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On July 07 2017 07:52 JimmiC wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 07:43 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 02:52 andrewlt wrote:
He was around 50000 minutes played when he started breaking down. He was old and he played through injuries when just about every team is sitting even younger players with the same type of injuries. Bad landing mechanics is a very minuscule part of it.
For top 10, I'm thinking:
GSW, SAS, HOU, CLE, OKC, BOS, MIN, POR, DEN, MIL
I'm kinda shaky on the last 5 and I just threw the last 3 in. Denver really? I'm kinda OOTL, but did they land any major FA? On July 07 2017 05:06 ZenithM wrote:
I don't even know why JJ talks about post-2013 Kobe. Nobody who calls himself a "Kobe fan" would even mention those years as anything remotely significant in Kobe's carreer. That fucking "Lebron is clutchier than injury-years Kobe"... Like, no shit?
"But I saw Kobe chuck a lot of airballs and come down on his left foot when he was really old and tired!!!! Plus-Minus vanilla-chocolate XAPMVORPMPHOMG agree with me." You just sound like a very young basketball fan, JJ.
Kobe was arguably still the best player in the world in 2012-13. He had a nice long career, with a lot of season and playoff mileage, and his #8 and #24 years are both separate HoF careers. Why must you always bring up this "coming down on left foot" thing? Literally no other perimeter player played as many years as well as Kobe. He is a stupid troll. What surprises me is that he is not a kid anymore, what a shame. He just idiotically repeats things that he reads and watches. Another guy destroyed him because of the analytics. He hid from the challenge when he got called out. And now he is back using XAPM and shit again. Remember, this is the same guy who boasted about watching the games in person. Shameless, I say, shameless. Den got milsap, who is roundly underrated. I'm not sure that it pushes em to top 10. This has been a crazy offseason.
Like I said, I'm iffy on the last teams in my top 10. If memory serves correctly, Denver made a run in the second half of the season to barely miss the west playoffs. I'm guessing Utah and LAC slides back behind them. I'm thinking MEM slides back because their injury situation seem to keep getting worse every year. Then I'm thinking maybe DEN's young players improve more and the addition of Milsap give them a few more wins.
I supposed TOR or WAS could be better but I don't know if I want 4 east teams in my top 10.
On July 07 2017 23:54 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 23:44 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 23:37 ZenithM wrote:
Haha are we now throwing ban bets to whomever we don't like in this thread?
I don't want to see you guys banned :O. Not even JJ and KW!
Btw, that Heat top 2 East bet is crazy... They only gained a .127 WS/48, 1.0 VORP, 0.50 RPM player. JJ isn't taking that bet. Unless he went to watch live Celtics games, in which case he would have insights we don't get with our puny League Pass. Hahaha. And he could ask for tips from his scout uncle. I hear Olynyk is adept at two foot landings too (which, granted, is easier if you never jump). This looks more and more promising by the minute.
NBA should try to have an Olynyk vs Pachulia dunk contest.
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Cant wait to hear what jjtroll has to say about this bet
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On July 07 2017 23:57 andrewlt wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 07:52 JimmiC wrote:On July 07 2017 07:43 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 02:52 andrewlt wrote:
He was around 50000 minutes played when he started breaking down. He was old and he played through injuries when just about every team is sitting even younger players with the same type of injuries. Bad landing mechanics is a very minuscule part of it.
For top 10, I'm thinking:
GSW, SAS, HOU, CLE, OKC, BOS, MIN, POR, DEN, MIL
I'm kinda shaky on the last 5 and I just threw the last 3 in. Denver really? I'm kinda OOTL, but did they land any major FA? On July 07 2017 05:06 ZenithM wrote:
I don't even know why JJ talks about post-2013 Kobe. Nobody who calls himself a "Kobe fan" would even mention those years as anything remotely significant in Kobe's carreer. That fucking "Lebron is clutchier than injury-years Kobe"... Like, no shit?
"But I saw Kobe chuck a lot of airballs and come down on his left foot when he was really old and tired!!!! Plus-Minus vanilla-chocolate XAPMVORPMPHOMG agree with me." You just sound like a very young basketball fan, JJ.
Kobe was arguably still the best player in the world in 2012-13. He had a nice long career, with a lot of season and playoff mileage, and his #8 and #24 years are both separate HoF careers. Why must you always bring up this "coming down on left foot" thing? Literally no other perimeter player played as many years as well as Kobe. He is a stupid troll. What surprises me is that he is not a kid anymore, what a shame. He just idiotically repeats things that he reads and watches. Another guy destroyed him because of the analytics. He hid from the challenge when he got called out. And now he is back using XAPM and shit again. Remember, this is the same guy who boasted about watching the games in person. Shameless, I say, shameless. Den got milsap, who is roundly underrated. I'm not sure that it pushes em to top 10. This has been a crazy offseason. Like I said, I'm iffy on the last teams in my top 10. If memory serves correctly, Denver made a run in the second half of the season to barely miss the west playoffs. I'm guessing Utah and LAC slides back behind them. I'm thinking MEM slides back because their injury situation seem to keep getting worse every year. Then I'm thinking maybe DEN's young players improve more and the addition of Milsap give them a few more wins. I supposed TOR or WAS could be better but I don't know if I want 4 east teams in my top 10. Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 23:54 ZenithM wrote:On July 07 2017 23:44 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 23:37 ZenithM wrote:
Haha are we now throwing ban bets to whomever we don't like in this thread?
