EPTTatum of the Celtics looks the real deal. Smooth jumper and just looks like he belongs in the league. You can tell Kobe was his fav player. Also like the way he comes off in interviews. Damn you celtics.
NBA Offseason 2017 - Page 35
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Tatum of the Celtics looks the real deal. Smooth jumper and just looks like he belongs in the league. You can tell Kobe was his fav player. Also like the way he comes off in interviews. Damn you celtics. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On July 10 2017 01:08 MassHysteria wrote: Sean Marks doing work since taking over the Nets. They are making some great moves considering the kind of circumstances they are working with. They realize where they are relative to the rest of the league and have used that as an advantage. I don't think a salary dump trade like this really can look bad for the Raps either but it does seem like they gave up just a little too much. They of course went through all their options, I am sure, and decided this was the best way for them to get rid of salary. Let's see who they can get instead of Carroll now. edit: good visual and short-read on the PG and Butler trades http://fansided.com/2017/07/06/paul-george-jimmy-butler-price-small/ Looks like it's cj miles, good replacement for Carroll, though they are trading Joseph in the deal. http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2017/07/09/report-raptors-finalizing-sign-trade-c-j-miles/ Edit:Ujiri doing work too. Good Raps off-season. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
On July 10 2017 02:50 BlackJack wrote: Here's some entertainment - our MVP is 17/78 in his reg. season career for a whopping .218 FG%. How many of those shots should have gone to KD? More importantly, how many more games would the Thunder have won if they did go to KD? Is there any wonder why he peaced out? Actually if we take out WB's numbers from last season (since KD wasn't there anyway) then he's 9/51 as a Thunder with KD as a teammate. That's .176 FG%. That's pretty bad. Even for the games that KD was injured there had to have been a towel boy or a trainer or a mascot that could have subbed in and at least gotten 10 makes out of 51. Andre Roberson would find a way to shoot less than that. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
On July 10 2017 03:46 MassHysteria wrote: Looks like it's cj miles, good replacement for Carroll, though they are trading Joseph in the deal. http://www.raptorsrepublic.com/2017/07/09/report-raptors-finalizing-sign-trade-c-j-miles/ Edit:Ujiri doing work too. Good Raps off-season. i dont think this is a good off season for the raps at all. what makes u say that? i dont think the team has improved | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
But I get why they did it. It's not easy to build a perennial 50 win squad and if LeBron does go down they're a legit final chance. | ||
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Diabolique
Czech Republic5118 Posts
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Djagulingu
Germany3605 Posts
On July 10 2017 19:57 Diabolique wrote: Jayson Tatum looks very dangerous. I am not happy about that - Boston might get to the ECF again. Celtics scouts must be very proud of their work. They drafted a monster. | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On July 10 2017 13:45 zev318 wrote: i dont think this is a good off season for the raps at all. what makes u say that? i dont think the team has improved I don't think their team has necessarily improved either but they 'did work' working around the salary cap limits and how many free-agents they had to make decisions on. This was the cost of signing those 3 guys to their market-rates but they did a nice job working around the ramifications. EDIT: I still do think it was a little much for Ibaka and depending on what you think of Carroll, maybe a little too much in that trade. But it makes sense with Miles coming in and then dealing from a position they were deep at in PG. | ||
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andrewlt
United States7702 Posts
Nick Young is a luxury. What is the point of Swaggy if he's just going to launch open catch-and-shoot 3-pointers? Once every few games, he should pump fake, take one useless dribble inside the arc, and heave a dumbass fadeaway long 2-pointer. Every artist has to perform the old standards. