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Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then?
On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least.
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On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least.
He did ok with Barcelona: he just brought all of Ajax there :/
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On August 23 2018 03:05 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. He did ok with Barcelona: he just brought all of Ajax there :/
I remember that when I was a kid, when Barcelona was full of dutch players.
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On August 23 2018 04:47 haitike wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 03:05 Acrofales wrote:On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. He did ok with Barcelona: he just brought all of Ajax there :/ I remember that when I was a kid, when Barcelona was full of dutch players.
Thats why I started liking the team lol.. look at all these Dutch players on Barca they were so good in the WC
And theres Rivaldo ..and they are champions.. All of the reasons are surprisingly fickle but thats how these things go. Thats why I dont judge newer fans for teams they support.
Right before a few years of Mediocrity with teams like Depo and Valencia being better lol..
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La Liga players threaten to go on strike in order to avoid playing in the US:
http://www.espn.com/soccer/spanish-primera-division/story/3607083/la-liga-players-unanimously-against-game-in-us-and-cant-rule-out-strike
Captains and players representing the Spanish top-division clubs, including Real Madrid's Sergio Ramos and Barcelona's Sergio Busquets, met on Wednesday afternoon in Madrid to discuss La Liga's plans to stage a game in the United States as early as this season, among other issues.
"The players are outraged, very surprised, and are all against it. It's unanimous," Spanish Footballers' Association (AFE) president David Aganzo said after the meeting, which lasted an hour.
"The players don't want to play overseas. Things have to be done in a more coherent way and with common sense. A decision of this magnitude, that affects players, referees and fans, was taken unilaterally and is a lack of respect."
Aganzo could not rule out the possibility of a work stoppage when asked if the players' union is willing to strike over the issue.
"I have information that there are certain clubs that are in favour and others against this, but I represent the players," Aganzo said. "We need to sort this out with the union, and we will tell them all of our problems. If, from then on and after a few days, they don't answer, then we will have to solve the situation.
"We are going to try to see that it doesn't reach that extreme [of a strike]. But we are willing to go right to the last option if it is necessary."
Source
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least.
Exactly that is the same for me, yet he has bought awful defenders in Baily and Lindelof at Yanited, Jones and Smalling never fit enough for a full season. Valencia is "workable" as a right back and Shaw is very hit and miss. He needs 2 world class centre backs and he asked for some this window and Woodward failed to deliver.
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On August 23 2018 06:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:La Liga players threaten to go on strike in order to avoid playing in the US: http://www.espn.com/soccer/spanish-primera-division/story/3607083/la-liga-players-unanimously-against-game-in-us-and-cant-rule-out-strikeShow nested quote +Captains and players representing the Spanish top-division clubs, including Real Madrid's Sergio Ramos and Barcelona's Sergio Busquets, met on Wednesday afternoon in Madrid to discuss La Liga's plans to stage a game in the United States as early as this season, among other issues.
"The players are outraged, very surprised, and are all against it. It's unanimous," Spanish Footballers' Association (AFE) president David Aganzo said after the meeting, which lasted an hour.
"The players don't want to play overseas. Things have to be done in a more coherent way and with common sense. A decision of this magnitude, that affects players, referees and fans, was taken unilaterally and is a lack of respect."
Aganzo could not rule out the possibility of a work stoppage when asked if the players' union is willing to strike over the issue.
"I have information that there are certain clubs that are in favour and others against this, but I represent the players," Aganzo said. "We need to sort this out with the union, and we will tell them all of our problems. If, from then on and after a few days, they don't answer, then we will have to solve the situation.
"We are going to try to see that it doesn't reach that extreme [of a strike]. But we are willing to go right to the last option if it is necessary." Source
They have nothing to gain from this
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On August 23 2018 06:25 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:La Liga players threaten to go on strike in order to avoid playing in the US: http://www.espn.com/soccer/spanish-primera-division/story/3607083/la-liga-players-unanimously-against-game-in-us-and-cant-rule-out-strikeShow nested quote +Captains and players representing the Spanish top-division clubs, including Real Madrid's Sergio Ramos and Barcelona's Sergio Busquets, met on Wednesday afternoon in Madrid to discuss La Liga's plans to stage a game in the United States as early as this season, among other issues.
