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Norway28600 Posts
why would city be favored by the refs? FA wants City to win? All the refs are bought and paid for by city? Tbh pretty much every neutral is cheering against City at this point.
Pep isn't even a manager who tends to attack them, so the fear angle doesn't make sense either.
The one that does make sense however is that City has all eyes fixed on them so every time they benefit from a mistake it's actually highlighted. Meanwhile I haven't got the slightest clue if Luton has gained anything or been robbed in any way.
Also I just looked at this
and it claims that City was actually the club that lost the most from VAR decisions in the PL last season, and not just that - but they were also most impacted by negative subjective VAR decisions. (so not just offsides).
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Once again Barca pull one of their hat in order to gain a point.
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Northern Ireland24428 Posts
On October 09 2023 05:37 Pandemona wrote:
Its not always City being favoured thats not right, if that was the case Rodri would not have been banned for 3 games and sent off.
You should be happy Arsenal some how won, the game was very poor, reminded me of Benitez vs Mourinho days of a lot of talent on the pitch and everyone to afraid to lose and not trying to win the game, which when you had those two teams on the pitch felt very odd.
Still going into second international break, the league is "wide open".
I am reminded every time a big game is that low quality of Valdano’s classic ‘shit on a stick’ line about Benitez/Mourinho clashes of that era
On October 09 2023 05:53 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2023 05:52 WombaT wrote:On October 09 2023 05:46 sharkie wrote:On October 09 2023 05:37 Pandemona wrote:
Its not always City being favoured thats not right, if that was the case Rodri would not have been banned for 3 games and sent off.
You should be happy Arsenal some how won, the game was very poor, reminded me of Benitez vs Mourinho days of a lot of talent on the pitch and everyone to afraid to lose and not trying to win the game, which when you had those two teams on the pitch felt very odd.
Still going into second international break, the league is "wide open". City being favoured by refs only happened in the two seasons where they won the league vs Liverpool by 1 point each yeah. The same seasons where Liverpool developed the ‘LiVARpool’ nickname? Because VAR fixed bad on-field decisions?
Well no the nickname was based on the perception that VAR fixed a lot of decisions in Liverpool’s favour.
If the perception of fans was that the officials had some sort of bias against BOTH those teams, I mean somebody has to be wrong on at least one of those charges.
How many charges are City currently sitting on from the governing body of the league? But the refs are trying to aid them in the pitch?
The only rigid analysis I saw on the topic found no particular bias in any direction other than both home teams (slightly) and traditional giants in general (very slightly indeed).
The reason respectively hypothesised being as a human it’s kind of hard not to be at least slightly affected by giant crowds, and the second that even if it’s a subconscious thing, making a big call against a big team means your name is mud in the media for a whole week in a way it just isn’t if you screw Burnley over or whoever.
It’s not any kind of intentional, directed conspiracy or anything. And even the stuff I’m alluding to we’re really talking a very small overall swing in those directions.
Refs aren’t androids, humans are just naturally susceptible to a million types of small biases in their decision-making processes.
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Thats what VAR was brought in for no? Having neutral objective decisions that are not being swayed by giant crowds.
And yeah Brighton was screwed a lot last season, they just arent big enough. But they were screwed against smaller teams too
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On October 08 2023 14:42 Hildegard wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2023 01:21 DropBear wrote:On October 01 2023 00:27 Hildegard wrote:
Watching my home team, VfB Stuttgart, this season is a lot of fun. We were nearly relegated last season but started very strongly this time. Five wins out of six games, and Guirassy scored 10 goals in the first five games, which is more than Mbappé or Haaland. Today, the game looked very different from last season. We had around 65% possession, and Guirassy drew multiple defenders on him, making space for the other players. The funny thing is that possession looks dominant until it falls flat on its face. They are still learning, but multiple times they make terrible passes after looking dominant just before. It's unlikely that this spell will continue for much longer because we had weaker opponents except Leipzig, who trashed us 5:1. But it's a lot of fun while it lasts. Team looks quite young, hopefully they can keep up momentum  Yesterday, VfB Stuttgart won again. We now have 18 points from seven games and are ahead of Bayern, Leipzig and Dortmund. Only Xabi Alonsos's Leverkusen could take first place from us if they win today. Guirassy scored another hattrick and broke Lewandowski's record for most goals in the first seven matches. He is now at 13 goals. Seems unreal. The next match is away against Union Berlin. That will be hard to win.
