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Ben...
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On July 04 2021 23:37 Excludos wrote: They're not tho, they're just handing out 5 second penalties where they felt like it, with no basis in reality. Previous rulings have been that the attacker, when on the outside, has to be equally alongside the defender to have a right of the racing line. The stewards just threw that out the window and made up their own rules on the spot and gave Norris a penalty anyways. Its especially stupid since lately there have been a culture of less penalties, and more "racing incidents", handed out due to drivers, the team and the fans all wanting harder racing. And suddenly on one weekend they completely reverse that and hand out penalties left and right for exactly that. The only penalties that should have been handed out this weekend was imo for Tsunado being a dumbass with the pitlane entry. At worst, Perez deserved one penalty for pushing Leclerc off when Leclerc was ahead You know a penalty is wrong when the team that lost the most from an incident even said the incident was not penalty-worthy. Horner even doubled down on saying that Norris/Perez was a racing incident after the race. The one Perez penalty was probably a bit justifiable but the second one where Charles tried to do a risky overtake at a bad spot and ended up in the gravel was definitely a racing incident. Horner's probably right that if this keeps up then drivers will start to do risky moves then position themselves so the defender has no choice but to force them off track and incur a penalty. The stewarding this entire weekend has been appallingly bad. The whole situation in qualifying was just stupid. First they penalize Vettel, one of the only drivers who listened to the "Only slow down to queue between turns 8 and 9. Do not slow down between turns 9 and 10 or we'll penalize you" directive for qualifying (and got screwed over for doing the right thing), even though he basically got trapped behind two people who explicitly ignored the directive from the race director, then they let all the people who didn't follow the new directive off without penalty (their reasoning was that if they penalized Bottas and Sainz, they'd have had to penalize a giant chunk of the field, which is a garbage excuse). If Vettel deserved a penalty then Bottas and Sainz did as well. They blew past Vettel then slowed down on the racing line at turns 9 and 10 (which they were explicitly told not to do), forcing Vettel to slow down unexpectedly, which put him in Alonso's path and caused the whole incident. Either enforce the directive or don't have it at all. This whole grey area situation they keep creating sucks. Happy to see Danny Ric had a better weekend at least. His qualifying was horrid but his race pace was great. I suppose one other thing to keep in mind is how close the field is in qualifying. Ricciardo was only 3 tenths off Norris in Q2 but that was enough to end up 13th or wherever he ended up. It seems like he's starting to get it together a bit more. He had bad luck last weekend with a power unit glitch destroying what was a very strong start to the race and ending him up on a slower compound of tires behind a bunch of people in a DRS train. Hopefully he figures his car issues out and is back up where he should be. | ||
FiWiFaKi
Canada9858 Posts
I think Perez and Lando shouldn't have gotten a penalty for their turn 1 things, but I really didn't like the 2nd time that Perez pushed Leclerc out. They were side by side, and Perez wasn't going fast enough to need to go all the way out to the curb, he could have kept going full gas, and just made a sharper turn and given Leclerc space. It's annoying for me, because pretty much any point of a track is a curve of some sort, and just because you have the inside line on a very gradual turn, doesn't give you the right to push the car on the outside off the track... It's only when turning sharper is possible that it should be allowed. Anyway, got to feel for Leclerc, if it wasn't for what I view as not his fault, he almost for sure would have finished p5, not p8. And I've got to say, RBR is a fantastic track, well designed, I really like the scenery and elevation changes. No asphalt run off areas, I hope we get some new tracks that keep that old school feel. | ||
greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
On July 05 2021 07:36 FiWiFaKi wrote: If being 40 seconds behind your teammate is seen as great, then yes... Good performance from Riccardo :/ Ricciardo started on 13. and finished on 7. Whereas Norris started in first row and the team mates had lots of cars between them, which leads to a time discrepancy over the course of a full race. So yes, good performance in the race by Ricciardo. | ||
bluzi
