On December 23 2017 01:23 JimmiC wrote: So he is a below average starter, who might some day be a allstar but wont ever be the greatest of all time. I mean that could describe 99% of young starters in the league.
the last time you got specific about Wiggins you stated he was an above average player. my claim is very very specific. he is a below average starting small forward and somewhere between the 18th and 21st best starting small forward in the NBA.
On December 23 2017 01:23 JimmiC wrote: So he is a below average starter, who might some day be a allstar but wont ever be the greatest of all time. I mean that could describe 99% of young starters in the league.
OG, Tatum, and Simmons are 3 starters younger than Wiggins and above average. so i don't know if "99% of young starters" in the league are below average. you'd also have to clearly define "young" for a productive discussion.
On December 23 2017 01:23 JimmiC wrote: Then repeatedly jamming your RAPM lust down our throat doest help.
On December 23 2017 01:23 JimmiC wrote: Especially when you backup with your "EYE test" which 100% matches rapm and you say thongs like klove looks like a average defender to me.
my eye test on love could be wrong because i don't watch him much. i already stated that.
On December 23 2017 01:23 JimmiC wrote: Especially when you backup with your "EYE test" which 100% matches rapm and you say thongs like klove looks like a average defender to me.
no it doesn't. not 100% of the time. the majority of the time RAPM is a solid measure. but not always.
i say Hill>Rubio>Teague. that does not match RAPM. in 2017 RAPM its Teague>Rubio>Hill. i've expounded on the limitations of RAPM already.
RAPM indicates Tatum and OG are very close. I disagree. I think Tatum is significantly better than OG due to his ball handling skills. Boston and Toronto don't use OG and Tatum as ball handlers so it can only rarely get captured by a stat.
Tatum is pretty damn slick with the ball... especially considering he is 19 and very tall.
These are just 2 disagreements i have with RAPM measures in 2017. i can continue. but i think u get the point.
On December 23 2017 01:23 JimmiC wrote:you also hedge your bet. So he is a below average starter, who might some day be a allstar but wont ever be the greatest of all time.
almost all players improve in their early 20s. my exact claims was it'll be 5 years before he becomes an all star.,, if ever. that is specific. and he'll be the kind of allstar demar was 3 years ago. a boxscore stat filler with weak defense. greatest of all time? my statements about his ceiling are far more specific than that. he doesn't even project ahead of Giannis, Tatum, Gordon, or OG.
On December 22 2017 17:49 JimmyJRaynor wrote: have you seen lowry's hand? LOL. Lowry is also on his 3rd black eye this year. That elbow from Covington was vicious... he'll have a shiner by tomorrow.
i'm predicting 5 black eyes for lowry this year. stitches in his face 6 times and 4 fat lips.
The Raptors have played the fewest home games at 12. Cavs and Boston ~17 home games.
That is an unlikely number of black eyes. My models show only a .5% chance of any guard getting 5 in one season. However, we cannot yet model lip injuries.
the Philadelphia 76ers home court looked pretty cool last night... and the joint was rockin' the crazy crowd made the Raptors 22 point comeback a little bit more impressive
On December 23 2017 03:14 JimmiC wrote: Simmons is a generational talent if he stays healthy he will likely be in the conversation every year for best playrr in the league.
Tatum looks to be real deal and i would probably trade wiggins for him, when you consider contract. That being said id rather have wiggins the fultz or ball.
so if we include Giannis (2 months older), Simmons (younger), and Tatum(way younger) as young starters who are above average or better we'd need 300 below average young starters to make your 99% comment accurate.
i'll just assume the 99% thing was hyperbole to make a point rather than a thoughtful analysis of young starters.
On December 23 2017 03:14 JimmiC wrote: Also if wiggins is the 19th best sf in the league at 22nd why is he so bad? You will write insulting posts and jabs at him then you post hes fine. It is pretty ridiculous.
my below average comment is in contrast to your last comment that he was above average. you usually keep things very vague though.
On December 23 2017 03:14 JimmiC wrote: Also if wiggins is the 19th best sf in the league at 22nd why is he so bad? You will write insulting posts and jabs at him then you post hes fine. It is pretty ridiculous.
you're probably being sensitive because i make jokes about Lowry all the time and from an analytical perspective i think he is one of the top 5 point guards in the NBA. Furthermore, he is, by far, the least gifted with god given talent than any top 5 point guard. Westbrook has more talent in his pinky finger than Lowry has in his whole body.
so as you can see i think pretty highly of Lowry ... and at the same time i make jokes about how he looks more like a Maple Leaf in the middle of a Pat Quinn 7-game playoff series hockey war than a basketball player floating through another regular season game.
it appears that measuring Wiggins' play has finally come to a healthy conclusion... so i'm happy with that.
On December 23 2017 03:14 JimmiC wrote: OG is really out performing his draft position. But slow your roll. He had a career high of 20 the other day and was very efficient. But then last night he had a stinker.
a stinker? i'd say he was average to above average on the offensive end and above average on the defensive end. the Raptors are on a back-to-back, he is coming off ACL surgery and he played 30 minutes last night. So with an 11 man rotation at his disposal Casey dialed back on OG's minutes.
regarding his shooting..."almost nobody who started their career as hot as OG Anunoby from 3 wound up a bad shooter"
On December 22 2017 21:02 Twinkle Toes wrote: JJ you are being a lazy troll if you cant even make a proper defense of your claims.
