EPTNBA Offseason 2017 - Page 34
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xwoGworwaTsx
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i see he still posts about abalytics here and there, but i can see that he is afraid someone will call him out again, so he is doing it in the most discreet way | ||
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xwoGworwaTsx
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On July 06 2017 22:48 Keyboard Warrior wrote: ^lol Anyway, here's a more relevant and meaningful post. I saw it on reddit and conducted an investigation myself, the results are eyeopening and completely shocking. Comparison of kobe and lebron in clutch situations. clutch here is defined as 2 minutes with at most 3 points. Op limited it to playoffs and finals, Playoffs: Kobe - 40/96 in clutch situations. - FT 67/79 - TS 58 % - Assists per 36: 4.3 assists - TO per 36: 1.7 turnovers Lebron - 40/106 in clutch situation - FT 49/67 - TS 49.8% - Assist per 36: 4.2 assists - TO per 36: 4.2 turnovers Finals: Kobe - 10/20 in clutch situations - FT 4/5 - TS 56.4% - Assists per 36: 7.5 assists - TO per 36: 1.5TO Lebron - 4/23 in clutch situations - TS 10/14 - TS 31% - Assists per 36: 3.7 assists - TO per 36: 3.7 assists In addition, i found out the following valuable "clutch" statistics as well Kobe USG% regular season: 31.4% Kobe USG% postseason: 39.8% lebron USG% regular season: 32.1% lebron USG% postseason: 26.3% Number of game winners/equalizers taken in clutch situations: Kobe: 18/24 lebron: 4/15 tldr: 1. Kobe is more clutch than lebron in clutch situations 2. Kobe is a BETTER PLAYMAKER than lebron in clucth situations 3. Kobe becomes more aggressive in clutch situations in the postseason compared to the regular season 4. lebron wilts in clutch situations in the postseason compared to the regular season 5. Kobe rises to the challenge to take the last shot in clutch situations: 75% 6. lebron is cowardly and hides from the challenge of taking the last shot in clutch situations: 27% stlsdr Kobe is clutch, lelbron is not. Kobe >>> lebron TAKE THAT FOR DATA! nice post. i think its pretty clear even from simple eye test how kobe has a lot more attempts at game winning situations than lebron. i can think of at least 10 game winning shots from kobe just from memory, while i can recall only 1 from lebron, and i recall that one only because there was much post-game talk about how he undermined blatts play (it was vs bulls iirc) regarding this post, this data will be greatly improved if we include his playmaking plays, ie, his drive and kickouts and contextualize his percentages had he proceeded to take the shot/layup himself. that will provide information on whether his playmakling passes such as the one where he passed to korver or irving recently were correct playmaking calls at all. this particular points highlights some room for improvement in analytics. kobe once stated that he would rather go 0/30 than 0/9. sports is as much about efficiency and mentality. i didnt watch kobe live, i was too young prime kobe early in 2000s, but my brother is a kobe fanatic. he is a chubby kid at the y who dares pull shimmies and turn around fade aways. or pump fake, pivot, throw the ball towards the board, rebound it and make the layup. and he would end up with friendship-ending debates with his close friends for the sake of defending kobe. he is that kind of a kobe fan. i am neutral on the issue, but kobe, as well as other clutch/killer mentality players demonstrate that not all stats points are equal. another player like this is ginobili. they are players who may go cold all game, but would make 2-3 straight buckets that would turn the game around or secure the win. | ||
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MassHysteria
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I don't think a salary dump trade like this really can look bad for the Raps either but it does seem like they gave up just a little too much. They of course went through all their options, I am sure, and decided this was the best way for them to get rid of salary. Let's see who they can get instead of Carroll now. edit: good visual and short-read on the PG and Butler trades http://fansided.com/2017/07/06/paul-george-jimmy-butler-price-small/ | ||
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BlackJack
