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On February 08 2024 00:16 DropBear wrote:The Messi malarkey in Hong Kong and Japan has been vastly amusing to follow. Such a disproportionate response. I laughed hardest at the local government demanding an explanation for why he didn't play through a hamstring injury for the sake of a worthless exhibition match  I don't like Messi and don't normally feel sorry for him but getting booed for being injured is utterly ridiculous
from what ive gathered the issue arose from the fact that the event organisers were guaranteed that messi would appear and this fact was relayed to ticket holders. therefore all purchases were made on the basis that fans would get to see messi play, and a no-show would put huge liability on the organisers for failing to deliver on the promise that messi would appear. an injury to messi doesnt seem to waive the obligation to have him appear. theres no consolation for the ticket holders because they sure as hell werent gonna buy a ticket to an inter miami game to watch some random american players.
a similar situation happened with ronaldo in korea a number of years ago during juventus' pre season. the organisers were sued and they eventually went bankrupt.
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On February 08 2024 10:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2024 00:16 DropBear wrote:The Messi malarkey in Hong Kong and Japan has been vastly amusing to follow. Such a disproportionate response. I laughed hardest at the local government demanding an explanation for why he didn't play through a hamstring injury for the sake of a worthless exhibition match I don't like Messi and don't normally feel sorry for him but getting booed for being injured is utterly ridiculous from what ive gathered the issue arose from the fact that the event organisers were guaranteed that messi would appear and this fact was relayed to ticket holders. therefore all purchases were made on the basis that fans would get to see messi play, and a no-show would put huge liability on the organisers for failing to deliver on the promise that messi would appear. an injury to messi doesnt seem to waive the obligation to have him appear. theres no consolation for the ticket holders because they sure as hell werent gonna buy a ticket to an inter miami game to watch some random american players. a similar situation happened with ronaldo in korea a number of years ago during juventus' pre season. the organisers were sued and they eventually went bankrupt.
How can you possibly guarantee that someone will play months in advance? Surely it's not reasonable for anyone to rely on such a guarantee. Tough to be a promoter I guess
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On February 08 2024 14:44 DropBear wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2024 10:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 08 2024 00:16 DropBear wrote:The Messi malarkey in Hong Kong and Japan has been vastly amusing to follow. Such a disproportionate response. I laughed hardest at the local government demanding an explanation for why he didn't play through a hamstring injury for the sake of a worthless exhibition match I don't like Messi and don't normally feel sorry for him but getting booed for being injured is utterly ridiculous from what ive gathered the issue arose from the fact that the event organisers were guaranteed that messi would appear and this fact was relayed to ticket holders. therefore all purchases were made on the basis that fans would get to see messi play, and a no-show would put huge liability on the organisers for failing to deliver on the promise that messi would appear. an injury to messi doesnt seem to waive the obligation to have him appear. theres no consolation for the ticket holders because they sure as hell werent gonna buy a ticket to an inter miami game to watch some random american players. a similar situation happened with ronaldo in korea a number of years ago during juventus' pre season. the organisers were sued and they eventually went bankrupt. How can you possibly guarantee that someone will play months in advance? Surely it's not reasonable for anyone to rely on such a guarantee. Tough to be a promoter I guess
Its a fairly common thing for these asia tours, specially for Cronaldo and Messi (moreso even for Cronaldo). Teams get a boatload of money but the contract states that player xyz has to play at least x minutes. Non Messi or Cronaldo things would state something that x% of starter team must make an appearance. This was true as well in the US a few years ago.
Didnt his al nasr games from last month in China get postponed because he had a small injury? Same thing. At their age its a bigger gamble.
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On February 08 2024 16:20 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2024 14:44 DropBear wrote:On February 08 2024 10:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On February 08 2024 00:16 DropBear wrote:The Messi malarkey in Hong Kong and Japan has been vastly amusing to follow. Such a disproportionate response. I laughed hardest at the local government demanding an explanation for why he didn't play through a hamstring injury for the sake of a worthless exhibition match I don't like Messi and don't normally feel sorry for him but getting booed for being injured is utterly ridiculous from what ive gathered the issue arose from the fact that the event organisers were guaranteed that messi would appear and this fact was relayed to ticket holders. therefore all purchases were made on the basis that fans would get to see messi play, and a no-show would put huge liability on the organisers for failing to deliver on the promise that messi would appear. an injury to messi doesnt seem to waive the obligation to have him appear. theres no consolation for the ticket holders because they sure as hell werent gonna buy a ticket to an inter miami game to watch some random american players. a similar situation happened with ronaldo in korea a number of years ago during juventus' pre season. the organisers were sued and they eventually went bankrupt. How can you possibly guarantee that someone will play months in advance? Surely it's not reasonable for anyone to rely on such a guarantee. Tough to be a promoter I guess Its a fairly common thing for these asia tours, specially for Cronaldo and Messi (moreso even for Cronaldo). Teams get a boatload of money but the contract states that player xyz has to play at least x minutes. Non Messi or Cronaldo things would state something that x% of starter team must make an appearance. This was true as well in the US a few years ago. Didnt his al nasr games from last month in China get postponed because he had a small injury? Same thing. At their age its a bigger gamble.
