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You make up lots of points out of thin air, you see that? XD
So in the past 10 years they had no good striker then?
There are lots of issues there at the moment and Tuchel might not be the best ... lets just say personality to fix them but saying he is a bad coach is far off.
Bad coaches dont even get a job at Bayern because they will not hire any pleb.
Bad coaches dont win the CL (or come so far even)
Of course, if you say thats luck, lets have a look at where they landed in PL... 4th place. Super trash right? Should have been fired for this, aye? How could Bayern even have considered Tuchel as an option with these mere results?
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I just hope one day sharkie feels comfortable enough to gather us all around the fire and tell us the tale of whatever poor Tommy Tuchs did to him all those years ago :p
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On February 15 2024 23:10 WombaT wrote:
I just hope one day sharkie feels comfortable enough to gather us all around the fire and tell us the tale of whatever poor Tommy Tuchs did to him all those years ago :p
I think Tuchel is a sort of person to take the last slice of pizza for himself without offering any so maybe thats what happened :D
Dont want to say sharkie has no clue about football, you are right with some of your posts mate, but Tuchel is not seen as bad coach. I would go even further to say that Nagelsmann or Flick are not bad coaches as well.
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Nagelsmann and Flick arent bad coaches for sure - I respect them a lot.
Last season Bayern didn't have a striker yes.
Ok then gtank, let me ask you: are Di Matteo and Kovac bad coaches for you?
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I wouldnt call them bad coaches, mediocre maybe. Di Matteo had more "prestige" in his accomplishments than Kovac. Also, Kovac has a more difficult personality, makes him a bit unlikable sometimes. But he won the leage with Bayern and the Cup with both Bayern and Eintracht so its still not as bad.
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On February 15 2024 23:23 sharkie wrote:
Nagelsmann and Flick arent bad coaches for sure - I respect them a lot.
Last season Bayern didn't have a striker yes.
Ok then gtank, let me ask you: are Di Matteo and Kovac bad coaches for you?
Di Matteo inherited a very motivated team full of big characters which almost ran itself. And let’s be real they scraped through a lot of matches. Tommy Tuchs took a struggling, struggling side and turned them around so thoroughly that they managed to win the top prize. Look we’re not privy to what happened behind the scenes, but as an outsider it does look like Di Matteo just kept things ticking over while Tuchel did a proper coaching job.
Kovac I mean not terrible, not a top, top coach but he can do a job at a certain level. But he scraped a Bundesliga with a points per game of exactly 2, Bayern are rolling at almost 2.4 currently, and scoring goals for fun. They’d be comfortably winning most recent editions at the kind of pace they’re showing, just Leverkusen have been exceptional.
I mean Klopp really doesn’t have the trophies to match the performance he’s got out of Liverpool, but he’s still done an excellent job it’s just City are routinely setting the bar around 90 points.
I mean he’s no Klopp but I don’t think it makes Tuchel a bad coach if Bayern don’t win the Bundesliga with a very competitive points total if Leverkusen set some ridiculous bar.
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ok then maybe we all mean the same thing but say different words?
For me there are only good, ok and bad coaches.
You guys use categories like mediocre, not terrible, top and I guess many more
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On February 16 2024 00:54 sharkie wrote:
ok then maybe we all mean the same thing but say different words?
For me there are only good, ok and bad coaches.
You guys use categories like mediocre, not terrible, top and I guess many more
I like to complicate things further by considering coaches and managers as quite different things :p
Football is one of those strange industries where nobody, or vanishingly few ever go down a rung from where they get to in terms of job role. Once you’re a manager/head coach you either stay employed, are on the sidelines waiting for another job, or you retire.
Tuchel has had interpersonal clashes with management at almost every club he’s been at as a head coach. He clearly has some flaws that do have negative impacts there, but equally even if it’s accompanied with the caveat ‘he’s a bit of a dick’ basically all testimony I’ve ever heard about him from people who played under him is he’s a fantastic coach on a technical/tactical level.
As per my rambling previous point he strikes me as somebody who’d actually be better suited to be a ‘number 2’, where he just gets to focus on what he’s best at and isn’t exposed at what he’s bad at. Imagine a Klopp/Tuchel ticket! Klopp’s no tactical dummy himself obviously, I just chose him as a guy who’s kind of if not universally liked, universally respected, very personable and gets on with his bosses. Inspirational to his charges etc.
This is of course a moot point because as I pointed out once you’re a manager/head coach you never take a demotion. Not sure why I went on this tangent really!
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i think youre the only one here categorising tuchel as bad. or whatever other label you can think of that puts him in the lowest rating you got. everyone else thinks of him as at least an a tier coach. s tier being the likes of pep/klopp/ancelotti currently
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Again one has to wonder that Real expect FFP to be watching them.
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Christ I am sick of this particular saga
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On February 16 2024 03:20 WombaT wrote:
Christ I am sick of this particular saga
It's idiotic. I really hope they both get what they deserve, RM standing around with their dick in their hands, while Mbappe goes and plays morally bankrupt ball for a big fat paycheck in Riyadh where none of his achievements mean anything.
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Any idea what PSG is going to do? The whole project seems to be built around Mbabbe and UCL and now Mbabbe is likely leaving and the UCL project seems stagnated.
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How about everyone compiles a list of the managers mentioned in the last 4 pages from good to bad? 
1. Pep
2. Klopp
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123. Klinsmann
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On February 16 2024 06:16 Bacillus wrote:
Any idea what PSG is going to do? The whole project seems to be built around Mbabbe and UCL and now Mbabbe is likely leaving and the UCL project seems stagnated.
their ucl project with mbappe has already failed. i think they've come to terms with that. they had neymar messi and mbappe and couldnt do anything in the ucl. They better focus on building a team with less stars but with better synergy.
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On February 16 2024 19:19 Harris1st wrote:How about everyone compiles a list of the managers mentioned in the last 4 pages from good to bad? 1. Pep 2. Klopp ... 123. Klinsmann End
we just fired the guy. yay us!!
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On February 16 2024 19:19 Harris1st wrote:How about everyone compiles a list of the managers mentioned in the last 4 pages from good to bad? 1. Pep 2. Klopp ... 123. Klinsmann End
Mancini should be at the bottom somewhere too for leaving during PKs lol
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On February 17 2024 02:44 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2024 19:19 Harris1st wrote:How about everyone compiles a list of the managers mentioned in the last 4 pages from good to bad? 1. Pep 2. Klopp ... 123. Klinsmann End Mancini should be at the bottom somewhere too for leaving during PKs lol
What’d I miss?
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On February 17 2024 07:44 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2024 02:44 FlaShFTW wrote:On February 16 2024 19:19 Harris1st wrote:How about everyone compiles a list of the managers mentioned in the last 4 pages from good to bad? 1. Pep 2. Klopp ... 123. Klinsmann End Mancini should be at the bottom somewhere too for leaving during PKs lol What’d I miss?
Not sure about this particular case but some managers are supersticious to the point that they dont want to see PKs on the field and go to the locker room just as the PKs start.
Not sure if that is Mancini's case as well
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