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On July 05 2021 04:59 Ben... wrote: You know a penalty is wrong when the team that lost the most from an incident even said the incident was not penalty-worthy. Horner even doubled down on saying that Norris/Perez was a racing incident after the race. The one Perez penalty was probably a bit justifiable but the second one where Charles tried to do a risky overtake at a bad spot and ended up in the gravel was definitely a racing incident. Horner's probably right that if this keeps up then drivers will start to do risky moves then position themselves so the defender has no choice but to force them off track and incur a penalty. The stewarding this entire weekend has been appallingly bad. The whole situation in qualifying was just stupid. First they penalize Vettel, one of the only drivers who listened to the "Only slow down to queue between turns 8 and 9. Do not slow down between turns 9 and 10 or we'll penalize you" directive for qualifying (and got screwed over for doing the right thing), even though he basically got trapped behind two people who explicitly ignored the directive from the race director, then they let all the people who didn't follow the new directive off without penalty (their reasoning was that if they penalized Bottas and Sainz, they'd have had to penalize a giant chunk of the field, which is a garbage excuse). If Vettel deserved a penalty then Bottas and Sainz did as well. They blew past Vettel then slowed down on the racing line at turns 9 and 10 (which they were explicitly told not to do), forcing Vettel to slow down unexpectedly, which put him in Alonso's path and caused the whole incident. Either enforce the directive or don't have it at all. This whole grey area situation they keep creating sucks. Happy to see Danny Ric had a better weekend at least. His qualifying was horrid but his race pace was great. I suppose one other thing to keep in mind is how close the field is in qualifying. Ricciardo was only 3 tenths off Norris in Q2 but that was enough to end up 13th or wherever he ended up. It seems like he's starting to get it together a bit more. He had bad luck last weekend with a power unit glitch destroying what was a very strong start to the race and ending him up on a slower compound of tires behind a bunch of people in a DRS train. Hopefully he figures his car issues out and is back up where he should be. Sorry , but Horner take was due to the fact his driver got 2 penalties , Horner never says anything against his own benefit. Seb for sure needed to get the penalty , the fact of the matter , he impeded a flying lap , it has nothing to do with the "they were told not to slow down at 9&10" , he should've went OUT of the racing line and forfeit his own flying lap , those are the rules , him and his team put him in this situation , and the rules states you cannot impede the flying lap even if it ruins your outlap. You cannot punish Bottas for impending a flying lap , because , he didnt .... he broke the gentleman agreement. Perez and Charles was tricky , but I feel Checo was "racing him too hard" , we had many side by side overtakes over the years , and it relies on drivers giving space , on the other hand we had a ton of cases where the inside driver pushes the outside driver out of the track. It boils down to what the race director want to see on track , if he wants to see such racing , side by side through several corners , then he cannot allow one driver to push the other one , if we want to see passes that are done over 1 corner after DRS is opened (which is 95% of the overtakes we see these days) , then don't penalize and send the message to the drivers that its impossible to overtake on the outside as you risk being run out of track or collide. I for one love the side by side racing over several corners , whenever we see those its the BEST racing there is , wheel to wheel is the most fun to watch , at least for me , and it can only be done if the inside driver doesn't just push the other driver and claim "its the racing line , I want to hit the outside apex , not my fault there is a car there" Also F****K crafty , he is SO biased against Ferrari its out of hand. | ||
Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On July 05 2021 19:24 bluzi wrote: Sorry , but Horner take was due to the fact his driver got 2 penalties , Horner never says anything against his own benefit. If I remember right, Horner initially said the Norris incident was a racing incident and not worthy of a penalty prior to Perez being investigated. They talked to Horner from the pit wall during the race right after the Norris/Perez thing happened. Seb for sure needed to get the penalty , the fact of the matter , he impeded a flying lap , it has nothing to do with the "they were told not to slow down at 9&10" , he should've went OUT of the racing line and forfeit his own flying lap , those are the rules , him and his team put him in this situation , and the rules states you cannot impede the flying lap even if it ruins your outlap. You cannot punish Bottas for impending a flying lap , because , he didnt .... he broke the gentleman agreement. It wasn't a gentlemen's agreement. The race director literally put a directive in their rule sheet for the weekend stating that drivers were not to queue between turns 9 and 10 during qualifying or else they would be investigated by the stewards for breaking a certain rule. Bottas and Sainz both queued right where they were not supposed to and did so on the racing line. Check Vettel's onboard. Vettel's onboard shows exactly what happened. He expected Bottas and Sainz to go since they were supposed to by the end of turn 9 (per the directive put in place), but then they suddenly didn't and he was stuck behind them at turn 9 already lined up to start his lap on the racing line. His engineer never told him Alonso was coming so he had no warning to get out of the way. Even Alonso's said that it wasn't Vettel's fault after he saw what had happened. Bottas and Sainz didn't follow the directive and impeded the start of Vettel's flying lap, causing a dangerous situation where Vettel was stuck on the racing line unexpectedly. The only reason they got away with it is because a bunch of other drivers also didn't follow the directive and the stewards would have had to penalize like half of the drivers. If they aren't gonna enforce the directives they put out, then why have them at all? It just creates confusion and causes these stupid situations to happen. It's just like the stupid track limits directive in Bahrain where Hamilton cut that one corner massively for most of the race so Red Bull asked if that was allowed, and only after they asked did the stewards say that they might start enforcing track limits at the corner. | ||
