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JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 15:35:02
March 06 2009 15:30 GMT
#561
Broccoli Salmon = Great dinner, or even tomatoes.

I found out that I have to take 112 g of protein a day (min amount), FML.
Benching 225 is light weight. Soy Cubano y Boricua!
SteelString
Profile Joined July 2006
446 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-06 15:50:17
March 06 2009 15:47 GMT
#562
On March 05 2009 22:45 PJA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2009 09:13 SteelString wrote:
On February 18 2009 07:05 statix wrote:
On February 18 2009 06:23 eshlow wrote:
On February 18 2009 05:35 KOFgokuon wrote:
On February 17 2009 12:59 eshlow wrote:
SteelString

You do gymnastics with a college club team or something?

BTW, diet looks good.


For everyone... there are no essential carbs, but there are essential fats and protein. You don't NEED any carbs to live as your body can make them from fat and protein, heh.

In fact, for fat loss it's generally better to have a diet higher in fat. This (1) prevents insulin spiking which tends to deposit extra calories into fat mass, and also (2) encourages your body to metabolize fat better (producing more B-oxidation proteins) which can then be used to burn fat for fuel with a caloric deficiet.


that's a lie, you can't produce glucose from fat or protein, and if you don't have glucose your brain starves


LOL? Have you taken a biochemistry class before? Or are you just some high school kid trying to act smart?


Fat is metabolized via Beta-oxidation (b-oxidation) to acetyl-CoA. Acetyl-CoA is metabolized with citrate all the way around the kreb's cycle to oxaloacetate.

Proteins, depending on their structure, are metabolized into glycolysis or the kreb's cycle pathways. Most go to pyruvate or some derivative.

In the liver, the body converts both oxaloacetate and pyruvate substrates to phosphoenolpyruvate and combines them all the way up the chain to glucose. As seen in this image:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6b/Gluconeogenesis.png

As I said, there are no essential carbohydrates. You can live off of ONLY fat and protein. The Inuit/Eskimo's are a very good example... they have lived off basically whale/seal/etc. type food for thousands of years which is approximately 15-20% protein and 80-85% fat if I remember correctly.



Personally, I always try to consume a hefty portion of complex carbohydrates about 1-1½ hours before excercise. If I don't eat before a workout (1-1½ hours before) the lack of energy usually leaves me feeling unmotivated and bored.

Saying that you don't need complex carbs is ridiculous if you're trying to lose weight. It's possible but you're going to feel like ass all day every day. Concentrating on eliminating carbs from your diet is too damn cumbersome and often leads people to simply give up on their weight loss goals. diet is the harrrrrrrrrdest part.

just stay away from bad foods (fast food, processed foods (anything in a box or can)), maintain a diet thats high in protein/fruits/and vegetables, and continue exercising and pushing yourself towars your weight loss(or gain) goals.


edit: i eat about 4-5 times a day (mostly salads, lean meats, vegetables, and fruits) consuming about 100 grams of protein(both supplemental and through diet) and around 80-100oz of water.
if you have questions about supplements or exercise in general, I may be able to help you.

pm me if i can help at all.

The bolded text is just untrue. I can guarantee you that from personal experience and the testimonials of others, you can survive with literally NO carbohydrates. The 30g per day rule of the Anabolic Diet gives you a little wiggle room for veggies, peanut butter, etc, but it's not supposed to be 30g of sugar or any given amount. You don't need to intake any sugar at all... in fact since cutting out carbs my workouts have only gotten stronger (though the first week was a little groggy, yeah)

As for it being "cumbersome," yes, it's difficult, but willpower is fun. There's no need to minimize your hours in the gym by eating a tub of ice cream, it's just a waste. I actually get a little satisfaction out of turning junk food down.

Finally, if you're only eating 100g of protein with supplements, you're either eating like 1200 calories a day or you're a vegetarian. wtf?

edit: for some reason the bolded quoted text isn't showing up for me. My firefox is fucked up or something, this kind of error is happening on a lot of sites (mostly forums)... anyone else having this problem?


I really do not understand where people are getting these kinds of ideas about dieting from. The whole low-carb diet stuff is just stupid media fads, none of the top athletes in any fields follow it. If you look at athletes in any sport, or even at body builders and fitness experts, few if any would tell you to do away with carbs. You also attack carbs by saying "theres no need to minimize your hours in the gym by eating a tub of ice cream," which hardly makes any sense, considering nobody is saying to eat ice cream. But can you tell me with a straight face that eating dates, prunes, figs, oranges, blueberries, raspberries, any other fruit you can name is going to "minimize your hours in the gym?" If you can, I feel very sad for you lack of correct nutritional information.

Also, it's fairly easy to eat only 100g of protein and get 2000 calories (or even 3000), without being vegetarian. Other than meat, most foods have a very high calorie to protein ratio, even things like nuts and beans, so if you eat a lot of fruits, vegetables and things like oatmeal or granola, it's easy to get enough calories and not consume a ton of protein.

You obviously have not tried low carb yourself. There's nothing "media fad" about it, it's tried and true.

