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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On November 23 2023 00:11 FlaShFTW wrote: France, Hungary, Netherlands/Scotland, Italy would be an insane group of death. Yeah these pots dont really look balanced. Essentially teams that got drawn into a strong qualifying group got punished twice, once by having a tougher qualification pathway and then if they qualified, their record likely isnt as good so they ended up in a lower pot for the main tournament. | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Bacillus
Finland1973 Posts
On November 23 2023 06:44 Pandemona wrote: Well whoever gets Germany from pot 1 is laughing lol. Laughing nervously probably. If something clicks and they get back on track, the pendulum could swing the other way quite easily. | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
On November 23 2023 15:00 Bacillus wrote: Laughing nervously probably. If something clicks and they get back on track, the pendulum could swing the other way quite easily. Its unlikely for them to fix all the issues in less than a year. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland1973 Posts
On November 23 2023 16:31 gTank wrote: Its unlikely for them to fix all the issues in less than a year. I haven't seen too many of their games. Is there something really badly broken in there? On paper it still looks like they've got most of the roles nicely covered. I don't think really need to invent anything groundbreaking to be a contender in the tournament, just figure out how to play a bit closer to their usual level. | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
Defense looks shaky in every game, doesnt matter who they play. Also lots of wannabe superstars with huge egos not delivering. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
The problem they have is that the players are not showing any kind of passion. Its like France back then with Domenech | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6975 Posts
On November 23 2023 19:18 sharkie wrote: The problem Germany is having isnt the talent of the players. Füllkrug might not be world class but hes doing the job of scoring goals. The problem they have is that the players are not showing any kind of passion. Its like France back then with Domenech The one game Völler managed was worlds better than anything Nagelsmann or Flick produced in the last 4 years. It's really not the missing talent, it's everything else that's wrong | ||
GTR
51487 Posts
On November 23 2023 18:16 gTank wrote: Their forwards are bad if they need to rely on Füllkrug, even Ducksch got playtime. Defense looks shaky in every game, doesnt matter who they play. Also lots of wannabe superstars with huge egos not delivering. when you're forced to experiment with havertz at left back then something is obviously wrong with the talent pipeline | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On November 24 2023 06:47 GTR wrote: when you're forced to experiment with havertz at left back then something is obviously wrong with the talent pipeline He wasnt forced to, he DECIDED to do that. Germany has Henrichs, a really good full-back and Raum, a pretty good left back. Talent pipeline is all fine in Germany. | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Werner was the big talented forward scoring 40 goals in the league to can't even get back into the Leipzig team. Rudiger is a solid cb who has never really put his domestic appearances into the national team. Ter Stegen one of best keepers i think just doesn't care as he had to play 2nd fiddle to Neuer for too long. Kimmich, Gundogan and Goretzka are all the same player and cant play in the same midfield. Sane was abused by his own fans and im sure he doesn't care as much as he should as well. Gnabry again has fallen off the face of the earth form and talent wise. So then you are left with nothing but inexperienced guys from a league that isn't strong clearly as the talent isn't shown with the national team again. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18481 Posts
On November 24 2023 08:50 Pandemona wrote: Talent pipeline isn't fine in Germany at all. Havertz was the talent, look at him, he doesn't know what position he wants to play and he has gone from a hybrid 9 to a full back??? Werner was the big talented forward scoring 40 goals in the league to can't even get back into the Leipzig team. Rudiger is a solid cb who has never really put his domestic appearances into the national team. Ter Stegen one of best keepers i think just doesn't care as he had to play 2nd fiddle to Neuer for too long. Kimmich, Gundogan and Goretzka are all the same player and cant play in the same midfield. Sane was abused by his own fans and im sure he doesn't care as much as he should as well. Gnabry again has fallen off the face of the earth form and talent wise. So then you are left with nothing but inexperienced guys from a league that isn't strong clearly as the talent isn't shown with the national team again. You dont even mention the most talented players if Germany... Also Goretzka is nowhere close to kimmich | ||
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
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Harris1st
Germany6975 Posts
On November 24 2023 08:50 Pandemona wrote: Talent pipeline isn't fine in Germany at all. Havertz was the talent, look at him, he doesn't know what position he wants to play and he has gone from a hybrid 9 to a full back??? Werner was the big talented forward scoring 40 goals in the league to can't even get back into the Leipzig team. Rudiger is a solid cb who has never really put his domestic appearances into the national team. Ter Stegen one of best keepers i think just doesn't care as he had to play 2nd fiddle to Neuer for too long. Kimmich, Gundogan and Goretzka are all the same player and cant play in the same midfield. Sane was abused by his own fans and im sure he doesn't care as much as he should as well. Gnabry again has fallen off the face of the earth form and talent wise. So then you are left with nothing but inexperienced guys from a league that isn't strong clearly as the talent isn't shown with the national team again. Reminds me of this one guy. What's his name? Lessi? Dessi? Pretty talented guy, but just couldn't bring it in the national squad (which was stacked!) until he reached age 35 when he finally won. On a more serious note: Havertz is a mystery to pretty much every manager he meets. No idea whats blocking him. Werner is pretty troubled with injuries and this also leaves traces mentally Rudiger, no idea. He can play world class. He can play utter dogshit but it's always been this way Ter Stegen for me is top 3 in the world and he plays like it. Not sure what you are getting at Midfield needs some getting used to each other. Nagelsmann will work that out I'm sure Sane + Musiala were off the charts recently. Obviously Austria was bad but I hope that was the exception Gnabry doesn't cut it this season. Not in Munich and not in the national squad. But we have Wirtz who is better anyway so no problem there | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8718 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Ter Stegen point was more that, he is such a world class keeper that he was benched behind Neuer for too long and now when he plays for the national team, again he doesn't perform like he does for Barcelona it feels like. The point on Kimmich Gundogan and Goretzka was more that they are all similar players, not same quality, but similar, they all offer pretty much the same, all box to box midfielders, great players but need a creator and defensive minded player alongside them to look great. | ||
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justanothertownie
16320 Posts
On November 24 2023 20:11 Pandemona wrote: The point on Kimmich Gundogan and Goretzka was more that they are all similar players, not same quality, but similar, they all offer pretty much the same, all box to box midfielders, great players but need a creator and defensive minded player alongside them to look great. I am seriously baffled by that statement. These 3 are very different players. Kimmich and gündogan are also both creators. The only one of those I would classify as box to box midfielder is goretzka. | ||
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