"The players are outraged, very surprised, and are all against it. It's unanimous," Spanish Footballers' Association (AFE) president David Aganzo said after the meeting, which lasted an hour.
"The players don't want to play overseas. Things have to be done in a more coherent way and with common sense. A decision of this magnitude, that affects players, referees and fans, was taken unilaterally and is a lack of respect."
Aganzo could not rule out the possibility of a work stoppage when asked if the players' union is willing to strike over the issue.
"I have information that there are certain clubs that are in favour and others against this, but I represent the players," Aganzo said. "We need to sort this out with the union, and we will tell them all of our problems. If, from then on and after a few days, they don't answer, then we will have to solve the situation.
"We are going to try to see that it doesn't reach that extreme [of a strike]. But we are willing to go right to the last option if it is necessary." Source
lol i called it.
i get mou needs backing from woodward but i can see why woodward doesnt want to give him the players. hes bought 2 cbs already and hes asking for 2 more. the obvious rebuttal question is "why arent you using the ones you have". tbh i dont think mou has a good enough answer; if the 2 he bought arent up to standard that is entirely mous fault, either due to his lack of judgment or lack of coaching. naturally this means we cant guarantee the next cb signings will work out for us. also, we had one of the best defense in the league last season. its not really a problem area imo and the players showing poor performances are probably due to other factors not their personal skill.
the bigger problem is mous man management and attacking tactics. he doesnt instill confidence in his players well and our attacking is nowhere near as fluid as they should be. i like what ferdinand said about fergies teams vs every united team after. fergies teams didnt care about their opponents (obviously barring big away/cl games). they did their own thing and had the confidence that they would win regardless. nowadays united teams set up to block the opponent and dont try to dominate the game from the beginning. thats low-mid table mentality
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On August 23 2018 08:35 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. Exactly that is the same for me, yet he has bought awful defenders in Baily and Lindelof at Yanited, Jones and Smalling never fit enough for a full season. Valencia is "workable" as a right back and Shaw is very hit and miss. He needs 2 world class centre backs and he asked for some this window and Woodward failed to deliver.
Pretty sure the commentators were praising Baily and Lindelof during the Leicester game. I'm sure they were just having an off day, it's not like they are terrible defenders. This is the same defense that kept 18 clean sheets last season.
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On August 23 2018 16:52 Dante08 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 08:35 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. Exactly that is the same for me, yet he has bought awful defenders in Baily and Lindelof at Yanited, Jones and Smalling never fit enough for a full season. Valencia is "workable" as a right back and Shaw is very hit and miss. He needs 2 world class centre backs and he asked for some this window and Woodward failed to deliver. Pretty sure the commentators were praising Baily and Lindelof during the Leicester game. I'm sure they were just having an off day, it's not like they are terrible defenders. This is the same defense that kept 18 clean sheets last season.
On paper it's probably an upgrade to last season if Bailly isn't injured half of the season.
I do wonder if the transfermarket drama with Mourinho affects the players. It can't be too good for the player-manager relationship when Mourinho media game seems to be saying "you're only playing because I didn't get the players I wanted". There's a reason why many managers will defend their players in public no matter the performance.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
The back 4 pairing was mainly Jones/Smalling + Baily when he was fit when they had those clean sheets. Lindelof was only used when all others injured. He has been woeful. Baily has pace but needs experience next to him to help him out. Like i said Smalling and Jones injured so much and Baily had a bad spell with injuries last season, i don't know if he is injury prone player like Smalling and Jones though. That is why Mourinho was chasing Alderweireld, Maguire, Godin a few names there was more. Those would go into team straight away and in the case of Alderweireld he was a very "easy" target as surely Spurs would have sold if the money that was offered was good enough because they do not play him anymore he is on the bench all the time.
But anyway, we shall see what happens, Mourinho needs to coach now he has to get these players working better defensively or they might struggle top 4 / he will leave.
