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TerransHill
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany572 Posts
September 28 2017 20:21 GMT
#1561
On September 29 2017 05:00 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 04:50 Bacillus wrote:
I wonder if they already have someone secured. Even though the results have been less than ideal, sticking with Ancelotti might have been better than ending up in a limbo with some assistant manager who may or may not have enough authority to properly command the seasoned lineup Bayern have.

Despite the potential conflicts, it feels like it might be Tuchel time.

Höneß mentioned that Ancelotti had brought 5 very influential players at once against himself and they couldn't hold him anymore when he does that.
Speculated are Robbery, Hummely, Alaba as they were left out of the PSG squad + Lewa who has basically refused to shit at all on the pitch for weeks. Then the issues with Müller in the past weeks...
He was probably told to somehow keep control of the squad, and they felt that he lost it completely.


Lewa? He scored 7 goals in 6 matches in the Bundesliga. And he is basically untouchable and plays every game. He has no reason to be mad. Alaba wasn't left out in the match vs PSG.
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mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
September 28 2017 20:27 GMT
#1562
On September 29 2017 05:21 TerransHill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 05:00 mahrgell wrote:
On September 29 2017 04:50 Bacillus wrote:
I wonder if they already have someone secured. Even though the results have been less than ideal, sticking with Ancelotti might have been better than ending up in a limbo with some assistant manager who may or may not have enough authority to properly command the seasoned lineup Bayern have.

Despite the potential conflicts, it feels like it might be Tuchel time.

Höneß mentioned that Ancelotti had brought 5 very influential players at once against himself and they couldn't hold him anymore when he does that.
Speculated are Robbery, Hummely, Alaba as they were left out of the PSG squad + Lewa who has basically refused to shit at all on the pitch for weeks. Then the issues with Müller in the past weeks...
He was probably told to somehow keep control of the squad, and they felt that he lost it completely.


Lewa? He scored 7 goals in 6 matches in the Bundesliga. And he is basically untouchable and plays every game. He has no reason to be mad. Alaba wasn't left out in the match vs PSG.


Lewa hasn't be cheering with his mates since forever, the unauthorized SPIEGEL interview was not exactly nice towards Bayern and the Bayern leadership voiced their anger about it publicly. His contribution to the game in general has been lacking compared to his potential. Aborted sprints, ego trips, etc.

But sure, if the only stat you read are his goals scored, without having ever seen a Bayern game recently, you might have a point.

And sorry about Alaba. Meant Boateng, just had the defense mixed up.
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 28 2017 20:35 GMT
#1563
awesome week for german football. now even hoffenheim is behind 1-2 after leading 1-0.
mahrgell
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
Germany3943 Posts
September 28 2017 20:37 GMT
#1564
On September 29 2017 05:35 HolydaKing wrote:
awesome week for german football. now even hoffenheim is behind 1-2 after leading 1-0.


0W 0D 6L
The dream!

Who could be fired for this debacle? Maybe Rauball (German league president).

sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
September 28 2017 20:50 GMT
#1565
On September 29 2017 05:37 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 05:35 HolydaKing wrote:
awesome week for german football. now even hoffenheim is behind 1-2 after leading 1-0.


0W 0D 6L
The dream!

Who could be fired for this debacle? Maybe Rauball (German league president).


nah they'll use it as cause to drop 50+1
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
HolydaKing
Profile Joined February 2010
21254 Posts
September 28 2017 20:58 GMT
#1566
Lol. They really lost. ~_~
Stratos_speAr
Profile Joined May 2009
United States6959 Posts
September 28 2017 23:35 GMT
#1567
On September 29 2017 05:50 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 05:37 mahrgell wrote:
On September 29 2017 05:35 HolydaKing wrote:
awesome week for german football. now even hoffenheim is behind 1-2 after leading 1-0.


0W 0D 6L
The dream!

Who could be fired for this debacle? Maybe Rauball (German league president).


nah they'll use it as cause to drop 50+1


100% this.

When the richest club in Germany has a record transfer of only €40 million, the discussion about the lack of money in German football is gonna come real quick.
A sound mind in a sound body, is a short, but full description of a happy state in this World: he that has these two, has little more to wish for; and he that wants either of them, will be little the better for anything else.
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-28 23:57:51
September 28 2017 23:57 GMT
#1568
Football fans attach emotional significance to how many people turn up to watch their team play. We feel pride when our club packs out our home stands or takes a boisterous army on the road and we delight in mocking our rivals when clusters of empty seats punctuate their sections. Attendance ribbing is a time-honoured staple of supporter culture, albeit one now threatened by practices imported from the American sports industry.

A club’s attendance figures can be compared to the body’s heartbeat. They reflect overall health. Victories, defeats, goals scored and league position are key drivers behind a club’s popularity, but success on the pitch doesn’t necessarily translate into increased turnstile clicks. Stadium facilities must meet the needs of a diverse, modern-day support; directors need to follow a vision for the club that aligns with the fans’ expectations; sales and marketing departments have to capture the attention of the potential fanbase; and ticket prices need to be acceptable.