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On July 06 2017 22:48 Keyboard Warrior wrote: ^lol Anyway, here's a more relevant and meaningful post. I saw it on reddit and conducted an investigation myself, the results are eyeopening and completely shocking. Comparison of kobe and lebron in clutch situations. clutch here is defined as 2 minutes with at most 3 points. Op limited it to playoffs and finals, Playoffs: Kobe - 40/96 in clutch situations. - FT 67/79 - TS 58 % - Assists per 36: 4.3 assists - TO per 36: 1.7 turnovers Lebron - 40/106 in clutch situation - FT 49/67 - TS 49.8% - Assist per 36: 4.2 assists - TO per 36: 4.2 turnovers Finals: Kobe - 10/20 in clutch situations - FT 4/5 - TS 56.4% - Assists per 36: 7.5 assists - TO per 36: 1.5TO Lebron - 4/23 in clutch situations - TS 10/14 - TS 31% - Assists per 36: 3.7 assists - TO per 36: 3.7 assists In addition, i found out the following valuable "clutch" statistics as well Kobe USG% regular season: 31.4% Kobe USG% postseason: 39.8% lebron USG% regular season: 32.1% lebron USG% postseason: 26.3% Number of game winners/equalizers taken in clutch situations: Kobe: 18/24 lebron: 4/15 tldr: 1. Kobe is more clutch than lebron in clutch situations 2. Kobe is a BETTER PLAYMAKER than lebron in clucth situations 3. Kobe becomes more aggressive in clutch situations in the postseason compared to the regular season 4. lebron wilts in clutch situations in the postseason compared to the regular season 5. Kobe rises to the challenge to take the last shot in clutch situations: 75% 6. lebron is cowardly and hides from the challenge of taking the last shot in clutch situations: 27% stlsdr Kobe is clutch, lelbron is not. Kobe >>> lebron TAKE THAT FOR DATA! FGs to tie or lead the game in the final 24 seconds of 4th quarter/OT (2000-present) Playoffs LeBron - 8/24 (.333) Kobe - 6/24 (.250) Regular season LeBron - 34/111 (.306) Kobe - 47/157 (.299) FGs to tie or lead the game in the final 60 seconds of 4th quarter/OT (2000-present) LeBron - 15/35 (.429) Kobe - 10/37 (.270) + Show Spoiler + ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/U8SMksl.png) | ||
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zev318
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On July 10 2017 01:53 BlackJack wrote: FGs to tie or lead the game in the final 24 seconds of 4th quarter/OT (2000-present) Playoffs LeBron - 8/24 (.333) Kobe - 6/24 (.250) Regular season LeBron - 34/111 (.306) Kobe - 47/157 (.299) FGs to tie or lead the game in the final 60 seconds of 4th quarter/OT (2000-present) LeBron - 15/35 (.429) Kobe - 10/37 (.270) + Show Spoiler + can u compare them up to their age 32 season only? i doubt the playoffs number would change much, more curious for reg season numbers | ||
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BlackJack
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On July 10 2017 02:07 zev318 wrote: can u compare them up to their age 32 season only? i doubt the playoffs number would change much, more curious for reg season numbers Kobe would be about 39-123 (.317). None of these numbers include his first few seasons because afaik basketball reference doesn't have play-by-play statistics for years before 2000. | ||
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BlackJack
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On July 10 2017 02:21 JimmiC wrote: Would you mind watching every game pre 2000 and adding them for our entertainment and curiosity? Here's some entertainment - our MVP is 17/78 in his reg. season career for a whopping .218 FG%. How many of those shots should have gone to KD? More importantly, how many more games would the Thunder have won if they did go to KD? Is there any wonder why he peaced out? Actually if we take out WB's numbers from last season (since KD wasn't there anyway) then he's 9/51 as a Thunder with KD as a teammate. That's .176 FG%. That's pretty bad. Even for the games that KD was injured there had to have been a towel boy or a trainer or a mascot that could have subbed in and at least gotten 10 makes out of 51. | ||
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MassHysteria
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On July 10 2017 03:10 JimmiC wrote: This next year will be great. If another top tier teammate peaces out it will say a lot. If you mean PG it will say nothing...his agent and him aren't doing this much work to not get what they are after. | ||
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