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On October 22 2015 22:42 Pandemona wrote:
It is when he had that squad for 4/5 seasons? and only had that feat once. I don't think he deserves to be in an elite club managing position. City are competing on all fronts in England and in Europe but the managers they choose do not let them go very far. Anyone who spends £100million for 3 seasons straight should have more than 1 league cup and 1 league title to his name and R016 max in champions league TT
Didnt really answer my question about his record pretty much being the same as Mou's at RM. I dont really care enough about Pelligreni to really comment on what his teams identity is or what it isnt. Its nothing really amazing anyway. But very few managers play with a style or an identity that is easy to spot anyway
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Norway28790 Posts
damnit
watching lazio-rosenborg, didn't catch the first 18 minutes but from what I've seen, Rosenborg has clearly looked like the better team, dominating possession, just had an amazingly close attempt. But then Lazio scored.
Oh I guess the commentator just mentioned that Lazio had two shots in the post, so I guess not as unfair as I thought it was xD
Oh and Lazio are only 10 players, that makes sense seeing how much possession Rosenborg has been having lol. I'm learning new things as I write this post!
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Norway28790 Posts
second hit in the post for rosenborg too fuckkk. Very entertaining game though!
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red card
1:0 Lazio
Red card 6th minute, goal 28th. Fun fact, apparently 3rd red card in Mauricios 9th appearance this season.
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Yes. Augsburg up 1-0 against AZ. They need to win to have a chance to stay in the competition.
I wonder if it'd good for them though, they might need all their strength to avoid relegation. Then again Augsburg under Weinzierl are known for horrible starts into the season, they might come out strong later on.
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 23 2015 01:57 Rebs wrote:Show nested quote +On October 22 2015 22:42 Pandemona wrote:
It is when he had that squad for 4/5 seasons? and only had that feat once. I don't think he deserves to be in an elite club managing position. City are competing on all fronts in England and in Europe but the managers they choose do not let them go very far. Anyone who spends £100million for 3 seasons straight should have more than 1 league cup and 1 league title to his name and R016 max in champions league TT Didnt really answer my question about his record pretty much being the same as Mou's at RM. I dont really care enough about Pelligreni to really comment on what his teams identity is or what it isnt. Its nothing really amazing anyway. But very few managers play with a style or an identity that is easy to spot anyway
How is his record close to Mourinhos at Real? He was one, there longer and two won 3 trophies vs 0 trophies. 1 season where he buys in Benzema Ronaldo Alonso and loses to Lyon in a champions league whilst still having players like Guti Raul in the squad seems pretty hard to do. Not saying that it would have been easy due to Barca back then were very very good but he should not of been losing to those teams. Just like he does now where he can beat Chelsea 3-0 at home very convincingly but then go get turned over by West Ham or Spurs 4-1. Anyway as usual we don't agree so i appreciate the input and i will refrain from abusing him as much 
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On October 23 2015 03:50 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 01:57 Rebs wrote:On October 22 2015 22:42 Pandemona wrote:
It is when he had that squad for 4/5 seasons? and only had that feat once. I don't think he deserves to be in an elite club managing position. City are competing on all fronts in England and in Europe but the managers they choose do not let them go very far. Anyone who spends £100million for 3 seasons straight should have more than 1 league cup and 1 league title to his name and R016 max in champions league TT Didnt really answer my question about his record pretty much being the same as Mou's at RM. I dont really care enough about Pelligreni to really comment on what his teams identity is or what it isnt. Its nothing really amazing anyway. But very few managers play with a style or an identity that is easy to spot anyway How is his record close to Mourinhos at Real? He was one, there longer and two won 3 trophies vs 0 trophies. 1 season where he buys in Benzema Ronaldo Alonso and loses to Lyon in a champions league whilst still having players like Guti Raul in the squad seems pretty hard to do. Not saying that it would have been easy due to Barca back then were very very good but he should not have been losing to those teams. Just like he does now where he can beat Chelsea 3-0 at home very convincingly but then go get turned over by West Ham or Spurs 4-1. Anyway as usual we don't agree so i appreciate the input and i will refrain from abusing him as much
I dislike native speaker English so much
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Norway28790 Posts
wtf is happening with molde
they're 7th in the norwegian league this season (which is pretty much over, realistically the best they can hope for is top 5)
but in group with fenerbache, ajax and celtic they somehow dominate? first beat fenerbache, then tied vs ajax, now 2-0 vs celtic after 20 minutes?
and rosenborg has 1 point after 3 matches vs st.etienne dnipro and lazio (granted, arguably a tougher group) but we're 19 points ahead of molde in the league!!
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On October 23 2015 04:29 Liquid`Drone wrote:
wtf is happening with molde
they're 7th in the norwegian league this season (which is pretty much over, realistically the best they can hope for is top 5)
but in group with fenerbache, ajax and celtic they somehow dominate? first beat fenerbache, then tied vs ajax, now 2-0 vs celtic after 20 minutes?
and rosenborg has 1 point after 3 matches vs st.etienne dnipro and lazio (granted, arguably a tougher group) but we're 19 points ahead of molde in the league!!