Makes sense too, imho. You come to Barcelona to see Barça play, even if Messi wasn't there, it was still an amazing team and the home game atmosphere is great: it's a spectacle no matter who is playing. However, a friendly game of Inter Miami vs .. someone, in Hong Kong? Nobody cares about the other 21 players on the field. People bought tickets to see Messi play. It shouldn't be seen as a football game, but as an entertainment event. You'd be pissed off too if you bought tickets for Beyonce, but instead all you got were the backup dancers...
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On February 08 2024 01:24 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 07 2024 18:55 Harris1st wrote:On February 07 2024 06:45 sharkie wrote:
Leverkusen vs Stuttgart - the best German football has to offer atm What a game! I'd argue it was not just the best German football has to offer but it was an outstanding performance from both teams that European football in general has to offer. But I'm unsure if it was wise for Leverkusen to play that game at the limit. They have to play Bayern on Saturday and if they lose this, they lose the league. When you see so many Germans on the pitch giving it their all you have to wonder if not the wrong Germans are playing for the national team... I really hope hoeness will confirm this season in the years to come!
I'm really impressed by Wirtz. That kid is going places.
Some Stuttgartes also played really well and I think at least Undav and Anton should get a invite for the German national team friendlies in spring
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I thought Undav already is invited? Definitely deserves it, also Wirtz but at the same position as at Stuttgard.
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Undav must have priority to Füllkrug for Germany. He scores same amount of goals PLUS is integrated into the whole play. Füllkrug is pure goals and thats it... And yeah Anton needs at least one start in the friendlies to show if he should be a candidate
Wirtz is definitely world class. Götze type of generational talent
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i thought wirtz would be behind on the development stage given he tore his ACL two years ago but wow he's exceeded all expectations
also speaking of world class talent, did moukoko's development just stall ever since haaland left? or was his talent exaggerated because he was just bigger and faster than everyone at the younger age groups and now that he's playing senior football, is being exposed.
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On February 08 2024 20:25 GTR wrote:
i thought wirtz would be behind on the development stage given he tore his ACL two years ago but wow he's exceeded all expectations
also speaking of world class talent, did moukoko's development just stall ever since haaland left? or was his talent exaggerated because he was just bigger and faster than everyone at the younger age groups and now that he's playing senior football, is being exposed.
Moukoko has had bad luck with injuries. And the last few weeks both Reus and Brandt are missing so Dortmund are creating almost no chances. Even the games where they scored there were quite few penalties. Moukoko just needs more playtime
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On February 08 2024 21:14 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2024 20:25 GTR wrote:
i thought wirtz would be behind on the development stage given he tore his ACL two years ago but wow he's exceeded all expectations
also speaking of world class talent, did moukoko's development just stall ever since haaland left? or was his talent exaggerated because he was just bigger and faster than everyone at the younger age groups and now that he's playing senior football, is being exposed. Moukoko has had bad luck with injuries. And the last few weeks both Reus and Brandt are missing so Dortmund are creating almost no chances. Even the games where they scored there were quite few penalties. Moukoko just needs more playtime
Definitely quite a bit fallen behind compared to Wirtz / Musiala.
Also I feel Dortmund as a whole is in a bit of a slump ever since losing the league to Bayern last season
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On February 08 2024 21:34 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On February 08 2024 21:14 sharkie wrote:On February 08 2024 20:25 GTR wrote:
i thought wirtz would be behind on the development stage given he tore his ACL two years ago but wow he's exceeded all expectations
also speaking of world class talent, did moukoko's development just stall ever since haaland left? or was his talent exaggerated because he was just bigger and faster than everyone at the younger age groups and now that he's playing senior football, is being exposed. Moukoko has had bad luck with injuries. And the last few weeks both Reus and Brandt are missing so Dortmund are creating almost no chances. Even the games where they scored there were quite few penalties. Moukoko just needs more playtime Definitely quite a bit fallen behind compared to Wirtz / Musiala. Also I feel Dortmund as a whole is in a bit of a slump ever since losing the league to Bayern last season
Yeah Dortmund hat a huge psychological hit with losing the league on the last minutes last season
And then their two of their best players left: Bellingham and Gueirro
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Lol at Leverkusen vs Bayern lineup
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Well well, we might get a new German Champion after all!
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Yeah 5 point lead, Bayern looked so toothless, dominated the ball but literally created nothing, Leverkusen countered perfectly and won the game deservedly so lol. Mad!
Was hoping to see more ball play from Leverkusen personally to see what Xabi style is, to see if it can transfer to Liverpool etc but that was just a classic good solid counter attack game plan to beat a team that is used to possession and on paper is "better".
Will Leverkusen throw harder than last years dortmund or will they break all the records!
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Season is still long! But wow Tuchel has made Bayern such a bad side. They won more games than last year (all due to having Kane as a striker) but their performances have been so bad
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On February 11 2024 05:24 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah 5 point lead, Bayern looked so toothless, dominated the ball but literally created nothing, Leverkusen countered perfectly and won the game deservedly so lol. Mad!
The stats I'm looking at show xG 1.76 - 0.27. That's inexcusably low for Bayern in any kind of important game where they're down by a goal at 20 minutes.
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you can take the man out of tottenham but you cant take tottenham out of the man.
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On February 11 2024 11:57 evilfatsh1t wrote:
you can take the man out of tottenham but you cant take tottenham out of the man.
Well bayern is due to lose someday but it will be priceless if it is this year when Kane joins :D
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