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On January 30 2024 04:38 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job  Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him. You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter. You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well. Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement.
If they want Xabi, they shouldn't wait. Real wants him as well.
Liverpool has a working squad right now and you don't want some other coach fugg that up before you bring in the coach you actually want.
In Barca there are a lot of names thrown around right now: Hansi Flick (available), Nagelsmann (contracted till summer 24), Luis Enrique (contract till summer 25) or even Pep (contract till sumer 25) and obviously Kloppo.
Barca would be the kind of project that Klopp wants, minus the pause
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Agreed, stop gap manager is just a terrible idea imo. Get Xabi now and give him some time. Frequent changes of managers is a curse.
I saw Marca suggest Kjetil Knudsen as one of their 3 candidates. Guy is great but Liverpool sounds kinda.. big. xD
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On January 30 2024 17:54 Harris1st wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 04:38 Pandemona wrote:On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him. You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter. You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well. Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement. If they want Xabi, they shouldn't wait. Real wants him as well. Liverpool has a working squad right now and you don't want some other coach fugg that up before you bring in the coach you actually want. In Barca there are a lot of names thrown around right now: Hansi Flick (available), Nagelsmann (contracted till summer 24), Luis Enrique (contract till summer 25) or even Pep (contract till sumer 25) and obviously Kloppo. Barca would be the kind of project that Klopp wants, minus the pause
If Klopp's reason for leaving Liverpool is being tired, he's gonna be exhausted at Barca and leave after a season lol. The criticism that those managers get is incredible, though I do think it would be a great project for him to work on. Personally, I think that Klopp is gonna take a break for a year, then return to coach the Germany national team for the 2026 WC and maybe another few years after that.
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On January 30 2024 05:58 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 04:38 Pandemona wrote:On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him. You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter. You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well. Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement. Brighton have had a lot of challenges this season with injuries, key player pieces leaving (even if they are replaced, their counterparts are not as good as Macca/Caicedo), and also having to deal with European football schedule. It's the same as Newcastle, who are struggling with fitness with the added Champion's League schedule. There are very few teams that can actually shrug off European football and stay fit/avoid injury crisis (only Liverpool and Man City for PL) so it's expected for them to do worse this season. I think this is a little harsh criticism for De Zerbi. I also think that if you want to go for Xabi now, you have to go for him and not have a stop gap manager. Plus, with VVD, Salah, and Trent all with contract renewals, the club needs to give them assurance that we're not just getting a temporary manager to wait for Xabi to come in 2-3 years. It has to be now. I would take the risk if I were Liverpool, even if he's not quite "proven" yet.
You answered your own question there for me with the Van Dijk, Salah and Trent argument. If Xabi comes in, he will need a lot of time, 2 of those 3 players are past 30. Maybe Salah and Van Dijk leave if someone like Xabi comes in, knowing will take him 12-18 months to get going or maybe even flop in that time. Rather than if they get a well known coach who is very experienced they would stay. Huge time for Liverpool, they have to get it right, or they need cash in on Van Dijk and Salah and really give Xabi 2-3 years to build back.
Didn't Ancelotti re sign for Real though and Brazil got a new national team coach so there was no "out" for Ancelotti. So Real Madrid job might not be open anytime soon either, but yes i heard they were looking into Alonso as well.
I hope Xabi works out as i like the guy, but i dont think he will, way too inexperienced and the two stars of Liverpool are past 30 in Van Dijk and Salah. He will need to restart and then that makes the job 10x as hard.
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Mo Salah is a really fit guy though I can see him play world class till 36
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Oh wow Luton smashed Brighton, wow, are they going to survive.
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On January 31 2024 04:27 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 05:58 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 30 2024 04:38 Pandemona wrote:On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him. You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter. You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well. Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement. Brighton have had a lot of challenges this season with injuries, key player pieces leaving (even if they are replaced, their counterparts are not as good as Macca/Caicedo), and also having to deal with European football schedule. It's the same as Newcastle, who are struggling with fitness with the added Champion's League schedule. There are very few teams that can actually shrug off European football and stay fit/avoid injury crisis (only Liverpool and Man City for PL) so it's expected for them to do worse this season. I think this is a little harsh criticism for De Zerbi. I also think that if you want to go for Xabi now, you have to go for him and not have a stop gap manager. Plus, with VVD, Salah, and Trent all with contract renewals, the club needs to give them assurance that we're not just getting a temporary manager to wait for Xabi to come in 2-3 years. It has to be now. I would take the risk if I were Liverpool, even if he's not quite "proven" yet. You answered your own question there for me with the Van Dijk, Salah and Trent argument. If Xabi comes in, he will need a lot of time, 2 of those 3 players are past 30. Maybe Salah and Van Dijk leave if someone like Xabi comes in, knowing will take him 12-18 months to get going or maybe even flop in that time. Rather than if they get a well known coach who is very experienced they would stay. Huge time for Liverpool, they have to get it right, or they need cash in on Van Dijk and Salah and really give Xabi 2-3 years to build back.
