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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Verstappen looked like he was hurting quite a bit. | ||
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LennX
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And it happens | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4558 Posts
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LennX
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
Verstappen had to be airlifted to the hospital because he was not feeling great. The impact was 51 Gs. We're lucky there's two weeks until the next race so at least he can recover. I like a close fight but not like this. This feels like 2016 when Hamilton started getting dirty when Rosberg was beating him. | ||
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LennX
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zeo
Serbia6344 Posts
'this is such a proud moment for me' #blessed | ||
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Oleo
Netherlands283 Posts
Hamilton will have seriously injured a competitor and proceed to celebrate the racewin like this... | ||
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xM(Z
Romania5299 Posts
Edit: Lewis said it was "his line". | ||
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bluzi
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1) Sergio needs to go , he is a driver i love , but he is not elite , and its costing RB big time , they need an elite driver in that 2nd seat and if it means Max will have intra team battle , so be it , at least they can use team orders when its clear Max is the man.2 2) Alonso is on top of his game again , making moves , driving brilliantly !! 3) Charles is at the elite level , was not quite sure as qualifying is not the only thing that matters in racing. , but i think he is now on the tip top elite. 4) Expect more from Russel in the races , he is mr saturday (or firday) , but he is not a star on sundays. | ||
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MWY
Germany284 Posts
A penalty this tiny also sets a dangerous precedent which is exactly the opposite the FIA tried to promote last race by handing out penalties for just running people off track. This penalty clearly says "if you're on the inside of a corner, just crash your rival out because why the fuck wouldn't you". RB now has an atleast heavily shaken driver, a crashed car and faces possibly more issues for repairing/replacing said car while those 10 secs are completely irrelevant to anything. I really can't believe how a "sport" that exists for so long and is so big can have such a bad and random enforcement of rules. Even defining the rules (f.e. in terms of track-limits) apparently is an issue sometimes. It's ridicoulous. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On July 19 2021 02:28 MWY wrote: Obviously no sportsman would forfeit the race. But celebrating and uptalking a win after making a clear mistake by going wide into a corner and therefore eliminating and even putting into the hospital your only real competition is just a shit thing to do. A penalty this tiny also sets a dangerous precedent which is exactly the opposite the FIA tried to promote last race by handing out penalties for just running people off track. This penalty clearly says "if you're on the inside of a corner, just crash your rival out because why the fuck wouldn't you". RB now has an atleast heavily shaken driver, a crashed car and faces possibly more issues for repairing/replacing said car while those 10 secs are completely irrelevant to anything. I really can't believe how a "sport" that exists for so long and is so big can have such a bad and random enforcement of rules. Even defining the rules (f.e. in terms of track-limits) apparently is an issue sometimes. It's ridicoulous. No dobut , I hate the 10 sec when a driver race is over , i think the result of the incident SHOULD be taken into account , it shouldnt be the only decider , but it should be part of the outcome of the punishment , Lewis knew the race is over if max gets away , but to be fair , as i stated before , Max was bullying Lewis all season long , and in every wheel to wheel Lewis backed out hoping to get it back later on. | ||
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Ben...
