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sneirac
Germany3464 Posts
too expensive for the smaller countries and its not like UEFA will share any of their money to support the spread. | ||
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nojok
France15845 Posts
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haitike
Spain2722 Posts
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
Could this be a new ...loew? + Show Spoiler + sorry can't be helped | ||
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sharkie
Austria18572 Posts
I watched yesterday Japan beat Uruguay 4-3 and Shoya Nakajima played a sick game. Looking at his stats with Portimoense they are very good too :o Have you noticed him in league matches? | ||
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KobraKay
Portugal4238 Posts
On October 17 2018 15:06 sharkie wrote: To the Portugese league watchers: I watched yesterday Japan beat Uruguay 4-3 and Shoya Nakajima played a sick game. Looking at his stats with Portimoense they are very good too :o Have you noticed him in league matches? Yeah he is very good and is referenced as target by 2 of the 3 top clubs. However, his team is requesting a higher transfer fee than what is usually used in internal deals thus he stayed there during the summer. I think the main issue was that last season he was very good for a medium team but it was unclear whether he could transfer that to a Portuguese top team. This season he has improved from last year so it seems that he could def be used in higher quality matches. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 17 2018 08:32 nayumi wrote: Germany lost again. Damn. Could this be a new ...loew? + Show Spoiler + sorry can't be helped Germany's gotten to the point that they're taking moral victories. "But the squad looked so good against France and Low actually made changes!" Jesus fucking Christ this is pathetic. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
Seriously, Germany's results in championships during Löw's tenure : EC 2008: second place WC 2010: third place EC 2012: tied for third place WC 2014: won EC 2016: tied for third place WC 2018: group stage loss Germany's results in qualifications for the same tournaments during Löw's tenure: EC 2008 qualifier: 8-3-1 WC 2010 qualifier: 8-1-1 EC 2012 qualifier: 10-0-0 WC 2014 qualifier: 9-1-0 EC 2016 qualifier: 7-1-2 WC 2018 qualifier: 10-0-0 So out of 6 championships they have 5 semi final finishes. During Löw they're either #1 or #2 in the world for this period (you can rank spain higher if you place more weight on winning the trophy, but spain has been less consistent overall). Out of 6 qualifications the same story, together with Spain they have the best overall performance of any country. let's look at the 6 championships before Löw; WC 2006: third place EC 2004: group stage loss WC 2002: second place EC 2000: group stage loss WC 1998: top 8 EC 1996: won That's not terrible either, but it's most definitely worse. They've basically had one tournament worse than expectation out of 6 tournaments. Most of the time they've played some pretty great football. Then they had a shitty game against NL just recently - and a good game against France yesterday, despite losing. Either way, overall, he's been a pretty smashing success. | ||
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warding
Portugal2394 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18572 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:19 warding wrote: There's a pretty stark difference in player quality though. You look at the German 2004 squad and the only world class player there was Ballack. Look at Spain squad and their achievements since 2012. Just having good players doesn't make a great team. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 17 2018 23:49 Liquid`Drone wrote: But Germany did play a much much better game against france than against NL / in the world cup, and Löw did make good changes echoing ones people had been asking for.. Losing 2-1 away against the reigning world champions in a close game that could have gone either way is not a disaster lol. Seriously, Germany's results in championships during Löw's tenure : EC 2008: second place WC 2010: third place EC 2012: tied for third place WC 2014: won EC 2016: tied for third place WC 2018: group stage loss Germany's results in qualifications for the same tournaments during Löw's tenure: EC 2008 qualifier: 8-3-1 WC 2010 qualifier: 8-1-1 EC 2012 qualifier: 10-0-0 WC 2014 qualifier: 9-1-0 EC 2016 qualifier: 7-1-2 WC 2018 qualifier: 10-0-0 So out of 6 championships they have 5 semi final finishes. During Löw they're either #1 or #2 in the world for this period (you can rank spain higher if you place more weight on winning the trophy, but spain has been less consistent overall). Out of 6 qualifications the same story, together with Spain they have the best overall performance of any country. let's look at the 6 championships before Löw; WC 2006: third place EC 2004: group stage loss WC 2002: second place EC 2000: group stage loss WC 1998: top 8 EC 1996: won That's not terrible either, but it's most definitely worse. They've basically had one tournament worse than expectation out of 6 tournaments. Most of the time they've played some pretty great football. Then they had a shitty game against NL just recently - and a good game against France yesterday, despite losing. Either way, overall, he's been a pretty smashing success. Achieving things in the past isn't an excuse for the present. "One tournament worse than expectations" was actually the single worst performance for the team in tournament history and a complete and utter embarrassment against vastly inferior teams. Then they get humiliated against a team that hasn't even made the last two major tournaments and hasn't beaten Germany in 16 years. Low is not the man anymore. He isn't getting results. He isn't making improvements. He has been completely devoid of any quality FB's or striker choices in the squad since Klose/Lahm while still having what should be the best youth development system in the world and continues to make questionable squad decisions. You don't have the worst calendar year since before the last two generations were born and get to say, "but look what he's done over the past decade!". That decade has come and gone and he is obviously not cutting it anymore. This is like paying an old player a ridiculous salary for how he was a world class player 5 years ago. In what world would any club accept failure to this degree and still stick with the manager? | ||