Fruits you mentioned are relatively good in terms of carbs and body effect, compared to grains and refined foods... A low carb diet with fruit added in is, I think, something called the Paleo Diet, and though I have not tried it myself it seems a decent alternative, at least to eating high-carb. I have no hate for fruits.

The other poster covered any other points I might have made, such as professional athletes eating low carb.

As for the second part of your post, you missed the part of his post where he says "with supplements." If you're drinking 25g protein shakes you should NOT have any trouble hitting 150, 200g of protein in a day. Your post also contradicts itself, "...without being vegetarian." You go on to list a large number of vegetarian foods. "OTHER THAN MEAT", as in, VEGETARIAN.
eshlow
Profile Joined June 2008
United States5210 Posts
March 06 2009 17:34 GMT
#563
On March 06 2009 20:31 Energies wrote:I tried a 'Low Carb' thing for a couple of days at one point of time, but I had no energy and I was constantly hungry, it actually negatively effected my exercise. I really don't see the point, I will get shredded and I will get my abs, it will just take a bit longer but it means I can still enjoy my fruits/yogurts/bread. Why deprive yourself if you're not a professional body builder.


As I stated in my previous post, if you've eaten high carb most of your life there is a transition period of about 1-3 weeks (generally between 1-2 depending on how fast your body can adapt) where your body has to switch it's metabolism by increase fat burning enzymes to allow you to have sufficient energy on a low carb/high fat diet.

Since you only did it for a few days, you came to the conclusion that you were constantly hungry, had no energy, and your exercise sucked. However, you didn't stick with it long enough to find out if it's actually good for not...

It's not depriving yourself at all to be honest. Most people are addicted to carbs and/or sugar, so it's good to get off it and greatly increase your insulin sensitivity. Very good for health.
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Energies
Profile Blog Joined September 2003
Australia3225 Posts
March 07 2009 08:45 GMT
#564
On March 07 2009 00:23 Rekrul wrote:
my life is broccoli salmon gym and poker now

MANNER LIFE


I'd probably cut out the broccoli.
Straight out of wiki.

The Silent Killer

Broccoli, believe it or not, is actually a poisonous vegetable. It CAN cause cancer, however several early humans happened to be immune to the rare form and so it has lived on as a common household vegetable. Not only is it cancerous, broccoli is far too hard to be chewed as well as other vegetables, causing cases of severe choking. Viewers of 'The Simpsons' may have seen the episode where Homer dies from choking on broccoli, Dr Hibbert explaining how its disgusting taste warns you of its deadly abilities.


Truth!
"Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder but dont nobody wanna lift no heavy ass weight" - Ronnie Coleman.
gzealot
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Singapore238 Posts
March 25 2009 02:07 GMT
#565
Just an update:

Well, after 3 months on my new strength-based training, I have been receiving some comments from friends that i look "bigger", so I guess some effects of the training is showing itself. Next Question: For Abs work, i do 3 sets of 30 situps, i'm guessing its too little to show effect. Anyone has suggestions? Furthermore, i went on a protein-heavier diet in my normal meals by including more meats and whatnot, but I *swear* that i can pinch more belly fat now, even though my weight was more or less stayed constant. Any suggestions to stop this from happening? Thanks!
iSCOUT4u
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States327 Posts
March 25 2009 02:15 GMT
#566
I suggest Ab exercises with a medicine ball...super effective. get something between 10-15 lbs..depending on your strength.
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Culture
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada488 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 04:05:21
March 25 2009 04:01 GMT
#567
I eat high nutrient carb foods (Veggies, grains, legumes, beans, rice etc), that let me get enough protein (chick peas for example are high in protein). The vast vast majority of the carbs I eat are complex carbs --- and it works perfectly fine for me. Please enlighten me what you mean by this low carb shananagins -- unless you're referring to simple carbs.

Edit: I suppose I am very carb tolerant, I eat quite many carbs during my cycling exertions that sometimes go over 100 miles :<.
SweeTLemonS[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
11739 Posts
March 25 2009 04:31 GMT
#568
I'm finally checking in here. I'm just starting to work out again. I was going for a good week or two, and then I went through this six to eight week period where I was breaking up with my girl, and that kinda sent me into a depressive state in which I didn't want to do anything at all. Instead of being smart and working out, I ended up finding comfort in really unhealthy foods, so I gained weight. I just got done working out, and while I need to make a plan to stick by, at least I am on the right path again.
I'm never gonna know you now \ But I'm gonna love you anyhow.
achap54
Profile Joined March 2009
United States49 Posts
March 25 2009 16:33 GMT
#569
I started running today (15 minutes) after a week of daily walking to ease back into condition. At my age, you have to build up slowly.
This too shall pass
jjun212
Profile Joined December 2004
Canada2208 Posts
April 16 2009 00:59 GMT
#570
Hey

I had a few questions about some foods

White Bread - People tell me not to eat it but is it ok once in a while like maybe once a week or once every 2 weeks? I'm asking because most shops on my campus sell white bread sandwiches

Also; are almonds alright for you? I hear they have a lot of benefits but are fatty...
goldenkrnboi
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3104 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-16 03:13:09
April 16 2009 03:10 GMT
#571
bah. i have reached 183 because i went to the gym all spring break. but now i can't go to the gym anymore cause of schoolwork and i'm slowly rising back up. :[ fuck chem tests.