I don't want to see you guys banned :O. Not even JJ and KW!
Btw, that Heat top 2 East bet is crazy... They only gained a .127 WS/48, 1.0 VORP, 0.50 RPM player. JJ isn't taking that bet. Unless he went to watch live Celtics games, in which case he would have insights we don't get with our puny League Pass. Hahaha. And he could ask for tips from his scout uncle. I hear Olynyk is adept at two foot landings too (which, granted, is easier if you never jump). This looks more and more promising by the minute. NBA should try to have an Olynyk vs Pachulia dunk contest.
I really wonder about this too. How could some people play in the NBA and have neither skills nor athleticism.
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I really hope he accepts your bet. He is like a child at school who hears a nice joke from people at the back row, then proceeds to tell the joke to the entire class, claiming it is his. Problem for him is, the joke is bad, he is the joke, and he is not a child anymore.
I feel disgusted, sorry, and sad for him at the same time.
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On July 08 2017 00:02 Twinkle Toes wrote:Show nested quote +On July 07 2017 23:57 andrewlt wrote:On July 07 2017 07:52 JimmiC wrote:On July 07 2017 07:43 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 02:52 andrewlt wrote:
He was around 50000 minutes played when he started breaking down. He was old and he played through injuries when just about every team is sitting even younger players with the same type of injuries. Bad landing mechanics is a very minuscule part of it.
For top 10, I'm thinking:
GSW, SAS, HOU, CLE, OKC, BOS, MIN, POR, DEN, MIL
I'm kinda shaky on the last 5 and I just threw the last 3 in. Denver really? I'm kinda OOTL, but did they land any major FA? On July 07 2017 05:06 ZenithM wrote:
I don't even know why JJ talks about post-2013 Kobe. Nobody who calls himself a "Kobe fan" would even mention those years as anything remotely significant in Kobe's carreer. That fucking "Lebron is clutchier than injury-years Kobe"... Like, no shit?
"But I saw Kobe chuck a lot of airballs and come down on his left foot when he was really old and tired!!!! Plus-Minus vanilla-chocolate XAPMVORPMPHOMG agree with me." You just sound like a very young basketball fan, JJ.
Kobe was arguably still the best player in the world in 2012-13. He had a nice long career, with a lot of season and playoff mileage, and his #8 and #24 years are both separate HoF careers. Why must you always bring up this "coming down on left foot" thing? Literally no other perimeter player played as many years as well as Kobe. He is a stupid troll. What surprises me is that he is not a kid anymore, what a shame. He just idiotically repeats things that he reads and watches. Another guy destroyed him because of the analytics. He hid from the challenge when he got called out. And now he is back using XAPM and shit again. Remember, this is the same guy who boasted about watching the games in person. Shameless, I say, shameless. Den got milsap, who is roundly underrated. I'm not sure that it pushes em to top 10. This has been a crazy offseason. Like I said, I'm iffy on the last teams in my top 10. If memory serves correctly, Denver made a run in the second half of the season to barely miss the west playoffs. I'm guessing Utah and LAC slides back behind them. I'm thinking MEM slides back because their injury situation seem to keep getting worse every year. Then I'm thinking maybe DEN's young players improve more and the addition of Milsap give them a few more wins. I supposed TOR or WAS could be better but I don't know if I want 4 east teams in my top 10. On July 07 2017 23:54 ZenithM wrote:On July 07 2017 23:44 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 23:37 ZenithM wrote:
Haha are we now throwing ban bets to whomever we don't like in this thread?
I don't want to see you guys banned :O. Not even JJ and KW!
Btw, that Heat top 2 East bet is crazy... They only gained a .127 WS/48, 1.0 VORP, 0.50 RPM player. JJ isn't taking that bet. Unless he went to watch live Celtics games, in which case he would have insights we don't get with our puny League Pass. Hahaha. And he could ask for tips from his scout uncle. I hear Olynyk is adept at two foot landings too (which, granted, is easier if you never jump). This looks more and more promising by the minute. NBA should try to have an Olynyk vs Pachulia dunk contest. I really wonder about this too. How could some people play in the NBA and have neither skills nor athleticism.
Tallness
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On July 08 2017 04:39 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On July 08 2017 00:02 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 23:57 andrewlt wrote:On July 07 2017 07:52 JimmiC wrote:On July 07 2017 07:43 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 02:52 andrewlt wrote:
He was around 50000 minutes played when he started breaking down. He was old and he played through injuries when just about every team is sitting even younger players with the same type of injuries. Bad landing mechanics is a very minuscule part of it.