External factors also play a part: weather, kick-off times, competing events and so on. Today’s match reports feature all kinds of statistics – from ball possession and shots on goal to pass completion and distances covered – yet the attendance figure holds a unique magnetism that allows us to gauge the vitality of our clubs.

American sports executives have long operated under different rules, whereby the announced attendance frequently bears little relation to the number of people present. Clubs and leagues want to inflate their numbers. Higher crowds attract more lucrative sponsorship contracts. They persuade city officials to allocate taxpayers’ funds to new stadium projects for clubs owned by billionaires. They have prompted Major League Soccer to tout itself as the world’s sixth most popular league based on a deeply flawed comparison to global averages.

There are myriad ways in which American teams artificially enhance their popularity. Tickets sold are included in the attendance figure whether the purchaser turns up or not. This applies to season-ticket holders and those who obtain heavily discounted tickets, perhaps through group deals to youth organisations. And it’s not just tickets sold that count. Teams commonly give away tickets to sponsors, media outlets, employees, players and charities, sometimes with few of those allocated seats being used.

Teams at all levels of American soccer’s closed-league structure are under pressure to report growing attendance numbers. Chivas USA were struggling to meet MLS head office expectations in 2014, with their announced crowds plummeting to about 7,000 from almost 20,000 eight years earlier, so MLS shuttered the franchise at the end of that season in the same way McDonald’s would decommission an underperforming store.

The Empty Seats Galore Twitter account has become a regular nuisance to American franchises with its collation of photographs taken from sparsely populated stands. Houston Dynamo have become a particularly egregious attendance offender in MLS since moving into their 22,000-seat stadium in 2012. The Dynamo season-opener against the Seattle Sounders in March was announced as attracting a preposterous 20,758 fans. Second-tier Pittsburgh Riverhounds were mocked for claiming a record crowd of 4,297 had turned up at their Highmark Stadium in August 2015 when there were clearly unoccupied areas in their 3,500-seat venue. It’s like claiming 200 people attended your birthday party because you invited all your Facebook friends when in reality only 20 turned up. Nobody wants to appear unsuccessful.

America’s media expresses little interest in questioning crowds numbers but a few reporters have held clubs to account. In September 2013, the Orlando Sentinel newspaper alleged that Orlando City were averaging fewer than 4,000 fans despite their claims of surpassing 8,000. A record crowd of 10,697 had been announced for a game at the Florida Citrus Bowl when turnstile records maintained by city officials showed there were only 4,004 scanned tickets. At the time Orlando City was lobbying local council leaders for construction of a new soccer-specific stadium, partly financed by taxpayers, to enhance the club’s push to obtain an MLS franchise.

In November 2016 the weekly journal Business in Vancouver exposed overstated attendances at Vancouver Whitecaps games. The club had claimed an average attendance of 20,889 at the publicly owned BC Place Stadium that year, but records show the figure was 19% lower at 17,537. Stadium management was forced to disclose its attendance numbers after losing a three-year legal battle over a freedom of information request. Whitecaps executives had argued that actual attendances were proprietary information that would harm relationships with sponsors and broadcasters if disclosed.

Most fans in the US seem unfazed about clubs lying to them about attendance figures. “Everybody else does it,” is a typical excuse for a practice that may benefit a club if those fake numbers succeed in attracting income to invest in better players, better facilities and, presumably, higher bonuses and salaries for the executives peddling such falsities. Perhaps American fans have merely become desensitised to blatant distortions. After all, the White House press secretary blethered on about a record audience for the inauguration of Donald Trump.

Over the last few years the trend has spread to Europe, partly due to American investors buying into football clubs. Since Stan Kroenke became Arsenal’s largest shareholder in 2011, their fans have noticed some unlikely attendance figures. “It’s been a running joke that halfway through the second half, Arsenal will announce an attendance figure of around 60,000,” wrote Phil Wall of the Arsenal Supporters’ Trust in August 2014 after Metropolitan Police figures for the previous season showed that average crowds at the Emirates were 6,550 lower than the club claimed.

“It helps the team if the stadium is actually full rather than just pretending to be,” wrote Wall. “Better atmosphere, more backing for the team, more enjoyable for everyone. It’s a no-brainer.” The situation harms fans. Either they are unable to obtain a ticket when thousands of seats are lying unused or they are left in a stadium where the atmosphere is diluted. The clubs, however, might want to bolster attendance figures to justify soaring ticket prices.


