hasn't been as strict for social reasons, and I haven't been getting to the gym as often; plus, it's getting too cold to ride my bike now... But still frustrating, after dropping from ~200 to 175 so fast, and then not seeing many gains since. :|

At least I still see (some) gains in the lifting/running department. But I really gotta get on a strict diet if I want to keep seeing lots of progress.

jfazz
Profile Joined September 2009
Australia672 Posts
October 12 2009 07:16 GMT
#1471
I have to say, its all nutrition. For a few months I was having only small gains, but since getting some guidance from Eslow and Energies, my diet has improved a lot (more food, more protein) and ive had much faster progress.

I thought eating way more would just lead to fat gain, but coupled with a good exercise regime and an overall cleaner diet, the truth has infact been the opposite.

If you have any dietary questions, im sure the other posters here can help you
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Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
October 12 2009 09:13 GMT
#1472
Thanks a lot for the replies I love this thread.I'm going to come up with my new strict diet today and post it later.

SoleSteeler my girlfriend put on some weight and now she's back down again after 6 mounts. She lost weight in batches, like suddenly she had lost 2-3 KG and she diets strictly. I have not and naturally I have not lost nearly enough (not that I wanted to) but anyways I agree with diet being the base and you should totally get on to it and post thoughts
Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
October 12 2009 11:11 GMT
#1473
I just came back from my local park, I was doing interval sprints between the soccer goals. Wearing my compression pants, feeling super aerodynamic and had a small carb hit, I was feeling quite fit. First few intervals I was easily doing the 100 metres in around 12 seconds. It felt like I was flying, such an awesome feeling. Although I did like 6 intervals and then threw up. Had some water, did some pushups, pull ups and dips on the playground and came home.

Out drinking on Saturday, still looking a bit bloated, need to take some diuretics.
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
madnessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States1581 Posts
October 12 2009 14:01 GMT
#1474
On October 12 2009 20:11 Energies wrote:
I just came back from my local park, I was doing interval sprints between the soccer goals. Wearing my compression pants, feeling super aerodynamic and had a small carb hit, I was feeling quite fit. First few intervals I was easily doing the 100 metres in around 12 seconds. It felt like I was flying, such an awesome feeling. Although I did like 6 intervals and then threw up. Had some water, did some pushups, pull ups and dips on the playground and came home.

Out drinking on Saturday, still looking a bit bloated, need to take some diuretics.


Haha. I'm impressed that you continued to work out after you threw up. What's the point of compression pants? I've seen them on sale and I've seen guys wearing them but I've never bothered with them. The closest thing I have to them are... my swimming competition suits which do "compress" I guess...
Sfydjklm
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States9218 Posts
October 12 2009 15:05 GMT
#1475
life is too hard to deny yourself candy!
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Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
October 12 2009 16:09 GMT
#1476
If you say that it's too cold to do [x], realize that unless it's below 0, you're just being a pussy.

Exercise shouldn't feel good until it's over anyways!
Patriot.dlk
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Sweden5462 Posts
October 12 2009 17:15 GMT
#1477
Energies why did you throw up? That's just very unwanted for me so I'll learn from your mistakes if that's ok =)

I want to agree with travis but in reality I hate running when it's cold. Lucky for me I only run outdoors once a week.

[Diet Update]
Okay I went shopping for food to support a better diet today and I'm now stockpiled on:
Corn, peas, haricot, broccoli. This together with fresh salad ingredients like cucumber, tomato etc will be about half the plate.

minced beef meat, chicken files and salmon will be other other half together with eggs. I did really good meatballs today with a corn-salad, eggs and home baked non sugar non white bread.

Breakfast will now be eggs, rye with yogurt, fruit and my own bread. Gone is jam in favor of expensive ham and my favorite cheese.