Excludos
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On July 05 2021 19:24 bluzi wrote: Sorry , but Horner take was due to the fact his driver got 2 penalties , Horner never says anything against his own benefit. Horner's take was immediately after Norris' incident, when interview on live broadcast. Perez hadn't had his incidents with Leclerc yet. Not everyone is Toto Wolf levels of refusing to see reason beyond for your own team and drivers | ||
Excludos
Norway7678 Posts
On July 06 2021 01:05 Ben... wrote: If I remember right, Horner initially said the Norris incident was a racing incident and not worthy of a penalty prior to Perez being investigated. They talked to Horner from the pit wall during the race right after the Norris/Perez thing happened. It wasn't a gentlemen's agreement. The race director literally put a directive in their rule sheet for the weekend stating that drivers were not to queue between turns 9 and 10 during qualifying or else they would be investigated by the stewards for breaking a certain rule. Bottas and Sainz both queued right where they were not supposed to and did so on the racing line. Check Vettel's onboard. Vettel's onboard shows exactly what happened. He expected Bottas and Sainz to go since they were supposed to by the end of turn 9 (per the directive put in place), but then they suddenly didn't and he was stuck behind them at turn 9 already lined up to start his lap on the racing line. His engineer never told him Alonso was coming so he had no warning to get out of the way. Even Alonso's said that it wasn't Vettel's fault after he saw what had happened. Bottas and Sainz didn't follow the directive and impeded the start of Vettel's flying lap, causing a dangerous situation where Vettel was stuck on the racing line unexpectedly. The only reason they got away with it is because a bunch of other drivers also didn't follow the directive and the stewards would have had to penalize like half of the drivers. If they aren't gonna enforce the directives they put out, then why have them at all? It just creates confusion and causes these stupid situations to happen. It's just like the stupid track limits directive in Bahrain where Hamilton cut that one corner massively for most of the race so Red Bull asked if that was allowed, and only after they asked did the stewards say that they might start enforcing track limits at the corner. Spot on. Man am I getting tired of wishy washy rules, enforcements, and favouritism in F1. It's an absolute blight on what should be the pinnacle of racing. Ferrari receiving 1/3 of their yearly cost in "Hey, we like you" money, racing rules not being enforced when convenient, penalties being handed out on a whim by a revolving panel of people we never get an insight into, rules being updated and changed MID FUCKING SEASON so half of the teams have to make changes at the cost of their own limited budget cap despite being completely within the rules at the season start. It's better than Bernie era by far, but Formula 1 still has a long way to go | ||
bluzi
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But I stand by my take about the fact that pushing the outside driver and getting away with it is going to make 2022 an accident bonanza at the start, as what we are trying to solve is to allow such racing and not just end of the straight passes with DRS , if you watch the F2/3 races you will know what I mean (they of course have their share of straights + DRS , but they have a lot of wheel to wheel action). I think the F1 grid is wired to think there can be no passing outside the straights in equal machinery so even trying one seems like such a bold and risky move that can be countered by just ignoring the other car and drive your line as if you are in free air. Yes the inside driver will need to slow down if he got to a point where he has a car alongside him , he is no longer in free air or following , he needs to drive accordingly. | ||
Excludos
Norway7678 Posts
On July 06 2021 19:47 bluzi wrote: Ive stand corrected about Horner !! But I stand by my take about the fact that pushing the outside driver and getting away with it is going to make 2022 an accident bonanza at the start, as what we are trying to solve is to allow such racing and not just end of the straight passes with DRS , if you watch the F2/3 races you will know what I mean (they of course have their share of straights + DRS , but they have a lot of wheel to wheel action). I think the F1 grid is wired to think there can be no passing outside the straights in equal machinery so even trying one seems like such a bold and risky move that can be countered by just ignoring the other car and drive your line as if you are in free air. Yes the inside driver will need to slow down if he got to a point where he has a car alongside him , he is no longer in free air or following , he needs to drive accordingly. The rules, or rather the guidelines, for overtaking on the outside is the same for any motorsport, from endurance, F2, F3 all the way down to karting. If you try to go around the outside of someone in Club100, and you're not far enough alongside the other guy, you're going to get that door slammed in your face (How far alongside you need to be, though, does vary). There's a couple of reasons why this is the norm, but