Formula 1 Discussion - Page 54

On June 07 2021 00:38 fLyiNgDroNe wrote:
Vettel and Perez equally impressed me. I really hope Canada will be at least as entertaining as this one.

On June 07 2021 03:36 Ben... wrote:
What a weird end to the race. I feel bad for Stroll and Verstappen. Blowouts at top speed at one of the fastest spots on the F1 calendar can't be fun. Stroll sounded shook up. I'm sure they'll try to deflect blame, but this race did not reflect well on Pirelli at all. They were the reason all the cars had to cut downforce this year. Even with the cut downforce and supposedly sturdier tires, they are still having tire failures like this. Verstappen's failure one could argue was from pushing the tire too hard, but Stroll's failure occurred ~30 laps into Pirelli's 40 lap estimated tire lifespan and happened during a period where he was just managing his pace. Pirelli will probably try to claim the tires got cut by debris like usual, but two identical tire failures in the exact same spot is pretty suspicious (edit: even Verstappen's basically saying they'll just blame debris and ignore it. Right after that Pirelli of course publicly blamed debris but, since Verstappen already called them out on it, they ceded that they'll look into things more).

It seems like happy Vettel is back. People always joked that he turned into a grump after Germany 2018 and hasn't driven as well since. The last few races he's seemed much happier and more content in interviews and now suddenly we're seeing him put in the level of performances we used to expect from him. Two races in a row he's put in amazing performances.

I'm not sure what was going on with Bottas. He was horrid. His qualifying problem was arguably not his fault but his race was terrible. They radioed him about getting past the person ahead and how he could get up to P5 but then he made mistakes and slid down the order. Norris even mentioned when he was following Bottas how Bottas was making a lot of errors. Apparently the Alfa Romeos both passed Bottas on pure pace. Just brutal.

I saw someone point out that this podium was the redemption arc podium since every driver on it was either fired or demoted in the last year and a half.

edit:

They cancelled Canada unfortunately. There's going to be two races in Austria instead and some calendar shuffling had to be done. They also just cancelled Singapore.

On June 07 2021 03:36 Ben... wrote:
What a weird end to the race. I feel bad for Stroll and Verstappen. Blowouts at top speed at one of the fastest spots on the F1 calendar can't be fun. Stroll sounded shook up. I'm sure they'll try to deflect blame, but this race did not reflect well on Pirelli at all. They were the reason all the cars had to cut downforce this year. Even with the cut downforce and supposedly sturdier tires, they are still having tire failures like this. Verstappen's failure one could argue was from pushing the tire too hard, but Stroll's failure occurred ~30 laps into Pirelli's 40 lap estimated tire lifespan and happened during a period where he was just managing his pace. Pirelli will probably try to claim the tires got cut by debris like usual, but two identical tire failures in the exact same spot is pretty suspicious (edit: even Verstappen's basically saying they'll just blame debris and ignore it. Right after that Pirelli of course publicly blamed debris but, since Verstappen already called them out on it, they ceded that they'll look into things more).

It seems like happy Vettel is back. People always joked that he turned into a grump after Germany 2018 and hasn't driven as well since. The last few races he's seemed much happier and more content in interviews and now suddenly we're seeing him put in the level of performances we used to expect from him. Two races in a row he's put in amazing performances.

I'm not sure what was going on with Bottas. He was horrid. His qualifying problem was arguably not his fault but his race was terrible. They radioed him about getting past the person ahead and how he could get up to P5 but then he made mistakes and slid down the order. Norris even mentioned when he was following Bottas how Bottas was making a lot of errors. Apparently the Alfa Romeos both passed Bottas on pure pace. Just brutal.

I saw someone point out that this podium was the redemption arc podium since every driver on it was either fired or demoted in the last year and a half.

edit:

They cancelled Canada unfortunately. There's going to be two races in Austria instead and some calendar shuffling had to be done. They also just cancelled Singapore.

On June 07 2021 03:36 Ben... wrote:even Verstappen's basically saying they'll just blame debris and ignore it. Right after that Pirelli of course publicly blamed debris but, since Verstappen already called them out on it, they ceded that they'll look into things more.

On June 07 2021 20:15 Kaolla wrote:
Other than that, quite an enjoyable race. I don't really like a standing restart 2 laps before the end of the race though. I feel it's too much "fabricated drama/excitement" and could potentially change the final results too much (as we have now seen with Hamilton ending outside of the points despite having driven a great race for 49/51 laps).

On June 07 2021 21:15 Excludos wrote:


Not sure what else you want. RBs call to FIA to red flag the session for tire changes for safety reasons was spot on (and not done egoistically, as it would give Hamilton a better chance to overtake Perez, like he almost did had he not fucked up his brakes).

Red flags are always restarted from a stand-still, unless weather (aka rain) doesn't allow it to be done safely.

Nothing was fabricated here.

On June 07 2021 21:15 Excludos wrote:


Not sure what else you want. RBs call to FIA to red flag the session for tire changes for safety reasons was spot on (and not done egoistically, as it would give Hamilton a better chance to overtake Perez, like he almost did had he not fucked up his brakes).

Red flags are always restarted from a stand-still, unless weather (aka rain) doesn't allow it to be done safely.

Nothing was fabricated here.

On June 08 2021 03:21 Ben... wrote:

Red Bull wanted it red flagged for safety reasons but the race director specifically red flagged it rather than let it finish behind a safety car because he wanted the race to finish under green flag conditions since he thought it would be "good for the sport". Red Bull likely meant to have the race red flagged and not continued since that has happened in this type of situation before.

I thought they did the right thing too but then of course Masi had to reveal they did the right thing for the wrong reasons.

Masi's under a lot of heat right now anyway because a bunch of drivers felt it took them way too long to call safety car for both Stroll and Verstappen's crashes. Leclerc even said during the race over the radio as he passed Verstappen that they needed to call safety car immediately.

On June 08 2021 19:49 Excludos wrote:


Red Bull would know as well as anyone that F1 always restarts after red flags unless they go beyond the 4 hour maximum time limit. The notion that they expect the race to just be over so Max could win is groundless (it does occur in F2, but they have stricter time limits due to other sessions on the same track)

In both cases, there was a significant delay between the crashes occuring and the Safety Car being deployed. When Verstappen crashed, Sebastian Vettel’s race engineer warned him of the incident as he passed it, yet the Safety Car wasn’t deployed until he reached turn 16, almost a full lap later.

On June 20 2021 23:49 xM(Z wrote:
i think Botas refused to change the tires and go for the fastest lap on softs; he gave the finger to the team.
awesome race thou.

On June 20 2021 23:54 xM(Z wrote:
yea, i'm a Richie fanboy ; maybe he's starting to finally 'get' the car.

Edit: for the penalty - i think he was ~40sec ahead of 5th place so even with a pit stop and 10sec penalty, it would've been fine; still 4th.