Amazing right? If Bundesliga were to end right now, I'd be so happy with the standings :D
Just a pity Guirassy is gonna leave soon and will not even be expensive
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It will be a pity yes but I really think Stuttgart have finally recovered. Hoeneß is doing wonders with the same squad that had been underachieving for years
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On October 09 2023 06:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
why would city be favored by the refs? FA wants City to win? All the refs are bought and paid for by city? Tbh pretty much every neutral is cheering against City at this point.
Apparently some of the PL refs currently do a midweek side gig in UAE. I don't know about the details, but it seems like a potential conflict of interest that should be clarified at the very least.
I'm not sure what's the most reliable source, but the Athletic seems to have something behind the paywall for example, so I guess there's at least something going on there. Google finds you a lot of reddit threads and such, not sure how reliable those are as a source.
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Norway28600 Posts
That sounds pretty crazy ngl!
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United States10097 Posts
On October 09 2023 05:52 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2023 05:46 sharkie wrote:On October 09 2023 05:37 Pandemona wrote:
Its not always City being favoured thats not right, if that was the case Rodri would not have been banned for 3 games and sent off.
You should be happy Arsenal some how won, the game was very poor, reminded me of Benitez vs Mourinho days of a lot of talent on the pitch and everyone to afraid to lose and not trying to win the game, which when you had those two teams on the pitch felt very odd.
Still going into second international break, the league is "wide open". City being favoured by refs only happened in the two seasons where they won the league vs Liverpool by 1 point each yeah. The same seasons where Liverpool developed the ‘LiVARpool’ nickname?
Shocker, shitty onfield decisions against Liverpool got overturned by VAR and somehow a dumbass nickname is born. Maybe refs shouldn't make bad calls against them so frequently.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51458 Posts
Hey, they scored a ghost goal which won them a champions league, i can't ever forget that !
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Heart predictions:
Premier League: Arsenal
Bundesliga: Dortmund
La Liga: Athletico Madrid
Serie A: Milan AC
Ligue 1: Lens
Champions League: PSG (they have been chasing this for too long..)
Europa League: Liverpool
Head Predictions:
Premier League: Man City
Bundesliga: Bayern Munich
La Liga: FC Barcelone
Serie A: Inter Milan
Ligue 1: PSG
Champions League: Real Madrid
Europa League: Liverpool
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On October 10 2023 01:15 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2023 06:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
why would city be favored by the refs? FA wants City to win? All the refs are bought and paid for by city? Tbh pretty much every neutral is cheering against City at this point.
Apparently some of the PL refs currently do a midweek side gig in UAE. I don't know about the details, but it seems like a potential conflict of interest that should be clarified at the very least. I'm not sure what's the most reliable source, but the Athletic seems to have something behind the paywall for example, so I guess there's at least something going on there. Google finds you a lot of reddit threads and such, not sure how reliable those are as a source.
Arsenal stadium is called the Emirates so if anything, it is not all about city.
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On October 10 2023 07:32 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 01:15 Bacillus wrote:On October 09 2023 06:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
why would city be favored by the refs? FA wants City to win? All the refs are bought and paid for by city? Tbh pretty much every neutral is cheering against City at this point.
Apparently some of the PL refs currently do a midweek side gig in UAE. I don't know about the details, but it seems like a potential conflict of interest that should be clarified at the very least. I'm not sure what's the most reliable source, but the Athletic seems to have something behind the paywall for example, so I guess there's at least something going on there. Google finds you a lot of reddit threads and such, not sure how reliable those are as a source. Arsenal stadium is called the Emirates so if anything, it is not all about city.
Certainly the questionable connections go further than City and are worth a discussion too, but I think the City's direct UAE ownership makes this a bigger red flag than Arsenal being sponsored by the state airline.
As far as I can tell, the core issue is about the refs receiving boons from a side clearly connected to clubs. If that doesn't exist, the whole conflict of interest doesn't exist. Obviously it's just one way you can do corruption and influence people, but at least stuff like this shouldn't happen in open daylight through officially sanctioned means.
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United States10097 Posts
On October 10 2023 07:32 KobraKay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2023 01:15 Bacillus wrote:On October 09 2023 06:13 Liquid`Drone wrote:
why would city be favored by the refs? FA wants City to win? All the refs are bought and paid for by city? Tbh pretty much every neutral is cheering against City at this point.
Apparently some of the PL refs currently do a midweek side gig in UAE. I don't know about the details, but it seems like a potential conflict of interest that should be clarified at the very least. I'm not sure what's the most reliable source, but the Athletic seems to have something behind the paywall for example, so I guess there's at least something going on there. Google finds you a lot of reddit threads and such, not sure how reliable those are as a source. Arsenal stadium is called the Emirates so if anything, it is not all about city.