+ i'm not satisfied because i still have a ton of useless chubbiness in waist.

really, as long as the chubby stomach mostly goes away, i'm happy. i thought being around 180 would fix that. i was unhappy.
taohiker
Profile Joined March 2009
34 Posts
April 16 2009 03:17 GMT
#572
The P90x videos are good for working out. Can download them with torrents and even if you can't or don't want to follow the exact program(I don't) the videos are still good when you want to exercise.
bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
April 16 2009 03:41 GMT
#573
On April 16 2009 09:59 jjun212 wrote:
Hey

I had a few questions about some foods

White Bread - People tell me not to eat it but is it ok once in a while like maybe once a week or once every 2 weeks? I'm asking because most shops on my campus sell white bread sandwiches

Also; are almonds alright for you? I hear they have a lot of benefits but are fatty...


They should have alternatives... whole wheat is healthier but the main thing is that they both have shitty carbs that you don't need which will turn to fat.

Almonds are alright but in moderation... you should be eating fruits and vegetables and lean proteins...I started using a meal replacement shake instead of eating snacks in between meals. Something like:

Frozen berries
Banana
Peanut Butter
Non fat yogurt
Milk
Protein Powder

Tastes great and keeps you full. I try to eat natural foods... don't eat shit with preservatives and additives. Make your own meals with grilled chicken, fish, veggies, etc. and drink plenty of water (10+ glasses a day). Combine that with exercise at least 3 or 4 days a week and you're set.
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25979 Posts
April 22 2009 18:17 GMT
#574
Updates please I like reading this thread a lot. I started my own thing March 1st but I'm just keeping it private. It's fun to read people's results and experiences though!
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bdams19
Profile Joined January 2005
United States1316 Posts
April 22 2009 18:42 GMT
#575
for all the nutrition noobs out there, use www.fitday.com. Keep track of what you eat and how much and it calculates the fat/carbs/protein. You will quickly see if you are eating too much of something and can adjust your diet as needed. It also helps you keep to a caloric target.

My roommate who can't lose weight refuses to use this because I insist that the reason is his diet and he won't believe me yet he continues to eat a bowl of pasta covered in pesto sauce and a giant vat of chili and rice for dinner every night. Go figure lol.
decafchicken
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States20010 Posts
April 22 2009 18:49 GMT
#576
On March 25 2009 11:07 gzealot wrote:
Just an update:

Well, after 3 months on my new strength-based training, I have been receiving some comments from friends that i look "bigger", so I guess some effects of the training is showing itself. Next Question: For Abs work, i do 3 sets of 30 situps, i'm guessing its too little to show effect. Anyone has suggestions? Furthermore, i went on a protein-heavier diet in my normal meals by including more meats and whatnot, but I *swear* that i can pinch more belly fat now, even though my weight was more or less stayed constant. Any suggestions to stop this from happening? Thanks!


30 sets of 30 sit ups probably wont do shit...start doing more things like leg lifts, scissors, bicycles, ab twists, weighted sit ups, etc. Combine this with cardio if you want to more definition. getting a 6 pack is a combination of having enough abs for them to show and having low enough body fat for them to show.

I'm up to 200-205 now but starting to lose some definition even if i have gained strength. been infrequent at the gym, but i can't wait till i go home and can lift 4 times a week and run every day
how reasonable is it to eat off wood instead of your tummy?
Deleted User 3420
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 19:28:15
April 22 2009 19:26 GMT
#577
these days my diet is ridiculous. eating purely vegetarian.

when i first wake, orange juice and banana smoothie.
couple hours later i cook up stir fry (generally like, broccoli carrots onions mushrooms in olive oil), eat that on rice.
few hours later i have a snack of oatmeal - maybe with some more juice
and then 3-4 hours before bed I have more stir fry on rice

strength training every other day, yoga/cardio on off days

1 arm pullup is still coming. I can get most of one with my right arm but can't with my left arm - shoulder is still too weak.
GhosterPyle
Profile Joined April 2009
United States8 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-22 19:37:09
April 22 2009 19:34 GMT
#578
First post, but I lost 65 a couple years ago. Dont know if these have been mentioned but:

Always remember to eat breakfast when you wake up, increases metabolism like crazy
My advice for soda addicts is to switch to seltzer
Most people in the gym are nice =) don't be intimidated when you start
Remember to NOT overwork your muscles when lifting, you could stall out - keep in mind this is different from working out hard.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-04-23 04:12:36
April 23 2009 04:12 GMT
#579
Sydney has a fun run/marathon coming up in a couple of months, called City 2 Surf. It's 14km along roads and you might have guessed, run from the cbd to the beach. I want to train for it but I've never run a distance longer than 6km, was wondering if anyone has any advice for training to doing so. My new goal is:

Be able to run 14km without stopping by August 9th.

Which gives me 108 days to train. I would say if I walked outside now and went running I could do 5km~
Their are four errors in this sentance.
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
April 23 2009 04:17 GMT
#580
Ok I need to have a partner for this, I've been getting really lazy
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