For top 10, I'm thinking:
GSW, SAS, HOU, CLE, OKC, BOS, MIN, POR, DEN, MIL
I'm kinda shaky on the last 5 and I just threw the last 3 in. Denver really? I'm kinda OOTL, but did they land any major FA? On July 07 2017 05:06 ZenithM wrote:
I don't even know why JJ talks about post-2013 Kobe. Nobody who calls himself a "Kobe fan" would even mention those years as anything remotely significant in Kobe's carreer. That fucking "Lebron is clutchier than injury-years Kobe"... Like, no shit?
"But I saw Kobe chuck a lot of airballs and come down on his left foot when he was really old and tired!!!! Plus-Minus vanilla-chocolate XAPMVORPMPHOMG agree with me." You just sound like a very young basketball fan, JJ.
Kobe was arguably still the best player in the world in 2012-13. He had a nice long career, with a lot of season and playoff mileage, and his #8 and #24 years are both separate HoF careers. Why must you always bring up this "coming down on left foot" thing? Literally no other perimeter player played as many years as well as Kobe. He is a stupid troll. What surprises me is that he is not a kid anymore, what a shame. He just idiotically repeats things that he reads and watches. Another guy destroyed him because of the analytics. He hid from the challenge when he got called out. And now he is back using XAPM and shit again. Remember, this is the same guy who boasted about watching the games in person. Shameless, I say, shameless. Den got milsap, who is roundly underrated. I'm not sure that it pushes em to top 10. This has been a crazy offseason. Like I said, I'm iffy on the last teams in my top 10. If memory serves correctly, Denver made a run in the second half of the season to barely miss the west playoffs. I'm guessing Utah and LAC slides back behind them. I'm thinking MEM slides back because their injury situation seem to keep getting worse every year. Then I'm thinking maybe DEN's young players improve more and the addition of Milsap give them a few more wins. I supposed TOR or WAS could be better but I don't know if I want 4 east teams in my top 10. On July 07 2017 23:54 ZenithM wrote:On July 07 2017 23:44 Twinkle Toes wrote:On July 07 2017 23:37 ZenithM wrote:
Haha are we now throwing ban bets to whomever we don't like in this thread?
I don't want to see you guys banned :O. Not even JJ and KW!
Btw, that Heat top 2 East bet is crazy... They only gained a .127 WS/48, 1.0 VORP, 0.50 RPM player. JJ isn't taking that bet. Unless he went to watch live Celtics games, in which case he would have insights we don't get with our puny League Pass. Hahaha. And he could ask for tips from his scout uncle. I hear Olynyk is adept at two foot landings too (which, granted, is easier if you never jump). This looks more and more promising by the minute. NBA should try to have an Olynyk vs Pachulia dunk contest. I really wonder about this too. How could some people play in the NBA and have neither skills nor athleticism. Tallness
I think one of the biggest advantages of the modern game is that it is decreasing the value of tall stiffs. At least Olynyk can hit 3s and Pachulia has decent passing. I remember tall stiffs in the 90s and they are not even coordinated, never mind being athletic.
On the subject of last second shots, I would rate Jordan low if you require a 3 to be hit. That's not his game at all and he was a mediocre to below average 3-pt shooter, with the exception of those years where the NBA experimented with the shorter line.
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1. Horry
2. Allen
3. Kobe
4. Jordan
5. Miller (because he looks weird lol)
But, if it not a 3 point shot that they have to make and just a regular game winner, I think the order changes a lot:
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3. Allen
4. Bob
5. Mr. Pun
I guess though, if its just a regular game winning shot, the choices would be different. So here is another list of I had to choose from anyone from the 90s until now
1. Jordan
2. Kobe
3, Durant
4. Allen
5. Nowitzki
Why no Lebron? I said it before and I'll say it again. Lebron is great, but he is not clutch. If you were a hater, you would even say that he actively avoids high pressure game winning shots or free throw situations. He defers to Irving, KLove, and Korver. I'm sure that if he were teammates with any of the above, he'd defer to all of them.
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Whoa, Morris (DET) for Bradley (BOS). I feel bad for Bradley. All those sick game winners mean nothing. Loyalty is overrated. That's why I really can't feel bad about Lebron and KD situation. You could only fault Lebron for making such a spectacle out of it, but it was the right decision.
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Just use the Marxist screeds you heard in your undergrad classes/
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Bahahaha, Lonzo Ball got 5 points, shooting 2-15 and 1-11 from 3.
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Updated OP with thread highlights
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i enjoy this thread the same reason i enjoy the ufc/mma thread
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I think Lonzo's 3pt shot is doomed. He has to be so far out there to compensate for his weird-ass release.
Edit: Hadn't watched the highlights, but Tatum looked awesome. Celtics might have made a great move with him.
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His rubbish shooting form and shitty driving abilities is basically gonna ruin him against any decent defender in the league. Dude shoots like a 10 year-old that doesn't have enough strength or height, how the hell is he a top-10 pick is beyond me.
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I watched some highlights from the game, and Lonzo just looked painfully slow in pretty much every regard -- his shot, his footwork on defense and offense, and his overall speed on the court. I'm not sure how he's going to adjust to the pace of the NBA game without some serious training and help on fundamentals.
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EPT