mainly it comes down to the defender should be able to actually defend. If having, say, an inch alongside the other guy is enough to require him to leave space, there would simply not be anything the defender could do to defend as you just park your vehicle on the outside and wait for him to slow down into a crawl to give up the space. That's why overtaking is, generally, done on the inside. And if you want to do one on the outside, you need to be side by side into the braking zone, and it becomes a braking competition to see who can keep themselves further ahead through the corner. If you keep sticking to the outside line while being further back than the defender, you're pretty much just hoping that he's going to be nice to you. Sometimes this works out, especially in "flimsy" cars like in the formula series, as the defender would often rather let you pass than wreck both cars. But in the case of Norris, that move was for second place, and Lando was never going to give that up by being nice. That said, I would be glad for some actual clarifications about how far alongside you need to be to have the right for space. Previously, the rulings have been "equal alongside, front axel to front axel", but that clearly didn't matter on Sunday as Norris got a penalty despite being ahead. If FIA wants to loosen up the rules to have the cars, say, only require to be halfway alongside, then that needs to be communicated (and preferably written in stone). I despite when stewards just goes off on their own and starts handing out penalties for incidents that haven't been penalized before | ||
mderg
Germany1737 Posts
On July 06 2021 22:44 Excludos wrote: The rules, or rather the guidelines, for overtaking on the outside is the same for any motorsport, from endurance, F2, F3 all the way down to karting. If you try to go around the outside of someone in Club100, and you're not far enough alongside the other guy, you're going to get that door slammed in your face (How far alongside you need to be, though, does vary). There's a couple of reasons why this is the norm, but mainly it comes down to the defender should be able to actually defend. If having, say, an inch alongside the other guy is enough to require him to leave space, there would simply not be anything the defender could do to defend as you just park your vehicle on the outside and wait for him to slow down into a crawl to give up the space. That's why overtaking is, generally, done on the inside. And if you want to do one on the outside, you need to be side by side into the braking zone, and it becomes a braking competition to see who can keep themselves further ahead through the corner. If you keep sticking to the outside line while being further back than the defender, you're pretty much just hoping that he's going to be nice to you. Sometimes this works out, especially in "flimsy" cars like in the formula series, as the defender would often rather let you pass than wreck both cars. But in the case of Norris, that move was for second place, and Lando was never going to give that up by being nice. That said, I would be glad for some actual clarifications about how far alongside you need to be to have the right for space. Previously, the rulings have been "equal alongside, front axel to front axel", but that clearly didn't matter on Sunday as Norris got a penalty despite being ahead. If FIA wants to loosen up the rules to have the cars, say, only require to be halfway alongside, then that needs to be communicated (and preferably written in stone). I despite when stewards just goes off on their own and starts handing out penalties for incidents that haven't been penalized before I don't see how doing that would ever work. Getting an overlap mid corner around the outside requires a huge pace advantage and wouldn't happen very often. | ||
Excludos
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On July 07 2021 01:02 mderg wrote: I don't see how doing that would ever work. Getting an overlap mid corner around the outside requires a huge pace advantage and wouldn't happen very often. It means you need to be ahead of the other guy going into the corner, or out-brake him. Which is how overtakes around the outsides are done. If you're not able to pull one of those two things off, you aren't in a position to attempt an overtake. To be fair to Perez, he was ahead going into the corner, so he got that part right. But he didn't manage to squeeze Lando enough to keep the position (Also, that corner is, what, 150 degrees? It's not a good corner to overtake around the outside in the first place). So he simply wasn't far enough ahead of Lando to keep staying ahead at the corner exit, in practice losing the right to the corner. I'm not blaming Perez too much, as it was quite close, and since he himself is the only one who got punished for it, this should be the bone standard of what a racing incident is. | ||
Amui
Canada10558 Posts
On July 07 2021 02:12 Excludos wrote: It means you need to be ahead of the other guy going into the corner, or out-brake him. Which is how overtakes around the outsides are done. If you're not able to pull one of those two things off, you aren't in a position to attempt an overtake. To be fair to Perez, he was ahead going into the corner, so he got that part right. But he didn't manage to squeeze Lando enough to keep the position (Also, that corner is, what, 150 degrees? It's not a good corner to overtake around the outside in the first place). So he simply wasn't far enough ahead of Lando to keep staying ahead at the corner exit, in practice losing the right to the corner. I'm not blaming Perez too much, as it was quite close, and since he himself is the only one who got punished for it, this should be the bone standard of what a racing incident is. Some similar corners are Bahrain T4 and Brazil T1. Going around the outside is mostly about setting yourself up to have the inside line to the corner afterwards. I would say it requires more than a front wheel to rear wheel overlap to be entitled to room in a corner, but at the same time if you're side by side through the whole corner (Perez's front wheel had an overlap with Lando's front), you should be fully entitled to room. At that point, Perez can't back out because he's so far alongside that he couldn't back out if he tried. | ||