Didn't Ancelotti re sign for Real though and Brazil got a new national team coach so there was no "out" for Ancelotti. So Real Madrid job might not be open anytime soon either, but yes i heard they were looking into Alonso as well. I hope Xabi works out as i like the guy, but i dont think he will, way too inexperienced and the two stars of Liverpool are past 30 in Van Dijk and Salah. He will need to restart and then that makes the job 10x as hard.
I think they would trust Xabi. And honestly, even if Salah and VVD leave, our academy and signings would be simple to fill their roles. We already have Quansah as a VVD regen, and we're heavily linked to Kubo right now for RW to potentially be Salah's replacement. Obviously, losing the two is not ideal, but it's not like the team is being blown up in that instance. We would surely shop very heavily for more CBs on the market, and if Xabi continues to play 3-4-2-1, I think that Szobo could fill in for Salah as the right side 10, while Diaz/Gakpo come in as the left sided 10. Outside of CBs, we don't need to retool the roster quite as much if Xabi brings his system with him.
On January 31 2024 07:01 Pandemona wrote:
Oh wow Luton smashed Brighton, wow, are they going to survive.
Yeah shocking result but honestly Luton at home have been a very competitive side (tied with us, almost tied with Arsenal). I'm excited for Luton vs City in the FA Cup.
Also kneejerk/joking reaction: I don't want De Zerbi anymore LOL
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meanwhile in the asian cup, klinsmann's incompetency somehow scrapes korea through against saudi arabia on penalties - mancini walks down the tunnel before the game even finishes lmao
https://streamin.one/v/4cb9699b
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On January 31 2024 04:27 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 05:58 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 30 2024 04:38 Pandemona wrote:On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him. You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter. You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well. Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement. Brighton have had a lot of challenges this season with injuries, key player pieces leaving (even if they are replaced, their counterparts are not as good as Macca/Caicedo), and also having to deal with European football schedule. It's the same as Newcastle, who are struggling with fitness with the added Champion's League schedule. There are very few teams that can actually shrug off European football and stay fit/avoid injury crisis (only Liverpool and Man City for PL) so it's expected for them to do worse this season. I think this is a little harsh criticism for De Zerbi. I also think that if you want to go for Xabi now, you have to go for him and not have a stop gap manager. Plus, with VVD, Salah, and Trent all with contract renewals, the club needs to give them assurance that we're not just getting a temporary manager to wait for Xabi to come in 2-3 years. It has to be now. I would take the risk if I were Liverpool, even if he's not quite "proven" yet. You answered your own question there for me with the Van Dijk, Salah and Trent argument. If Xabi comes in, he will need a lot of time, 2 of those 3 players are past 30. Maybe Salah and Van Dijk leave if someone like Xabi comes in, knowing will take him 12-18 months to get going or maybe even flop in that time. Rather than if they get a well known coach who is very experienced they would stay. Huge time for Liverpool, they have to get it right, or they need cash in on Van Dijk and Salah and really give Xabi 2-3 years to build back.
Didn't Ancelotti re sign for Real though and Brazil got a new national team coach so there was no "out" for Ancelotti. So Real Madrid job might not be open anytime soon either, but yes i heard they were looking into Alonso as well. I hope Xabi works out as i like the guy, but i dont think he will, way too inexperienced and the two stars of Liverpool are past 30 in Van Dijk and Salah. He will need to restart and then that makes the job 10x as hard.
On the flip side Liverpool refreshed their whole midfield over the summer and that’s clicked quicker than many of us anticipated.
Van Dijk should have a good few years at the top, they’ve got a bunch of players in or approaching their prime years like TAA, Robertson, Jota and they’ve got younger, still raw but ever-improving players like Nunez and Elliot. That’s a decent job to run into, the club seems well-run with recruitment and the coach generally pulling to a cohesive plan, the only downside is the shadow of Klopp.
Unlike Ferguson, whose last side was clearly assembled to win him a last league in the short term, and didn’t bequeath his successor with much of an inheritance (and I feel, even if it’s mild he doesn’t get criticised enough for this), Klopp’s handing over a team that’s still competing at the top, and with some refreshing and rebuilding work already done.
