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Norway28894 Posts
Ya, I'm not a fan of seeing him go tbh. Last season was an impressive showing - they were actually close to breaking the 'best defense of the past x decades in any top european division' record, until they conceded 9 in the final 5 matches after having won the league. (Bringing their total conceded to 20).
I think there's a ton of random volatility deciding how one single season ends up, and even more if you're evaluating the season when it's 55% done. I get it if a team like Barcelona is in 12th place in La Liga and knocked out of CL midway through, but now, they're still in CL, out of the title race but still top 4 in La Liga, coming off a solid previous season. Would at least have liked him to get to lead them until summer, then make a more focused decision when it's clear where they're gonna end up.
But I guess I'm generally out of sync with the people in charge of making managerial decisions for top clubs. xd.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Xavi has had funds generated for him to buy players with, he has bought players and not even used them, Raphina he turned from a fantastic winger in the prem to utter rubbish. Got in Lewa and made him look like Lukaku. Gundogan looks a shadow of himself, Cancelo has been medicore. The only plus for him is Felix looks ok, but he is crazy money as well.
This Barca team ofc no where near the Pep era, it wont ever be, that team was a one in a million it seems, but it hardly is crap and he had money to build something better than what he is producing.
The Raphina saga still pisses me off today lol, they were robbing all our targets xD
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Just get rid of VAR. It's a fucking joke.
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On January 29 2024 18:50 MJG wrote:Just get rid of VAR. It's a fucking joke.
No, if anything, we need more VAR. Leaving the fate of a football match (with millions on the line) in the hands of 1 person with incomplete vision will ensure outcomes are somewhat random. The game is faster and trickier to ref than ever. Install 5 VARs and have them press green or red within 10 seconds, majority counts. And let teams appeal 1 or 2 times per match. The referee is currently under too much pressure (also from the crowd), so he shouldn't be making all the decisions by himself.
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Yes, I really hope this means we get challenges per team.
Once coaches have the possibilities for challenges NO ONE can complain anymore. You really think this was a ref mistake? Well call it then
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Northern Ireland27381 Posts
On January 29 2024 19:25 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2024 18:50 MJG wrote:Just get rid of VAR. It's a fucking joke. No, if anything, we need more VAR. Leaving the fate of a football match (with millions on the line) in the hands of 1 person with incomplete vision will ensure outcomes are somewhat random. The game is faster and trickier to ref than ever. Install 5 VARs and have them press green or red within 10 seconds, majority counts. And let teams appeal 1 or 2 times per match. The referee is currently under too much pressure (also from the crowd), so he shouldn't be making all the decisions by himself.
In a multi-billion industry it shouldn’t be that complicated to make work, it really shouldn’t. Your idea alone seems like it would be an improvement, maybe make it 20 seconds for a tricky one but yeah. Have a (collective rather than individual) statement explaining a particular decision if it’s contentious
Or fans can just learn to deal with mistakes and stop moaning so much. I do think VAR was brought in more to mitigate decisions of large economic consequence than to placate fans, but I don’t think the latter had no influence.
Many of the same fans moaning about VAR were the ones advocating it being introduced in the first place.
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It would help it if they had professional refs, full time and dedicated to improve instead of what we have right now.
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On January 29 2024 19:25 aseq wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2024 18:50 MJG wrote:Just get rid of VAR. It's a fucking joke. No, if anything, we need more VAR. Leaving the fate of a football match (with millions on the line) in the hands of 1 person with incomplete vision will ensure outcomes are somewhat random. The game is faster and trickier to ref than ever. Install 5 VARs and have them press green or red within 10 seconds, majority counts. And let teams appeal 1 or 2 times per match. The referee is currently under too much pressure (also from the crowd), so he shouldn't be making all the decisions by himself.
If it can't be seamlessly automated (like goal-line technology) then it shouldn't be used.
VAR is sucking the emotion and passion out of football.
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I doubt that VAR is sucking the emotion and passion out of football more than stupid and wrong decisions would.
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On January 29 2024 21:47 gTank wrote:
I doubt that VAR is sucking the emotion and passion out of football more than stupid and wrong decisions would.
There have been plenty of stupid and wrong decisions since the laws of the game were first codified, but there has never been a lack of emotion.
The problem these days is that you can't even properly celebrate a goal until you've waited to see if VAR decides that it should be disallowed because someone's toenail was offside, because the game should be pulled back for a slight tug of a shirt in the build-up that happened minutes prior, or because the ball grazed someone's hand after being kicked at them from half a yard away. Following this ruling in Belgium, it seems you can't even celebrate winning a game until weeks later because it might get replayed on a technicality.
It's a complete and utter farce.
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Emotion and passion is all fine and good till you lose a champions league final or a league title or a world cup final by one mistake
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Meticulously analysing every second of a game to weed out refereeing mistakes is all fine and good until nobody bothers turning up to games because they aren't fun to watch anymore.
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Norway28894 Posts
I don't think that latter is happening but the former has. If you can show that viewership has decreased after VAR-implementation then sure..
That said it's important that var decisions don't take too long and there are examples where it hasn't been executed well. But I think the 'give each team 1-2 challenges per match' idea is a good one. Part of the problem is that some decisions are up for interpretation no matter how you slice it. For offsides I think VAR is purely good - even the times where it takes 2 minutes to get it right, that is still preferable to getting it wrong.
