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sneakyfox
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On June 02 2019 22:01 sharkie wrote: How can people complain about this season's CL? We had one if the best CL of all time. So many upsets. Are they all butthurt la liga fans? Aren't people just complaining about the finals? The rest was obviously great. | ||
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haitike
Spain2716 Posts
On June 02 2019 22:01 sharkie wrote: How can people complain about this season's CL? We had one if the best CL of all time. So many upsets. Are they all butthurt la liga fans? Not even that. Most la liga fans I know think this CL was very fun despite the terrible final. | ||
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Bearded Elder29903 Posts
On June 03 2019 00:55 haitike wrote: Not even that. Most la liga fans I know think this CL was very fun despite the terrible final. Second that. Not even being the dirty La Liga fan, although I love spanish teams, I think that final was meh. Semis were damn good games as I was rooting for both Barca and Ajax and I think that one of these teams would make a better GF than the premier league boredom  | ||
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Rebs
Pakistan10726 Posts
On June 02 2019 15:09 Bacillus wrote: Well yeah, not the most action packed of matches, but I'll take it at this point. It would have been pretty awkward to go home without any silverware after two such strong seasons. I think Liverpool's defense deserves some credit for making it such a boring game. There were quite a few potentially dangerous attacks, but they did well to put out those fires before anything escalated further. This a very good point, the most impressive thing about it is that Liverpools 1 on 1 defense is actually absurdly good. Alot of defenders these days tend to get exposed if the forward players can get over their shoulders and have iso's with no help coming Spurs had a few of those today that got shut down pretty hard. Some of it was Spurs fluffing a bit also but my God are Liverpool are solid. They dont all look as Impressive as VVD and Alexander Arnold, but they are all excellent, they read their isos well and they are athetlic and intense enough to shut alot of potentially dangerous stuff down. I havent been impressed with a defense like this in a while and this is an attacking team that defends well. Its nothing like the Mou Garbage or for that matter the piss boring style that Valverde puts out. On June 02 2019 22:01 sharkie wrote: How can people complain about this season's CL? We had one if the best CL of all time. So many upsets. Are they all butthurt la liga fans? Because you cant read.. Or didnt bother to. But thats nothing new. | ||
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TTman75
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Sorry kiwis!! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Also is Klopp one of the most fan favorite managers of all time? That and he seems to be a happy drunk. | ||
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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nayumi
Australia6499 Posts
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
On June 03 2019 12:57 nayumi wrote: He's probably the best overall coach in the world right now because he can work with any player. I don't think that's true. He needs players that are willing to work hard for the team, I'm not sure how he'd fare with stars. I'd say Pep and Klopp are the 2 best coaches right now, but it's difficult to say who's better. Pep teams play better football and win more consistently, but he's also had better squads (until now, current Pool's 11 is the same quality as City imo). Klopp also needs to show if he can win over longer periods of time like Pep. I'm actually very curious to see if Liverpool can perform at this level for much longer given that they'll probably lose some hunger after this CL (although the league seems to be their priority). | ||
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sharkie
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evilfatsh1t
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WillyWanker
France1915 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
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XPA
Germany242 Posts
On June 03 2019 16:09 WillyWanker wrote: What was it in Dortmund, a 2 years peak? The end wasn't that great, was it? And with Liverpool it's only been a season and a half, and last season they ended 25 points below City. Lesser squads, but also lesser performances. Not that it makes him a worse coach, I'm just saying he has yet to show he can do it longer. His playstyle is very demanding and I'm very curious to see if he can do it. In Dortmund, he had the excuse his best players got signed by Bayern but at Liverpool he can sign almost anybody and retain his best players. Before Klopp joined Dortmund ended the season at rank 13 while being in danger of relegation for large parts of the season. The placements under Klopp were 6,5,1,1,2,2,7. Both second place seasons were around 10 points weaker compared to the winning seasons. But one of them included the run to the UCL finals so still a really good season for that dortmund team, the other one at least included a cup final. All of that while losing players like Götze and Lewandowski. The 2014/15 season was a weird one. At winter Dortmund was ranked 18th for two games. While that seems like a disastrous season it was one of the weirdest i´ve ever seen. There were so many games for Dortmund were dominating and having great chances just to miss them and concide one counter attack. The jokes about every opponents goalkeepers having their best day of the season against Dortmund were unreal. Expected goals actually rated Dortmund as 4th best team in the league while they were at the bottom. Surely a run like this can not only be attributed to bad luck and there were other factors involved but i think you shouldnt value the season too much. Im convined Klopp can build a team with a bright future at Liverpool. While nobody should expect <95 points and cl finale every year they will always be part of the title race and a contender for cl imo. | ||