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Oh God we've signed Gio Reyna.
Here come hordes of psychotic American fans demanding that he plays every game and insulting all of our other players whenever he doesn't play well.
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On January 31 2024 07:01 Pandemona wrote:
Oh wow Luton smashed Brighton, wow, are they going to survive.
It was the first game with Tom Lockyer back in Kenilworth Road. They were always going to play extra hard.
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On January 31 2024 09:36 GTR wrote:meanwhile in the asian cup, klinsmann's incompetency somehow scrapes korea through against saudi arabia on penalties - mancini walks down the tunnel before the game even finishes lmao https://streamin.one/v/4cb9699b
Saudi Arabia is one of the strongest Asian countries
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Yeah that was weird. In the FIFA rankings, South Korea is ranked as #3 for the AFC and Saudi Arabia as #5. It is not so unusual for them to defeat South Korea, they have a similar head to head record.
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On February 01 2024 04:03 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On January 31 2024 09:36 GTR wrote:meanwhile in the asian cup, klinsmann's incompetency somehow scrapes korea through against saudi arabia on penalties - mancini walks down the tunnel before the game even finishes lmao https://streamin.one/v/4cb9699b Saudi Arabia is one of the strongest Asian countries
Yeah but this Korea team is strong enough they shouldn't have looked as bad as they did in this match until the last 70 minutes after Mancini disasterclass throwing away the game by trying to park the bus. Klinsman's tactics are terrible, 0 support for the wingers and no progression from the midfield to the front 3. It's either hope a through ball gets to Son, or wait for a winger to beat their man 1v1.
Only after the 70th minute, either he finally just said, fuck it do whatever, the Korean team stopped listening to him, or Korea got more space to operate because of SA parking the bus, or a combination of the above. Whatever happened, Korea finally overloaded the wings to allow for dangerous crosses into the box where they finally got their chance to equalize after a masterclass performance from the SA keeper.
Iran barely scrape by Syria, but no Terami for Japan means their attack will look very shaky. Don't expect them to advance. Meanwhile, Korea are going to be in serious trouble against Australia who are going to have 2 extra days and no extra time advantage.
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Unlike Ferguson, whose last side was clearly assembled to win him a last league in the short term, and didn’t bequeath his successor with much of an inheritance (and I feel, even if it’s mild he doesn’t get criticised enough for this)
I don't think that's true at all. Only one of his final season signings could be described as being brought in to win the league in the short term, and even that's a stretch given that Van Persie was only 29 at the time.
For his final season, Ferguson signed Van Persie, Kagawa, Buttner, and Zaha for the first team, as well as bringing in some youth prospects. That Van Persie declined much faster than you'd expect, and that Kagawa and Zaha didn't produce the form they'd shown at their previous clubs, can't really be blamed on Ferguson. I don't know what he was thinking with Buttner though!
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On February 01 2024 01:39 Jockmcplop wrote:
Oh God we've signed Gio Reyna.
Here come hordes of psychotic American fans demanding that he plays every game and insulting all of our other players whenever he doesn't play well.
It is just until summer, then he's back at Dortmund where he has a contract till '26
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news flash: mainoo is god.
also onana continues to be useless.
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holy shit mainoos last minute winner was insane
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lingard moving to fc seoul? wtf????????
i dont have any sympathy for him but wow hes fallen far
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On February 01 2024 05:06 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2024 04:03 sharkie wrote:On January 31 2024 09:36 GTR wrote:meanwhile in the asian cup, klinsmann's incompetency somehow scrapes korea through against saudi arabia on penalties - mancini walks down the tunnel before the game even finishes lmao https://streamin.one/v/4cb9699b Saudi Arabia is one of the strongest Asian countries Yeah but this Korea team is strong enough they shouldn't have looked as bad as they did in this match until the last 70 minutes after Mancini disasterclass throwing away the game by trying to park the bus. Klinsman's tactics are terrible, 0 support for the wingers and no progression from the midfield to the front 3. It's either hope a through ball gets to Son, or wait for a winger to beat their man 1v1. Only after the 70th minute, either he finally just said, fuck it do whatever, the Korean team stopped listening to him, or Korea got more space to operate because of SA parking the bus, or a combination of the above. Whatever happened, Korea finally overloaded the wings to allow for dangerous crosses into the box where they finally got their chance to equalize after a masterclass performance from the SA keeper. Iran barely scrape by Syria, but no Terami for Japan means their attack will look very shaky. Don't expect them to advance. Meanwhile, Korea are going to be in serious trouble against Australia who are going to have 2 extra days and no extra time advantage.
well they beat australia :D
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