Canada3485 Posts
On July 19 2021 02:14 bluzi wrote: 1) Sergio needs to go , he is a driver i love , but he is not elite , and its costing RB big time , they need an elite driver in that 2nd seat and if it means Max will have intra team battle , so be it , at least they can use team orders when its clear Max is the man. Yeah, they supposedly hired Perez to get rid of these types of issues. He's making mistakes you'd expect of a driver in their first or second year like Albon and Gasly were. These are not mistakes someone who has been in the sport for a decade should be making. And it's not like Perez is doing much better than Albon in qualifying. Other than the one qualifying where Verstappen made a huge mistake so Perez ended up ahead, Perez has been just as far behind Verstappen as Albon was. He was over 0.6s off Verstappen on Friday qualifying this week and a couple qualis this year he's been a full second behind Max in Q3. This is all in a much more drivable and stable car than either of his predecessors had and a car that is clearly the benchmark for this year so far. It's hard to look at Albon's 2019 performances and think Perez is doing any better than that. Both averaged 4th to 6th place and both were 4-5 tenths back in qualifying on average. If anything, Perez is doing worse than Albon was compared to the abilities of the car he's in. He lucked into a single win because Verstappen's tire failed and Hamilton made an unforced error, but other than that he's barely performed above the level of the rookies he replaced. I'm not saying Red Bull should put Albon back in (though I do think he should be on the grid somewhere) but I am saying Perez is barely performing better than him and that's with a decade of extra experience. Perez is a solid midfield driver and that's where he should be, not at Red Bull. | ||
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Oleo
Netherlands283 Posts
On July 19 2021 01:46 xM(Z wrote: i don't get it; you wanted him to cry?, not celebrate?,forfeit the race?, or what?. Edit: Lewis said it was "his line". This pretty much: On July 19 2021 02:28 MWY wrote: Obviously no sportsman would forfeit the race. But celebrating and uptalking a win after making a clear mistake by going wide into a corner and therefore eliminating and even putting into the hospital your only real competition is just a shit thing to do. A penalty this tiny also sets a dangerous precedent which is exactly the opposite the FIA tried to promote last race by handing out penalties for just running people off track. This penalty clearly says "if you're on the inside of a corner, just crash your rival out because why the fuck wouldn't you". RB now has an atleast heavily shaken driver, a crashed car and faces possibly more issues for repairing/replacing said car while those 10 secs are completely irrelevant to anything. I really can't believe how a "sport" that exists for so long and is so big can have such a bad and random enforcement of rules. Even defining the rules (f.e. in terms of track-limits) apparently is an issue sometimes. It's ridicoulous. Just be a bit more respectful, you just put someone in the hospital for checkups and dont have concrete information about his condition. Great win, amazing job by everyone, no you won by ramming someone into the wall, they used to DQ people for that (schumacher). Its weird, Perez seemed to finally found his way in Azerbaijan and France, last few races have been real poor though. Hopefully he can improve, otherwise hopefully Russell saw Mercedes true nature today and decides he prefers a Red Bull seat for next year  . | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7218 Posts
On July 19 2021 01:14 Oleo wrote: Imagine the hypothetical situation where Verstappen comes out of his hospital checks and they found a problem. Hamilton will have seriously injured a competitor and proceed to celebrate the racewin like this... Will be a disaster.But will not be his fault.Hamilton could go out aswell.They dont call Verstappen MadMaX cuz he is a respectul careful slow driver . Hamilton is racing in his homeland.Comeback after a 10 seconds penalty.WHat do you expect ? Hamilton been acting since friday this way.Really motivated by the public. It is really shit that Max didnt race tho :/ We didnt have such a close F1 for years.Now every single race is so hype. | ||
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greenelve
Germany1392 Posts
From the perspective of Verstappen it is not fair. But i guess that comes more from his inability due to the collision to have not finished the race and lost points in the championship. A few races ago, when he had is tyre failure and was forced to watch the race from hospital too, he said he felt much better once he knew that Hamilton was out too. As a fan im hungry to watch the next races, i doubt it will become less tense now. A bang of some sort was expected for a while to be happen this year. Both are so good and so close in overall performance. We saw it in the past with Prost and Senna or Schumacher and Hill, it will happen at some point if egos met at highest pressure. | ||
TheEmulator
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The speed is really under sold on TV as always. The spectator view makes the impact look brutal.... Hopefully it's not a concussion, or at least not a serious one. He could be under performing for a few weeks if his brain is rattled. | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On July 19 2021 08:31 TheEmulator wrote: + Show Spoiler + https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QtDPQQQWP_M The speed is really under sold on TV as always. The spectator view makes the impact look brutal.... Hopefully it's not a concussion, or at least not a serious one. He could be under performing for a few weeks if his brain is rattled. Perspective is hard because the cars are so big that it doesn't look quite that bad. He hit the wall sideways at 300kph. Seems to be okay. No concussion, but I would imagine he's bruised to hell. It'll still hurt in a couple of weeks, but hopefully he'll pull through. Concussion definitely would've been the worst possible outcome, after mine I would shoulder check and not comprehend/forget what I saw for a month after coming back to driving. Wouldn't have been possible to race karts for a couple months, never mind F1. | ||
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