Excludos
Norway7678 Posts
On July 07 2021 03:42 Amui wrote: Some similar corners are Bahrain T4 and Brazil T1. Going around the outside is mostly about setting yourself up to have the inside line to the corner afterwards. I would say it requires more than a front wheel to rear wheel overlap to be entitled to room in a corner, but at the same time if you're side by side through the whole corner (Perez's front wheel had an overlap with Lando's front), you should be fully entitled to room. At that point, Perez can't back out because he's so far alongside that he couldn't back out if he tried. That would be fine, if the rules were simply written down, so we wouldn't have to guess how far along the attacker needs to be to have right for space, based on previous rulings. The worst part about stewards decisions are the complete lack of consistency | ||
bluzi
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Lando or Perez being an inch further (or not) should not mean he can have the entire corner for themselves and ignore the fact they have a car alongside , the racing should change when there are other cars around they cannot just say "we wanted to go full throttle and have the best line" when they take the non optimal line in the first place to defend the inside and then try and get back on the "racing line". Imagine the classic overtake under DRS , we usually have : 1) Defending car choosing to block the inside/outside , lets say it defends the outside. 2) Attacking car is diving on the inside and blocks the outside driver from turning in optimally to the corner. Now if you go with your logic , the defending driver shouldn't yield its optimal line which is to turn in at a certain spot ,but if he does he will hit the car going on the inside , this is not different aside from the "norm" we apply to F1 racing today , and has its so hard to pass anywhere outside the straights due to how the cars are built , we get this discussion going. | ||
Lmui
Canada6155 Posts
Jolyon Palmer's take on it. Edit: To contextualize it, the point of the penalty seems to be encouraging multi-corner wheel to wheel action. On corners where there is runoff, you can push other cars off, as they can rejoin and re-attack. On corners where there is no runoff, you cannot push the car off if they are significantly alongside at the apex of the corner. | ||
Excludos
Norway7678 Posts
On July 07 2021 16:58 bluzi wrote: Not sure where all this "all you have to do is dive-bomb and park your car on the outside and you get a pass" comes from , if you go too fast to the outside you will run out of road as you still need to make the corner and exit it FAST to be able to pass the inside car , you guys are way over thinking it , if you want wheel to wheel racing , i.e cars going side by side through several corners then you need to make sure the 2 cars can stay on track , If a car needs to slow down for that to happen , so be it , it was slow enough to get into that situation in the first place , in F1 hard racing cannot be done as Karting , as bumping someone is dangerous and also race ending most of the time , we shouldn't have a case where drivers needs to show their "bravery" by sticking it out hoping the other driver yield or go with "lets crash and hopefully I get out of it better". Lando or Perez being an inch further (or not) should not mean he can have the entire corner for themselves and ignore the fact they have a car alongside , the racing should change when there are other cars around they cannot just say "we wanted to go full throttle and have the best line" when they take the non optimal line in the first place to defend the inside and then try and get back on the "racing line". Imagine the classic overtake under DRS , we usually have : 1) Defending car choosing to block the inside/outside , lets say it defends the outside. 2) Attacking car is diving on the inside and blocks the outside driver from turning in optimally to the corner. Now if you go with your logic , the defending driver shouldn't yield its optimal line which is to turn in at a certain spot ,but if he does he will hit the car going on the inside , this is not different aside from the "norm" we apply to F1 racing today , and has its so hard to pass anywhere outside the straights due to how the cars are built , we get this discussion going. A bunch of misconceptions here. Firstly, there is a difference between attacking on the inside vs attacking on the outside. If the defending driver wants to defend a corner, he needs to defend the inside. If he doesn't, it's a free corner for the attacker. That is why the rules are if you are attacking and on the inside are different. You don't have to be nearly as far along on the inside, because the other driver didn't defend. Equally, if you attack on the inside, and you get far enough ahead that you are ahead of your opponent, guess what? You now own the corner. You can claim it, and push your opponent off if he doesn't