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Harris1st
Germany6969 Posts
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bluzi
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gTank
Austria2584 Posts
On June 03 2019 17:19 Harris1st wrote: The final beeing terrible was expected. Klopp has lost so many finals because he sticked to his all attacking style. This time he just played it safe and won, so kudos to him Well its easy to play that way when you get a pen 1 minute into the game. I think it would have been a better game if it had not started 1:0 for Liverpool so early. | ||
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Bacillus
Finland1973 Posts
On June 03 2019 17:19 Harris1st wrote: The final beeing terrible was expected. Klopp has lost so many finals because he sticked to his all attacking style. This time he just played it safe and won, so kudos to him It's probably also quite rough for the English clubs to play a straining schedule for 8 months, then take a 3+ week break and then play a high pressure game in foreign country. As much as they're professionals, there's a reason why preseason friendlies and such are a thing. Teams from elsewhere obviously have to cope with the same break, but I don't think any other league pushes it quite as far with the constant nonstop games through the christmas period and all that. Edit: I'm talking about the sloppy mistakes here. Defensive play was to be expected, but I don't think it really excuses the unforced errors and such. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8711 Posts
On June 03 2019 17:40 bluzi wrote: There is no way not to rank Klopp in the tip top tier of coaches (if not the best) , his run in Dortmund was amazing considering the players and the club situation at the time , saying his teams are inconsistent is crazy talk (not trying to offend anyone) , Liverpool are consistent ,and they play their best football in recent years , the CL finals back 2 back is not consistent ? the team improved and improved and they are now peaking , he doesn't have the budget or star drawing power of the biggest clubs like Pep had/has (Liverpool loosing Suarez and Coutihnio is an example that they are not considered by players to be the top pick) , not to mention that City is failing in CL year after year so you can say Pep is not consistent , but that as well will be wrong to say as he has amazing results , you can't win them all (and that's the best part of sport) and So I consider Klopp to be tip top tier for a long time now. i dont doubt that hes a top tier coach, i just have doubts whether his team can keep their performances up for as long as other great teams have. and speaking of consistency, cl runs are the worst way to judge that. looking at league performances throughout the season is a much better measurement and liverpool has been woeful at times, not to mention the fact that they didnt even come close to challenging last season. 2 cl finals in a row is great, but anything can happen in tournaments. rm won 3 cl titles in a row but you wont hear anyone on this thread say that they have been consistently good for the 3 years they won the cl titles. also, the very fact that tottenham of all the teams made the finals is evidence that tournament runs mean nothing when judging consistent performances. | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On June 03 2019 18:57 evilfatsh1t wrote: i dont doubt that hes a top tier coach, i just have doubts whether his team can keep their performances up for as long as other great teams have. and speaking of consistency, cl runs are the worst way to judge that. looking at league performances throughout the season is a much better measurement and liverpool has been woeful at times, not to mention the fact that they didnt even come close to challenging last season. 2 cl finals in a row is great, but anything can happen in tournaments. rm won 3 cl titles in a row but you wont hear anyone on this thread say that they have been consistently good for the 3 years they won the cl titles. also, the very fact that tottenham of all the teams made the finals is evidence that tournament runs mean nothing when judging consistent performances. If someone thinks Real Madrid were not great the last few seasons , then they should get their head checked , reaching such a volatile (as you claim) tournament and winning it is nothing short from amazing and consistent , the top tier teams always go pass the group stages , sure the KO stage has some surprises , but usually the best are reaching the top , league is a bit different , you usually need to rely on your bench which Liverpool is lacking when compared to City for example , playing a full CL and league season is very demanding , and Real for example would at some point give up on the league and focus on CL. They would finish 2nd , or 3rd (if they gave up early enough). Deciding to pick Tottenham as a marker for a "look who reachs the final" is not fair , as its an outlier and usually we have the best teams in the top 4/8. So overall I do think CL is long enough and has enough depth to say something about the teams that play there and give us indications on who are the best teams in the continent. Looking at Liverpool premier league performance and saying its woeful is another statement I cannot get behind , in any other season the amount of points they had would EASILY win them a championship , so happens they had City as a rival. | ||
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