I don't know, just look at Sevilla, they are specialists in European competitions.Arguably dominated ManCity, too, and yet suck in La Liga.
Some teams relish special occasions, like Liverpool back in the days.
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Or it's just coincidence. On short term there's a shitload of luck involved in football. A mediocre side can suddenly play their best games coincidentally in Europe. While being in top form, they might be lucky here or there as well.
In a season-long league, the luck factor diminishes because of there being more games. In CL for example luck plays a bigger factor. In nation tournaments like the Eurocup or the World cup, luck is a very important factor. Denmark '92.. Greece '04.. South-Korea '02.. the list is long.
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On October 23 2015 05:01 Twisted wrote:
Or it's just coincidence. On short term there's a shitload of luck involved in football. A mediocre side can suddenly play their best games coincidentally in Europe. While being in top form, they might be lucky here or there as well.
In a season-long league, the luck factor diminishes because of there being more games. In CL for example luck plays a bigger factor. In nation tournaments like the Eurocup or the World cup, luck is a very important factor. Denmark '92.. Greece '04.. South-Korea '02.. the list is long.
You aren't serious about categorizing South Korea 2002 into luck I hope?
That had nothing to do with luck...
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Netherlands13554 Posts
Don't nitpick on a little thing in my post that had nothing to do with my general message just because you have a different definition of the word 'luck'. Luck is also favourable/biased/borderline bought referee decisions in my eyes.
This is a perfect example of you being annoying btw. Just so you know.
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Vatican City State1176 Posts
yeah with these referees there was definitely no luck involved in 2002...
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Greece 04 was no luck, just glorious headers from Charisteas!
Jokes aside, fenerbace Ajax is a pretty boring match so far
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Europa League Matchday 3![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/PnZ3CbP.png) ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/QoGyZ1L.png)
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On October 23 2015 03:50 Pandemona wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2015 01:57 Rebs wrote:On October 22 2015 22:42 Pandemona wrote:
It is when he had that squad for 4/5 seasons? and only had that feat once. I don't think he deserves to be in an elite club managing position. City are competing on all fronts in England and in Europe but the managers they choose do not let them go very far. Anyone who spends £100million for 3 seasons straight should have more than 1 league cup and 1 league title to his name and R016 max in champions league TT Didnt really answer my question about his record pretty much being the same as Mou's at RM. I dont really care enough about Pelligreni to really comment on what his teams identity is or what it isnt. Its nothing really amazing anyway. But very few managers play with a style or an identity that is easy to spot anyway How is his record close to Mourinhos at Real? He was one, there longer and two won 3 trophies vs 0 trophies. 1 season where he buys in Benzema Ronaldo Alonso and loses to Lyon in a champions league whilst still having players like Guti Raul in the squad seems pretty hard to do. Not saying that it would have been easy due to Barca back then were very very good but he should not of been losing to those teams. Just like he does now where he can beat Chelsea 3-0 at home very convincingly but then go get turned over by West Ham or Spurs 4-1. Anyway as usual we don't agree so i appreciate the input and i will refrain from abusing him as much
His record at City is the same as Mou's at Real ... facepalm..
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Norway28790 Posts
On October 23 2015 05:01 Twisted wrote:
Or it's just coincidence. On short term there's a shitload of luck involved in football. A mediocre side can suddenly play their best games coincidentally in Europe. While being in top form, they might be lucky here or there as well.
In a season-long league, the luck factor diminishes because of there being more games. In CL for example luck plays a bigger factor. In nation tournaments like the Eurocup or the World cup, luck is a very important factor. Denmark '92.. Greece '04.. South-Korea '02.. the list is long.
Yea I think this is how it actually is. But it still looks really weird. Molde has basically played their best 3 games of the season in the EL group stage, and in addition they were lucky against Ajax.
Like, Rosenborg having 1 point after 3 games, that's kinda how Norwegian teams are expected to perform in EL/CL group stages. I think if they just were more clinical and cynical (or lucky), it easily could have been 7 points instead. (Bit of luck and better finishing and we'd win the first two and draw vs Lazio).
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Of course there is lots of luck involved in football, but on the other hand there is lots of unseen complexity, too.
A team that has trouble breaking down defensively minded Norwegian opposition might still be a decent team that can compete with more offensively minded European middle class teams. Moreover, Molde has beaten Rosenborg 1:0 in their direct encounter after all.
Dortmund struggled in the Bundesliga at the beginning of last season but still qualified comfortably from their CL group, mainly because of the tactics used against them in the Bundesliga.
On the other hand, thrashing inferior teams in the league might not mean anything when encountering decent opposition in Europe.
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