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On January 29 2024 22:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I don't think that latter is happening but the former has. If you can show that viewership has decreased after VAR-implementation then sure.
People aren't going to keep viewing games that most believe have become less enjoyable due to VAR.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1094041/influence-of-var-on-the-enjoyment-of-english-premier-league-football-matches-by-age/
"... within all age groups, the greatest share of respondents indicated that Premier League matches have become less enjoyable to watch since VAR was introduced."
Anecdotally, it was wonderful watching a VAR-less weekend of FA Cup football were I was able to live in the moment, even if United did their best to give me a heart attack.
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On January 29 2024 23:34 MJG wrote:Show nested quote +On January 29 2024 22:55 Liquid`Drone wrote:
I don't think that latter is happening but the former has. If you can show that viewership has decreased after VAR-implementation then sure. People aren't going to keep viewing games that most believe have become less enjoyable due to VAR. https://www.statista.com/statistics/1094041/influence-of-var-on-the-enjoyment-of-english-premier-league-football-matches-by-age/"... within all age groups, the greatest share of respondents indicated that Premier League matches have become less enjoyable to watch since VAR was introduced."Anecdotally, it was wonderful watching a VAR-less weekend of FA Cup football were I was able to live in the moment, even if United did their best to give me a heart attack.
Is that a PL thing? Because by all accounts PL has a pretty awful implementation of VAR. I have not been bothered by VAR implementation in La Liga, european leagues or the world cup. The VAR decisions can still be funky, but its implementation seems unproblematic.
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United States10563 Posts
On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job  Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess.
Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well.
Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone).
Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him.
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On January 29 2024 05:16 Liquid`Drone wrote:points per game he's the second worst since rijkard? Show nested quote +
During his time in charge of Barcelona, Xavi has managed 122 matches with a 76-20-26 record, averaging 2.03 points per match in all competitions
(just google) His previous La Liga season was solid. I'm also not saying he's a poor manager - he's also the only one of these managers who didn't have Messi. But his average point per game is, by Barcelona standards, poor.
Barcelona existed before Rijkaard. The decade from 2008-2018 was exceptional even for Barça. Calling a coach terrible because he does not reach that standard is unreasonable. I don't think any coach can bring them to that level except maybe Klopp or Pep.
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Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:Show nested quote +On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him.
You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter.
You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well.
Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement.
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United States10563 Posts
On January 30 2024 04:38 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On January 30 2024 02:35 FlaShFTW wrote:On January 27 2024 07:48 Pandemona wrote:Klopp going at a bad time for Liverpoool too, i feel he has had a health scare or something as it seems a bit sudden. Wish him all the best though, glad he is going (the highest praise i can give!) Wonder which national team he goes too, hope he gets England job Who Liverpool get now is such a massive and huge decision. Alonso is so good right now but he needs more time, he needs another season in champs league to improve again with Leverkusen. De Zerbi is over rated and not good enough for that job. Then it leaves Naglesmann, but depends what happens with the national team in the summer with him. Outside of that my option would be Spaletti as he plays football they would like, but i dont think he wants to do that now as he is older. Thats pretty much the list and its not the best right now considering who they have to replace....unlucky Liverpool i guess. Why is De Zerbi overrated? He's done a fine job with Brighton, even with him losing players left and right due to Brighton's system of selling players when they're hot. He's got immense respect for Klopp and Liverpool, and his system at Brighton would fit right into Liverpool's current system as well. Xabi is the natural go-to, success with Bayer this season plus he's one of our guys. But his current 3 at the back system would clash hard with the current Liverpool roster (especially if VVD choses to leave with Klopp gone). Overall, the day the news broke felt like a massive kick in the gut and the bottom just dropping out from under you. Totally did not see that coming, especially when this season felt like Klopp was rejuvenated with a revamped squad and still on a quadruple charge. Klopp is Liverpool, and Liverpool is Klopp. I will miss him. You are not going to improve if you take De Zerbi, he is being found out quite a lot now, he lost Caicedo and Macalister but they already had the players in as replacements for them. The foundations at Brighton for a coach to come in is amazing and that makes the job so much easier for any coach to look better. Brighton look worse now and there league position shows that, not to say they are not unhappy with it as they are still doing great but he hasn't exactly taken them on compared to Potter. You have 0 expectations at Brighton, the fans are happy as long as it is entertaining which it is i'll admit that, but you go to Liverpool there is expectations of competing for top 4 at bare minimum and the squad justifies that as well. Spaletti is where i would go, until Xabi is ready, give him 1-2-3 more seasons to really cement himself then take him as Spaletti replacement.
Brighton have had a lot of challenges this season with injuries, key player pieces leaving (even if they are replaced, their counterparts are not as good as Macca/Caicedo), and also having to deal with European football schedule. It's the same as Newcastle, who are struggling with fitness with the added Champion's League schedule. There are very few teams that can actually shrug off European football and stay fit/avoid injury crisis (only Liverpool and Man City for PL) so it's expected for them to do worse this season. I think this is a little harsh criticism for De Zerbi.
I also think that if you want to go for Xabi now, you have to go for him and not have a stop gap manager. Plus, with VVD, Salah, and Trent all with contract renewals, the club needs to give them assurance that we're not just getting a temporary manager to wait for Xabi to come in 2-3 years. It has to be now. I would take the risk if I were Liverpool, even if he's not quite "proven" yet.
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