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Norway28792 Posts
On August 23 2018 17:34 Bacillus wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 16:52 Dante08 wrote:On August 23 2018 08:35 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. Exactly that is the same for me, yet he has bought awful defenders in Baily and Lindelof at Yanited, Jones and Smalling never fit enough for a full season. Valencia is "workable" as a right back and Shaw is very hit and miss. He needs 2 world class centre backs and he asked for some this window and Woodward failed to deliver. Pretty sure the commentators were praising Baily and Lindelof during the Leicester game. I'm sure they were just having an off day, it's not like they are terrible defenders. This is the same defense that kept 18 clean sheets last season. On paper it's probably an upgrade to last season if Bailly isn't injured half of the season. I do wonder if the transfermarket drama with Mourinho affects the players. It can't be too good for the player-manager relationship when Mourinho media game seems to be saying "you're only playing because I didn't get the players I wanted". There's a reason why many managers will defend their players in public no matter the performance.
yea like I feel like this is perhaps the biggest key difference between early mourinho and later mourinho. It used to be his team against the world, like he was deflecting all the attention off the players and onto himself. But then his ego just.. became even more out of control, and it stopped being about his teams, but about himself. So he has to justify his failures - not justify the failures of his team, and then instead of blaming team-external factors like the referee or media or whatever, he blames himself-external factors, like his players. And at least my impression has been that during this phase, he has basically started losing the dressing room. The players he had during his spell at Inter or first run at Chelsea loved him. He brought a couple Porto players with him - so I assume they liked him, too. But basically since he went to RM, which seemed to be his turning point, he's been less and less loved by his players, and more and more outwardly critical towards them.
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On August 23 2018 21:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 17:34 Bacillus wrote:On August 23 2018 16:52 Dante08 wrote:On August 23 2018 08:35 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. Exactly that is the same for me, yet he has bought awful defenders in Baily and Lindelof at Yanited, Jones and Smalling never fit enough for a full season. Valencia is "workable" as a right back and Shaw is very hit and miss. He needs 2 world class centre backs and he asked for some this window and Woodward failed to deliver. Pretty sure the commentators were praising Baily and Lindelof during the Leicester game. I'm sure they were just having an off day, it's not like they are terrible defenders. This is the same defense that kept 18 clean sheets last season. On paper it's probably an upgrade to last season if Bailly isn't injured half of the season. I do wonder if the transfermarket drama with Mourinho affects the players. It can't be too good for the player-manager relationship when Mourinho media game seems to be saying "you're only playing because I didn't get the players I wanted". There's a reason why many managers will defend their players in public no matter the performance. yea like I feel like this is perhaps the biggest key difference between early mourinho and later mourinho. It used to be his team against the world, like he was deflecting all the attention off the players and onto himself. But then his ego just.. became even more out of control, and it stopped being about his teams, but about himself. So he has to justify his failures - not justify the failures of his team, and then instead of blaming team-external factors like the referee or media or whatever, he blames himself-external factors, like his players. And at least my impression has been that during this phase, he has basically started losing the dressing room. The players he had during his spell at Inter or first run at Chelsea loved him. He brought a couple Porto players with him - so I assume they liked him, too. But basically since he went to RM, which seemed to be his turning point, he's been less and less loved by his players, and more and more outwardly critical towards them.
Yeah. There was even some retired Premier League ref that mentioned in an interview that Mourinho was initially a really pleasant manager to cooperate and then went on to point out that on the 2nd Chelsea tour things had changed.
Either he never really got comfortable with the Guardiola rivalry at La Liga or his egoistic and bitter aspects otherwise slowly took over, but the turnaround definitely seems to have happended somewhere between the Chelsea spells.
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On August 23 2018 21:22 Liquid`Drone wrote:Show nested quote +On August 23 2018 17:34 Bacillus wrote:On August 23 2018 16:52 Dante08 wrote:On August 23 2018 08:35 Pandemona wrote:On August 23 2018 02:56 Ysellian wrote:Christ LvG was bad, wasn't he? I guess he's always been more of a youth academy kind of guy and he was notoriously shitty with Brazilians. I didn't follow Barcelona much when I was young, but I guess he had similar issues then? On August 23 2018 00:10 Pandemona wrote:
Mourinho has never had a "style" other than to win, by any means. Parking bus or getting 2-0 up and taking best players off to rest them knowing game over etc.
