EPT2023 - 2024 Football Thread - Page 68
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GTR
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Harris1st
Germany7195 Posts
Tommy Tuchs to Barca next season Hansi Flick to Bayern next season for 1 year (plus option?/ then Kloppo?) Alonso to Liverpool (obviously) | ||
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Bacillus
Finland2048 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
 I expected him to be bad but not that bad | ||
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GTR
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
Come on where are the Tuchel fans :D | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
If you got such good coaches at your club and they fail (only won the league because Dortmund is such a joke of a club, still pissed) you have to look past the manager and check the whole structure. They fired Brazzo and Kahn for a reason but what really improved after this? | ||
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Harris1st
Germany7195 Posts
On February 15 2024 17:49 gTank wrote: I would argue that its not a Tuchel issue but there are too many "mia san mia" egos at Bayern, especially when looking at people like Kimmich or Sane. I dont know much about this club though, maybe internally its not as bad as I am suggesting. If you got such good coaches at your club and they fail (only won the league because Dortmund is such a joke of a club, still pissed) you have to look past the manager and check the whole structure. They fired Brazzo and Kahn for a reason but what really improved after this? In Tuchels defense I can only argue that he didn't get any of the transfers he wanted last summer. This Bayern team is extremly thin. Also Tuchel is historically bad at PR and saying the wrong stuff but I don't think he is necessarily a bad manager. Still far from a really good manager though. An exit this early from CL may as well be an exit from Tuchel. This coupled with the way Bayern plays at the moment (still winning most games but in a ragtag kinda way, not aestheticallypleasing at all) is probably enough to pull the plug early | ||
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DropBear
Australia4400 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26766 Posts
Not that he’s faultless in other areas, but if he has one particularly notable flaw it’s that he doesn’t ’manage upwards’ well at all. As already mentioned, and if you’re not good at that Bayern, with a whole coterie of club legends who are openly opinionated in high level positions probably isn’t ideal. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28796 Posts
CL group stage was also fine, can't complain getting 16/18 points from that. Yesterday they were the better team but lost. Now they lost two games in a row, earlier this season they had 17 league/cl games in a row where they went 14-3-0. If they get knocked out by Lazio that's a blow, sure, but so far the season has been 'about average for Bayern', which is 'very solid'. Tuchel's people skills with upper management can fairly be questioned but eh. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On February 15 2024 20:41 Liquid`Drone wrote: Their bundesliga results have been fine. They still have a higher average point per game this season than they've had for the past 10 years combined, and they won all those 10 seasons. +37 goal difference is also the third highest out of the top 5 leagues (behind Inter and Leverkusen). CL group stage was also fine, can't complain getting 16/18 points from that. Yesterday they were the better team but lost. Now they lost two games in a row, earlier this season they had 17 league/cl games in a row where they went 14-3-0. If they get knocked out by Lazio that's a blow, sure, but so far the season has been 'about average for Bayern', which is 'very solid'. Tuchel's people skills with upper management can fairly be questioned but eh. How is a team with 0 shots on target the "better team"? | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
On February 15 2024 21:27 sharkie wrote: How is a team with 0 shots on target the "better team"? How is a bad coach winning the champions league? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
On February 15 2024 21:32 gTank wrote: How is a bad coach winning the champions league? Luck. Ask Di Matteo | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8860 Posts
before you say the minimum requirement is tuchel is winning the cl with bayern, keep in mind that pep took 10 years to win the cl again despite his teams being considered strong contenders and/or favourites for at least around 7 seasons, and obviously no one here is going to argue that pep is a bad coach. | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
Sure buddy XD | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
For Tuchel to convince me he is a good coach he would have needed to actually improve this Bayern team. Hes playing worse football than Nagelsmann but has gotten way better personnel. He would also need to admit when hes doing mistakes. Play people based on their performances and not his hidden personal motivation (Tel would have really deserved a start the first half of the season, Goretzka was never a contender for CM till Leipzig totally destroyed him in the super cup, no way De Ligt deserves to be choice 4 behind Dier, etc...) Hes made Mousiala worse, Tel worse and no one has become better. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
Are you calling Di Matteo a good coach??? | ||
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gTank
Austria2610 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18635 Posts
Sheesh. When Tuchel gets fired even though they performed well in the league then its still only in my head? | ||
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