There is a certain irony in that this comment is coming from a guy who eats a temp ban every 2 weeks...
You and JimmiC clutter up this entire thread with your constant badgering of JJ over his use of stats even when he posts without referencing a single statistic. Dude posts about how a guy's technique is improving and JimmiC responds with pointless attacks on RAPM and how JJ doesn't know what he's talking about, and it's really fucking annoying.
Like, can either of you point to some instances where he's been flat-out wrong in his analyses of a player? Jimmi likes to use PPat as an example but ignores the fact that the guy suffered a pretty serious knee injury last year. Both of you seem to forget that defense is even a thing a player needs to do, and meanwhile most of what I've read from JJ ends up being pretty accurate, even when I initially disagree with him.
Why do you guys feel the need to make it so personal? Especially when most of your takes are horrendous and based on nothing but a few highlights and offensive box scores? The two of you come across like bad sports call-in listeners using shitty cliches like "gravity" and "basketball IQ" while criticising player's rankings based on their twitter etiquette. It's like watching the three stooges post at each other and shitters up this entire thread because 2 guys won't just let a guy have an opinion.
the RJ and Wiggins stuff is way off. my comments on those two were and are far more precise.
any how, how is that Memphis coaching change going ? Fizdale was 7 - 5 with Conley, 0 - 7 without Conley. Bickerstaff is 2 - 11 (all without Conley)
Memphis is shuffling the deck chairs on the titanic.
Watching the Charlotte//Milwaukee game ... i don't think a player can call a time out while airbourne holding the ball and beyond the boundary line. and yet, a Buck player was granted a TO that way. oh well.
yeah I think it's only a matter of time until Mark gets shipped off... but to where? Maybe Portland? Something involving the likes of Nurkic and Turner?
i think memphis was blinded the last few years by the mirage of their over achieving team, thinking that they had a shot at the championship. now they're stuck with conley for 4 more years, parsons 3 more years, and if they keep gasol, pretty much 3 years still guaranteed, i dont think he'll opt out unless he's willing to take less elsewhere as a free agent.
btw is the raptors sticking with their preseason goal of shooing more 3s? i remember one preseason game they shot like 50 3s.
houston back to back losses with harden scoring 51. lul
Lonzo Ball now has a better 3 point shooting percentage than Andrew Wiggins.
i feel sorry for Charlotte. it seems like almost all of their losses are last minute.
On December 23 2017 12:39 zev318 wrote: btw is the raptors sticking with their preseason goal of shooing more 3s? i remember one preseason game they shot like 50 3s.
their informal goal is 30 3s per game and 25 assists per game.
when ball movement is sluggish Casey replaces a forward with a point guard giving him 2 PGs.
Tendonitis is brutal... i battled it for 2 years. it ain't fun. make a few wrong moves and you can be set back by weeks. and when it starts to get better you never really know what your new and higher "activity ceiling" is until you hit it and the tendon inflames again.
On December 23 2017 12:39 zev318 wrote: i think memphis was blinded the last few years by the mirage of their over achieving team, thinking that they had a shot at the championship. now they're stuck with conley for 4 more years, parsons 3 more years, and if they keep gasol, pretty much 3 years still guaranteed, i dont think he'll opt out unless he's willing to take less elsewhere as a free agent.
btw is the raptors sticking with their preseason goal of shooing more 3s? i remember one preseason game they shot like 50 3s.
houston back to back losses with harden scoring 51. lul
I mean not all teams subscribe to championship or bust. After all they are businesses that need to fill seats, and they have been doing that quite well. Their teams from 2010s to now have always had good showings in the playoffs. They definitely had a great team culture going with their lineup Zbo, Marc, Tony Allen, and Conley, and the city supported it.
Early today, Celtic's coach Stevens said he was going to use Jayson Tatum in their offense more. I think this is a good move. A day or two ago i noted Tatum is not used as a ball carrier and/or decision-maker/distributor. Up until today that was true.
Welp, Tatum got 5 assists today and looked very, very good. He is a very skilled ball handler for his size.
I think he is already a top 10 small forward in the NBA. He just looked fucking awesome today and with his added responsibilities running some of the offense the Celtic's offense made a quantum leap improvement. If he continues doing less spot-up shooting i think his percentages will fall. However, he'll create more for every one else in the offense... and the over all offense will be better for it.
might be the best i've seen the celtics offense look all year.
Right now, Anunoby's RPM is 2.92 while Tatum's is 2.09. As long as Boston let's Tatum keep running some plays and uses him as more than just a spot-up shooter i think his RPM will be better than Anunoby's.
On December 24 2017 15:24 Jerubaal wrote: Well, they lost money last year (net income) so...
according to Forbes their operating income was ~$10 million from 2014-2016 and was still positive last year. So they had been making money during their grid and grind period. For such a small market team, they do pretty well and their attendance tends to be ok.
That being said, giving Chandler Parsons a max was probably the worst move by any team in recent history...
i can't see Cleveland beating a healthy Warriors team in the playoffs.
should Derozan's recent 3 point barrage be a permanent part of his game .. and i think it will be.. i also can't see Cleveland beating a healthy Toronto team in the playoffs either.
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