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haitike
Spain2722 Posts
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
And Stratos_Spear has been highly critical of him much longer than their performance has been poor, stating that they won the WC despite him, predicting a terrible EC 2016 performance.. | ||
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Stratos_speAr
United States6959 Posts
On October 18 2018 04:37 Liquid`Drone wrote: I think a decade of good results should most certainly shield you from one year of poor results. And it hasn't been more than that. In 2017 Germany was looking like the world's best team. And most of the reason I made the post is that the previous game they played had Germany looking much better than they had in a long time, after Löw made changes to the team. And Stratos_Spear has been highly critical of him much longer than their performance has been poor, stating that they won the WC despite him, predicting a terrible EC 2016 performance.. I didn't predict a terrible EURO 16, I'm predicting a terrible EURO 20 because the German federation is clueless and hasn't worked to actually line up a replacement for Low, so we're going to be stuck with this same stale crap for the next 2 years. I absolutely think that Low's coaching did not help throughout most of the WC. People remember it with rose-tinted glasses, and yet after damn near every game (except Portugal and Brazil), people were questioning if the German team was actually good enough because they put in unconvincing performances with questionable lineup choices. We were screaming for weeks that he needed to stop this BS with Lahm in the midfield and put him back at the RB position and start Klose up top. And as I mentioned before, "they performed so much better!" is a cowardly argument for a team like Germany. It's the excuse for fans/pundits that don't have the spine to hold the team accountable for an atrocious performances for an entire year which should almost entirely fall at the manager's feet for his terrible squad selection and starting lineups. Low's changes yesterday were a reactive scramble that were due almost entirely to desperation, and several of those lineup choices were still suspect. I'm also Minnesotan, so predicting a terrible performance by my team to set the bar low is really the only way to go. Just Google "being a Vikings fan". | ||
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sharkie
Austria18572 Posts
On October 18 2018 05:16 Stratos_speAr wrote: I didn't predict a terrible EURO 16, I'm predicting a terrible EURO 20 because the German federation is clueless and hasn't worked to actually line up a replacement for Low, so we're going to be stuck with this same stale crap for the next 2 years. I absolutely think that Low's coaching did not help throughout most of the WC. People remember it with rose-tinted glasses, and yet after damn near every game (except Portugal and Brazil), people were questioning if the German team was actually good enough because they put in unconvincing performances with questionable lineup choices. We were screaming for weeks that he needed to stop this BS with Lahm in the midfield and put him back at the RB position and start Klose up top. And as I mentioned before, "they performed so much better!" is a cowardly argument for a team like Germany. It's the excuse for fans/pundits that don't have the spine to hold the team accountable for an atrocious performances for an entire year which should almost entirely fall at the manager's feet for his terrible squad selection and starting lineups. Low's changes yesterday were a reactive scramble that were due almost entirely to desperation, and several of those lineup choices were still suspect. I'm also Minnesotan, so predicting a terrible performance by my team to set the bar low is really the only way to go. In the three most important matches: vs France, Brazil and Argentina Lahm played rightback and Klose up front. So Löw actually did what you accuse him of not doing? Adapting and admitting he was wrong? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28738 Posts
"I'm 100% sure that Germany is going to fall flat on their faces at EURO 16. The team's offense is an absolute embarrassment. I continue to believe that Germany won the WC in spite of Löw as coach, not because of him. We're still playing a boring, slow, directionless game that is purely based on possession and doesn't have any true CF's in it. Everything that is wrong with Germany is based on the offense. The defense is only mediocre, but it isn't terrible. If we actually had an offensive game that was worth mentioning, then the lack of pace in the defense wouldn't matter because we're able to possess the ball and create so many chances that we'd be too far ahead for it to matter." Slightly later, still before the EC, you wrote; "German defense is utter trash and German attack is weak. Combine that with Löw (who I still think only won the WC in spite of his managing) and this team is going to disappoint, badly." During it, you wrote :"It's because Löw isn't a good coach. I've been saying it for years, but both his tactics and selections are lacking." After they lost, you wrote 'I hope that Low is finally fired for this shit. Such a terrible performance and it definitely isn't due to the quality of players in Germany.' - that was after the fifth consecutive semi final appearance in an EC/WC. You've been extremely critical of him for as long as I can remember. To be fair, you've also substantiated your criticism of him on several occasions, some of it I feel is very legitimate, and you did give him credit for initially improving their game. But I also think your criticism has on occasion been really excessive and not warranted, and I think overall, he has done a fantastic job since taking charge. | ||
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Mafe
Germany5966 Posts
On October 18 2018 00:19 warding wrote: There's a pretty stark difference in player quality though. You look at the German 2004 squad and the only world class player there was Ballack. There were 2 more, unfortunately both goalkeepers. | ||
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