EPTNBA Season 2017-2018 - Page 51
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
On December 10 2017 03:36 Jerubaal wrote: -Usage Rate is a pretty simple calculation that estimates the percentage of a team's plays a particular player is involved in. That seems like a terrible explanation but that's the way it's worded. It's easy to understand though. It compares a players's FGA, FTA, minutes played, and turnovers to the team's overall values. that is a good "wordy" definition of the philosophy behind what Usage Rate is trying to measure. Basketball-Reference.com 's 1977 formula is a pretty weak estimate of Usage Rate though. There are several better calculation methods that are a substantial improvement on that 40 year old estimate. On December 10 2017 10:29 Twinkle Toes wrote: I don't get Usage Rate exactly. Do they assign differnt values depending on whether you set screens, initiated the pass, made the shot? How do they assign values to a player in each play? compared to more modern calculation methods the 1977 Usage Rate Formula on Basketball-Reference.com is a pretty poor estimate. i'd go with a method that manually counts actual possessions and chances like in the article i cited. the 1977 Usage Rate estimate is. 100 * ((FGA + 0.44 * FTA + TOV) * (Tm MP / 5)) / (MP * (Tm FGA + 0.44 * Tm FTA + Tm TOV)) probably, for 1977, this was a good estimate. but, for 2017 there are better ways to calculate Usage Rate. | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
it is a much closer estimate of "Usage Rate". there are others out there. any method that counts actual possessions rather than estimating possessions is a quantum leap improvement over the 1977 formula. also, i don't want to come off as if i'm trashing that basketball-reference.com formula. for 1977 that Usage Rate formula was a good first step. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Melo is a chucker who refuses to accept his decline and Russ is lazy off the ball. Shockers. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
On December 10 2017 10:29 Twinkle Toes wrote: I don't get Usage Rate exactly. Do they assign differnt values depending on whether you set screens, initiated the pass, made the shot? How do they assign values to a player in each play? They don't factor in screens and assists or anything like that. Just shots. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
On December 10 2017 11:56 Jerubaal wrote: They don't factor in screens and assists or anything like that. Just shots. and free throw attempts. because a free throw attempt indicates the player had a "chance" to score. uhhh wtf happened to Covington? | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 10 2017 11:56 Jerubaal wrote: They don't factor in screens and assists or anything like that. Just shots. I see. Is there a formula? | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 10 2017 12:38 JimmiC wrote: As much as Durrant gets shit on for leaving and called selfish. Dude is legit the best scorer in basketball, if he had melo or westbrook mind set he would haverage 10 more points per game 0 assists, shoot worse % and win more MVP awards. Durrant might be a weirdo on social media but dude is a team player and awesome TEAM basketball player. Fuck he defends awesome too. The way I see it, he is a child who grew so fast so soon in the age of social media. This explains the giddy awkwardness, the squiresultan shit and all the petty things he does. But you are right, he is the best scorer and one hell of a team player. And the best thing in the this Snek saga is that never did he once diss on Russ while Russ made it known publicly he hates KD. | ||
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Jerubaal
United States7684 Posts
Number of Chances = FGA + 0.44*FTA + TOV The non-estimated version is way too complex for me to figure out. | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
he was down a long time. http://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/76ers/sixers-robert-covington-lower-back-injury-cleveland-cavaliers-new-orleans-pelicans | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
On December 10 2017 14:05 Jerubaal wrote: This is the usage rate that estimates, without factoring in playing time Number of Chances = FGA + 0.44*FTA + TOV The non-estimated version is way too complex for me to figure out. Oh I see, so it really only takes into account the final instant of a play, ie, the shot attempt or to. It wouldn't ever be a good measure for certain type of players who also contribute greatly to the success of a play without being the "shot attempters", like Ariza, Beverly, Pippen, etc. What is the rationaly behind the 0.44? | ||
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Twinkle Toes
United States3605 Posts
20/14/11 on 7-29 (24%) FG / 1-12 (8%) 3P / 5-8 (63%) FT / 3 TOs | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
the frustrating part for fans prolly is that he is 100X more talented than a guy like Kyle Lowry... and yet the two are about equal as basketball players. i went to the Thunder//Raptors game last year and Westbrook has more talent in his pinky finger than Lowry has in his whole body. i never thought i'd say this about Lowry.. but .. LOL... i guess Lowry gets along with his coaches and his team mates better than Westbrook. Lowry arrived in Toronto as a "26 year old man-boy problem child" ... now the guy is a solid citizen. | ||
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BlackJack
United States10574 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada17500 Posts
Korver has publicly stated a few times that the change improved LBJ's shooting mechanics.. but every time he says it .. its hard to tell if he is being serious and really analyzing LBJ's shot or just trolling. On December 11 2017 04:42 JimmiC wrote:I think some think he is a team player because of assists but he strikes me of a rondo type who holds off on passes unless he can "score an assist". i don't watch every minute of every Thunder game, however, Westbrook shared the ball quite nicely in the game i attended. it didn't look like he was fishing for assists. | ||
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