yield. However, if the same rules applied for attacking the outside, how is the defender actually going to defend? In your world, he doesn't have the corner if he defends and is ahead of his opponent, so all the attacker needs to do is get his nose within an inch of his opponent, and claim the corner as easily as if he had gotten blue flags. Racing isn't just about overtaking, and a good race isn't measured in amount of overtakes. The defender also needs to be allowed to defend, an that is how you get side by side action. You think Norris would be able to hold Lewis off for several corners, when Lewis has a much faster car, if he could just go around the outside and know he had the right for space no matter how far alongside he was? He'd just chuck his nose sortof on the outside of T3, watch how Norris would have to stop to a crawl to give him the space, and then easily take him on the straight after. Not sure about you, but that doesn't sound like exciting racing to me. That's why these rules and guidelines exists, across all 4 wheeled circuit motorsports in the world. We're not "overthinking it", we are just aware of the realities of racing. Go to any go-kart track yourself and find out yourself. You'll be treated much harsher by other drivers in Club 100 for instance, especially because they don't have to worry about their karts going to pieces due to a bit of contact. They will shove you out the second you are somewhere you shouldn't be, and you will get the penalty for it. The rules could, however, be made a bit clearer. The comment above talking about "tarmac vs gravel", ok, if the FIA wants that then that's fine. However it needs to be clear to everyone. Personally I dislike that, as the track limits are the track, and it shouldn't matter what's outside of it other than for safety purposes. | ||
Excludos
Norway7678 Posts
Just saw this one. The almighty Chain Bear has spoken, and as usual explains the situation much better than I can | ||
bluzi
4703 Posts
one thing I am missing is , please find the problem with my view point here : As the defender you can pick your line first , so if its so much better to be outside (assuming everyone agrees to leave space) then defenders will pick the outside line and the attacker will need to use the inside line while STILL leaving space , the point I am trying to make here is simple , if there is a known advantage on going on the outside or the inside , then the defender can pick that line as he reaches the corner first , once they go wheel to wheel they need to leave space for both car to stay on track and race. So defenders can pick the best line going into the corner but they must leave space to the attacking driver. also no need to bring up karting examples , it has nothing to do with F1 , we cant allow drivers to use their cars as weapons to intimidate other drivers into thinking "if you come close to me , ill ram into you and what happens happens" , while karting are bumping into each other every other lap. | ||
mderg
Germany1737 Posts
On July 08 2021 06:58 Excludos wrote: A bunch of misconceptions here. Firstly, there is a difference between attacking on the inside vs attacking on the outside. If the defending driver wants to defend a corner, he needs to defend the inside. If he doesn't, it's a free corner for the attacker. That is why the rules are if you are attacking and on the inside are different. You don't have to be nearly as far along on the inside, because the other driver didn't defend. Equally, if you attack on the inside, and you get far enough ahead that you are ahead of your opponent, guess what? You now own the corner. You can claim it, and push your opponent off if he doesn't yield. However, if the same rules applied for attacking the outside, how is the defender actually going to defend? In your world, he doesn't have the corner if he defends and is ahead of his opponent, so all the attacker needs to do is get his nose within an inch of his opponent, and claim the corner as easily as if he had gotten blue flags. Racing isn't just about overtaking, and a good race isn't measured in amount of overtakes. The defender also needs to be allowed to defend, an that is how you get side by side action. You think Norris would be able to hold Lewis off for several corners, when Lewis has a much faster car, if he could just go around the outside and know he had the right for space no matter how far alongside he was? He'd just chuck his nose sortof on the outside of T3, watch how Norris would have to stop to a crawl to give him the space, and then easily take him on the straight after. Not sure about you, but that doesn't sound like exciting racing to me. That's why these rules and guidelines exists, across all 4 wheeled circuit motorsports in the world. We're not "overthinking it", we are just aware of the realities of racing. Go to any go-kart track yourself and find out yourself. You'll be treated much harsher by other drivers in Club 100 for instance, especially because they don't have to worry about their karts going to pieces due to a bit of contact. They will shove you out the second you are somewhere you shouldn't be, and you will get the penalty for it. The rules could, however, be made a bit clearer. The comment above talking about "tarmac vs gravel", ok, if the FIA wants that then that's fine. However it needs to be clear to everyone. Personally I dislike that, as the track limits are the track, and it shouldn't matter what's outside of it other than for safety purposes. This doesn't make any sense. I have no idea how you're coming to that conclusion. | ||
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