I feel Mourinho's style has always been building a game plan based on a strong defense. His first stint at Chelsea was obviously very businesslike, he reinvented catenaccio at Inter, Madrid were the perfect counter attacking team etc. I mean it's not the most attractive thing in the world, but I'd say it's something at least. Exactly that is the same for me, yet he has bought awful defenders in Baily and Lindelof at Yanited, Jones and Smalling never fit enough for a full season. Valencia is "workable" as a right back and Shaw is very hit and miss. He needs 2 world class centre backs and he asked for some this window and Woodward failed to deliver. Pretty sure the commentators were praising Baily and Lindelof during the Leicester game. I'm sure they were just having an off day, it's not like they are terrible defenders. This is the same defense that kept 18 clean sheets last season. On paper it's probably an upgrade to last season if Bailly isn't injured half of the season. I do wonder if the transfermarket drama with Mourinho affects the players. It can't be too good for the player-manager relationship when Mourinho media game seems to be saying "you're only playing because I didn't get the players I wanted". There's a reason why many managers will defend their players in public no matter the performance. yea like I feel like this is perhaps the biggest key difference between early mourinho and later mourinho. It used to be his team against the world, like he was deflecting all the attention off the players and onto himself. But then his ego just.. became even more out of control, and it stopped being about his teams, but about himself. So he has to justify his failures - not justify the failures of his team, and then instead of blaming team-external factors like the referee or media or whatever, he blames himself-external factors, like his players. And at least my impression has been that during this phase, he has basically started losing the dressing room. The players he had during his spell at Inter or first run at Chelsea loved him. He brought a couple Porto players with him - so I assume they liked him, too. But basically since he went to RM, which seemed to be his turning point, he's been less and less loved by his players, and more and more outwardly critical towards them.
Exactly, Mourinho used to act like a lightning rod for his team but now that his ego has overtaken him, he's using his team as a scapegoat. Back then he could stimulate a player with a smart burn in front of the press but that's no longer the case. It's how it is, the best coaches rarely have a long carreer before they become a caricature of themselves (Ancelotti for exemple). This job is exhausting and Mourinho reached the limit, he has to acknowledge it.
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Haven't seen Ajax uniform for a while in Ukraine Oo
I also wasn't able to find a single fan club of Ajax in Ukraine, so it looks weird to me also.
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Norway28792 Posts
So last season, Rosenborg bought Samuel Adegbenro before the europa league qualification against Ajax. He ended up scoring once in the first game, 10 minutes after being subbed on, and twice in the regame, which was his first full match, and basically made us qualify through those goals - the qualification alone being worth more than twice what we paid for him.
Sadly, he's been injured most of the season. But we bought this other guy a week ago. First he played a game last weekend where he scored a goal, and then, 10 minutes into his home debut and his europa league debut, he gives us this
https://streamja.com/bevv
3-0 after half time so looks like we're gonna qualify again. And I think 'qualifying for europa league' is basically the metric for a successful season, these days.
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On August 24 2018 00:39 Dav1oN wrote:Haven't seen Ajax uniform for a while in Ukraine Oo I also wasn't able to find a single fan club of Ajax in Ukraine, so it looks weird to me also.
You'll see the Ajax uniform in Ukraine next week when they come to kick Kiev's ass in the away game too 
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On August 24 2018 04:50 Liquid`Drone wrote:So last season, Rosenborg bought Samuel Adegbenro before the europa league qualification against Ajax. He ended up scoring once in the first game, 10 minutes after being subbed on, and twice in the regame, which was his first full match, and basically made us qualify through those goals - the qualification alone being worth more than twice what we paid for him. Sadly, he's been injured most of the season. But we bought this other guy a week ago. First he played a game last weekend where he scored a goal, and then, 10 minutes into his home debut and his europa league debut, he gives us this https://streamja.com/bevv3-0 after half time so looks like we're gonna qualify again. And I think 'qualifying for europa league' is basically the metric for a successful season, these days.
oh thats gorgeous..
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