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dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-29 01:19:36
September 29 2017 01:09 GMT
#1569
On September 29 2017 05:27 mahrgell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 05:21 TerransHill wrote:
On September 29 2017 05:00 mahrgell wrote:
On September 29 2017 04:50 Bacillus wrote:
I wonder if they already have someone secured. Even though the results have been less than ideal, sticking with Ancelotti might have been better than ending up in a limbo with some assistant manager who may or may not have enough authority to properly command the seasoned lineup Bayern have.

Despite the potential conflicts, it feels like it might be Tuchel time.

Höneß mentioned that Ancelotti had brought 5 very influential players at once against himself and they couldn't hold him anymore when he does that.
Speculated are Robbery, Hummely, Alaba as they were left out of the PSG squad + Lewa who has basically refused to shit at all on the pitch for weeks. Then the issues with Müller in the past weeks...
He was probably told to somehow keep control of the squad, and they felt that he lost it completely.


Lewa? He scored 7 goals in 6 matches in the Bundesliga. And he is basically untouchable and plays every game. He has no reason to be mad. Alaba wasn't left out in the match vs PSG.

And sorry about Alaba. Meant Boateng, just had the defense mixed up.


You racist!

-

Kind of sucks, with the way Dortmund are going we won't have any German team reaching the semis in UCL. I wonder what passed between Carlo and the players.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
September 29 2017 01:56 GMT
#1570
Really was a bad week for German teams
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28912 Posts
September 29 2017 02:06 GMT
#1571
haha. They did worse than Norway. I think that might very well be a first.
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nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 29 2017 03:22 GMT
#1572
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/09/28/sergio-aguero-car-accident-injury-ribs

First Mendy now Aguero?
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6324 Posts
September 29 2017 03:56 GMT
#1573
On September 29 2017 11:06 Liquid`Drone wrote:
haha. They did worse than Norway. I think that might very well be a first.

As bad as NL. Guess we're still rivals after all :/.
Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-29 06:11:55
September 29 2017 05:39 GMT
#1574
Took me a while to find Norway ㅋㅋ

Cyprus interestingly scoring more this year after only games than they have ever scored before.

edit: I need to amend that. I vaguely remember one year there were two Cyprus teams in the last 16.

edit 2: I now need to amend it again to use the correct demonym Cypriot and not Cyprus teams. Although the use of correct demonym's in football journalism died along time ago. Stop calling people 'the Argentina striker' instead of the ‘the Argentinean striker’. Claiming because he plays for Argentina that is correct doesn’t make it correct it’s just bad English and I hear it used for all players regardless if they play for their national team or not.

edit 3: I can't find any evidence of two teams in R016. Just 2011–12 APOEL went on a cracking run.

edit 4: Just realised that they go through quallfying and have played a lot more than just 2 games. Forget it. Everything I said was wrong.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 29 2017 07:46 GMT
#1575
On September 29 2017 12:22 nayumi wrote:
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/09/28/sergio-aguero-car-accident-injury-ribs

First Mendy now Aguero?

Yeah Mendy has an ACL "tear" probably out for 6 months minimum and Aguero just broke his ribs in a car accident. What he was doing in Amsterdam i don't know haha!
As Chelsea play them Saturday i would be pretty happy, however they have like 23 world class players so i don't think it makes them significantly weaker.
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
September 29 2017 08:08 GMT
#1576
On September 29 2017 16:46 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 29 2017 12:22 nayumi wrote:
https://www.si.com/soccer/2017/09/28/sergio-aguero-car-accident-injury-ribs

First Mendy now Aguero?

Yeah Mendy has an ACL "tear" probably out for 6 months minimum and Aguero just broke his ribs in a car accident. What he was doing in Amsterdam i don't know haha!
As Chelsea play them Saturday i would be pretty happy, however they have like 23 world class players so i don't think it makes them significantly weaker.

Perhaps not Mendy but losing Aguero for two months will definitely affect their performance I think. Jesus is great and all (not the Bible but the Brazilian guy) but Aguero is the one that you can depend on when it comes to scoring clutch goals.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 29 2017 08:12 GMT
#1577
True vs Chelsea the guy has an exceptional record too, always manages to put the ball in the net, so i concede losing him might be hard. However they will be able to tweak formation to probably a more preferred Pep way 1, striker and more midfielders behind.
Sane Sterling DeBruyne Silva Fernandinho will be starting im sure.
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haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2744 Posts
September 29 2017 08:33 GMT
#1578
On September 29 2017 10:56 Greg_J wrote:
Really was a bad week for German teams


It was quite bad for Spanish teams too (compared to usually). 2W 1D 3L.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 29 2017 08:51 GMT
#1579
England leading the way as usual we had few seasons of being bad but we back! Chelsea will lead the way on European ventures :D
ModeratorTeam Liquid Football Thread Guru! - Chelsea FC ♥
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 29 2017 09:50 GMT
#1580
What is German media saying this morning about Bayern job btw? Is Tuchel got a chance to get the job "soon" ? Or are they all saying Naglesmann is the man next summer?
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