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 11 2017 03:11 JimmiC wrote: I think the championship or bust thing is such a meme, its like fan's treating the pro-sports like Ricky Bobby treated Nascar. I think you rebuild basically when you have to, there is no reason to throw away a top 2-4 team in the east just because you don't think you can beat the warriors. What are we going to have 29 rebuilding teams? Lets not forget that most rebuilding teams fail, even with all the hype around the 76'rs how confident are you that they will stay healthy? And if they do who knows how good they will be. I for one would always want my team to go for it, but not all out sell off everything like the nets did. Just a balance of win now and later. Nothing is worse as fan than cheering for your team to lose. The season is a lot longer then the draft. Its not about "Championship or bust" its a question of what the team is. The Raptors are a 3-5 seed in the East, solely because the East is terrible. Even given that, they are at least 2 key injuries from being Eastern conference champions. That even overstates the quality of the team because they also would need 3+ injuries in the West (or 2 that happen in the Finals) to become NBA champions. They also have no room for improvement as they are capped out and have no obvious candidates for "making the leap". This means they are, just as much as a team that is tanking, giving up. Their fans know it, I know it, you know it. That can be contrasted with teams like the Rockets or Spurs they are 1 injury, maybe 2 from being Western Conference Champions, and also favorites for the title. That said, the Raptors plan isn't horrible because they have traded away draft picks so they cant really go young, and have an out in 3 years. The key is that they must be disciplined and not try to extend that 3 year "window" and also do everything to maximize the ability to go for a youth movement starting in year 3 or 4. | ||
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JimmiC
Canada22817 Posts
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Elroi
Sweden5617 Posts
On July 10 2017 19:57 Diabolique wrote: Jayson Tatum looks very dangerous. I am not happy about that - Boston might get to the ECF again. To me, a lot of what he does in summer league looks really hard to pull off against better offense though. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On July 11 2017 07:03 JimmiC wrote: Your whole key is point is exactly what they are doing, hence the length of the contracts they handed out. And for a team that has never made the finals and was awful for a long time there is nothing wrong with going for that. The thing is that I have no faith that the front office will be that disciplined. They traded a first this year for Ibaka, they sent out the 2018 picks for cap relief (Carroll's contact expires at a great time for the 3 year plan), then they stretched a 3 million dollar contract? | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On July 11 2017 07:35 Elroi wrote: To me, a lot of what he does in summer league looks really hard to pull off against better offense though. Honestly with this kind of postmoves and fadeaways it can go both ways. You can also argue that it will work no matter the defender. At least Tatum seems to have the physical tools to make it work at this level. He will certainly have to develop something else though, the modern NBA isn't really fond of these. The catch&shoot 3s and draw fouls on drives are eventually always more efficient. | ||
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RowdierBob
Australia13537 Posts
I'd be pretty disappointed if my team didn't have championship or bust aspirations. The Raptors will of course say they're in to win it, but are they really? It's plainly obvious this team has hit its ceiling so I think it's fair to ask what the point of the next three years is? Philly may find themselves in the same spot in a few years - a good but not good enough roster. But I would argue that franchise has a clear goal and direction at the moment. I'm not sure the Raptors do beyond milking a 50 wins team for a few more years before the inevitable happens. The cynic in me says they know they can't win it all, but winning enough is still good for business in a way rebuilding is not. | ||
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ZenithM
France15952 Posts
On July 11 2017 10:51 RowdierBob wrote: Well I guess I'll put it this way then. What is the point of this Raptors team? I'd be pretty disappointed if my team didn't have championship or bust aspirations. The Raptors will of course say they're in to win it, but are they really? It's plainly obvious this team has hit its ceiling so I think it's fair to ask what the point of the next three years is? Philly may find themselves in the same spot in a few years - a good but not good enough roster. But I would argue that franchise has a clear goal and direction at the moment. I'm not sure the Raptors do beyond milking a 50 wins team for a few more years before the inevitable happens. The cynic in me says they know they can't win it all, but winning enough is still good for business in a way rebuilding is not. I think it's a conundrum all East teams will find themselves facing. As Cuban said, some West teams would not be rebuilding if they were in the East. The best East teams have more or less an even record vs West, so you can't really say that a 50-win East team is good. So the problem is: East teams feel like they have to capitalize on being in the East, especially if they have some pieces, but they have no real chance at competing for anything other than a conference finals, let alone a championship. At least in the West it's more binary now. If you want to do well in the playoffs you basically have to be contending :D. Otherwise might as well tank. | ||
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