An airline sponsoring for the rights to the stadium's name and the club itself being literally owned by a country are two completely different things.
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Hazard retires.
At the high point of his career he was as good as messi and ronaldo in their best years. Its so sad how the last 4 years of his career passed
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On October 10 2023 06:33 sysen wrote:
Heart predictions:
Premier League: Arsenal
Bundesliga: Dortmund
La Liga: Athletico Madrid
Serie A: Milan AC
Ligue 1: Lens
Champions League: PSG (they have been chasing this for too long..)
Europa League: Liverpool
Head Predictions:
Premier League: Man City
Bundesliga: Bayern Munich
La Liga: FC Barcelone
Serie A: Inter Milan
Ligue 1: PSG
Champions League: Real Madrid
Europa League: Liverpool
Heart Bundesliga maybe Leverkusen? Xabi alonso working wonders there
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On October 09 2023 07:13 WombaT wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2023 05:37 Pandemona wrote:
Its not always City being favoured thats not right, if that was the case Rodri would not have been banned for 3 games and sent off.
You should be happy Arsenal some how won, the game was very poor, reminded me of Benitez vs Mourinho days of a lot of talent on the pitch and everyone to afraid to lose and not trying to win the game, which when you had those two teams on the pitch felt very odd.
Still going into second international break, the league is "wide open". I am reminded every time a big game is that low quality of Valdano’s classic ‘shit on a stick’ line about Benitez/Mourinho clashes of that era Show nested quote +On October 09 2023 05:53 sharkie wrote:On October 09 2023 05:52 WombaT wrote:On October 09 2023 05:46 sharkie wrote:On October 09 2023 05:37 Pandemona wrote:
Its not always City being favoured thats not right, if that was the case Rodri would not have been banned for 3 games and sent off.
You should be happy Arsenal some how won, the game was very poor, reminded me of Benitez vs Mourinho days of a lot of talent on the pitch and everyone to afraid to lose and not trying to win the game, which when you had those two teams on the pitch felt very odd.
Still going into second international break, the league is "wide open". City being favoured by refs only happened in the two seasons where they won the league vs Liverpool by 1 point each yeah. The same seasons where Liverpool developed the ‘LiVARpool’ nickname? Because VAR fixed bad on-field decisions? Well no the nickname was based on the perception that VAR fixed a lot of decisions in Liverpool’s favour. If the perception of fans was that the officials had some sort of bias against BOTH those teams, I mean somebody has to be wrong on at least one of those charges. How many charges are City currently sitting on from the governing body of the league? But the refs are trying to aid them in the pitch? The only rigid analysis I saw on the topic found no particular bias in any direction other than both home teams (slightly) and traditional giants in general (very slightly indeed). The reason respectively hypothesised being as a human it’s kind of hard not to be at least slightly affected by giant crowds, and the second that even if it’s a subconscious thing, making a big call against a big team means your name is mud in the media for a whole week in a way it just isn’t if you screw Burnley over or whoever. It’s not any kind of intentional, directed conspiracy or anything. And even the stuff I’m alluding to we’re really talking a very small overall swing in those directions. Refs aren’t androids, humans are just naturally susceptible to a million types of small biases in their decision-making processes.
I don't think being worried about your name becoming mud explains the slight bias towards bigger teams. A decision involving a big team will get a lot of attention, whether the decision goes in favour of the big team or against them. Wolves not getting a penalty against Man United received a lot of attention.
I think the slight big-team bias is because of perception of player quality. A ref will more likely believe that Virgil Van Dijk successfully tackled Andre Ayew than Joachim Andersen successfully tackled Mo Salah, so in a similar incident the ref is more likely to give a penalty to Liverpool than Crystal Palace.
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Northern Ireland24428 Posts
On October 11 2023 01:43 sharkie wrote:
Hazard retires.
At the high point of his career he was as good as messi and ronaldo in their best years. Its so sad how the last 4 years of his career passed
He wasn’t, but definitely up there in the best of the rest category. Excellent player and thrilling to watch, shame he couldn’t quite bring his top Chelsea form to Real these last few years
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yeah hazard was one of the best but putting him in the ronaldo/messi category is a joke. he was in the tier of neymar/suarez etc on his best days
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Yeah, everything about football is so wrong and corrupted, all blame goes to the shady sheikhs. Poor American owners, even Ted Lasso or Deadpool can't save their clubs from oppression.
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