I eat my last suggerish breakfast this morning and I almost threw up as a result. I've going to see a doctor to check for diabetes and what not just to be on the safe side.
ImNotBisu
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada142 Posts
October 12 2009 18:24 GMT
#1478
Current:

172cm
141 pounds

Goal:
135 pounds

Basically, my goal is to trim down on the little belly fat I have so my 6-pack would show more, right now it's clearly a 4 pack but the other 2 are barely visible:S

However, I am working on arms/chest as well, so I want to lose weight but not my muscle mass, I'm going for the clean and slightly ripped "Asian-buff" type of look, meaning I don't want to get too big.

Something like this:

[image loading]


Rain ^_^
unknown.sam
Profile Joined May 2007
Philippines2701 Posts
October 13 2009 06:44 GMT
#1479
just a question regarding progression with pullups.

i started with 3x3, then 4x3, then 5x3 and stopped at 6x3 and took about 2 weeks off. then i decided to change things up by doing 3x8, 4x6 and 5x5. should i continue with what i was doing initially (from 3x3 work up to 10x3), should i continue what i'm currently doing (from 3x8-5x5-8x3) or should i just try to improve on my max reps?? i actually don't know my max, but guessing from my previous exercise (i barely managed 5x5) i would think maybe 7-8 reps.

thanks in advance
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ToT)MidiaN(
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
England2183 Posts
October 13 2009 09:06 GMT
#1480
MidiaN
Age: 24 Height: 5' 10"
Current Weight: 154lbs
Goal weight: 160+lbs (with lower body fat than now, so I wanna both put muscle on AND lose fat)
Starting Date: Feb
Ending Date: However long it takes.


These were the numbers I posted back in February. Although I managed to attain 160+ lbs, it's not the good type, my body fat is a fair bit higher than it's ever been and I recently weighed myself at 75.5kg, the heaviest I've ever been. There was a stretch of 3 months this year when I was drinking almost everyday, and habits in general have been bad for several years. A month ago I started taking diet and exercise more seriously, started reading up on diets, programs, have almost entirely cut out drinking (Less than once a week), started eating healthier, am currently doing slow-state cardio 5-6 times a week and lifting weights 3-4 times a week. Progress is being made, slowly but surely

Here are reviewed numbers:
Age: 25 Height: 5' 10"
Start Weight: 165lbs (23.6% BF)
Current Weight: 160.5lbs (22% BF)
Goal weight: 160lbs (<20% BF)
Starting Date: Sept 4th
Ending Date: Initially Nov 24th.

In my first month I lost 3.5lbs of fat and 0.2lbs of muscle, representing a loss of 1.6% BF. This is apparently a somewhat normal rate of fat loss (Approx 1lb/week), albeit a little bit on the slower side, to be truthful I was expecting better results to occur in these beginning stages and will feel pretty shitty if this is as fast as it's going to get for me. I feel like I'm still doing a lot of things wrong, and a lot of it is just discipline with regards to diet. Anyway I have a few questions, they are pretty newbie and may have already been covered in this thread, but I've not read it all so I apologise if that's the case.

1) Currently I'm lifting light weights for many reps (3 sets with minimum of 10 reps each set, often times as many as 20 in a set) is this fine or should I be looking to lift heavy with fewer reps even when my primary focus is losing fat? I obviously don't want to lose muscle, but I realise that it's pretty hard to both lose fat and gain muscle at the same time.

2) Is it worth supplementing creatine when cutting or is it a waste of time? When is it best to use it? Pre workout? Post workout?

3) I have a very low amount of lean muscle for my weight and obviously intend on fixing that in the future. However right now, considering I'm 22% BF I feel like I should focus on losing fat first, then building muscle afterwards. Am I going about this the wrong way round? Should I build muscle first, and then cut after, or are my suspicions correct and that, at 22% BF, I should be looking to lose fat first? If my suspicions are correct, at what point should I be changing my primary focus from fat loss to muscle gain?

Appreciate the feedback that a lot of people have posted in this thread, lots of good stuff.
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